Post Game Talk: #58|Feb. 18, 2012|Penguins at Flyers| (Part 2)

[JXC]

Originally Posted by BernieParent

As for the goals against Fleury, the first was a bit of a copy of Bryz's first goal, in that he may have been able to cover the short side better, but it was Jagr taking the shot and he had all the time in the world to release from just inside the circle.

He had no more time than Cooke did on his odd man break.

Originally Posted by BernieParent

The second goal was a sniper's goal

So was Cooke's first goal then.

Originally Posted by BernieParent

GOAL 1 (Bryz): Beaten blocker side on poor positioning; Bryz cheating towards other Penguin forward on a 2-on-1.

I honestly wonder if there's a clue for us here regarding Bryz's state of mind.

Originally Posted by BernieParent

The goal was all about poor rebound control, and Bob was in no position for a very good second shot at a bad angle by Neal.

Hard to fault Bob here - he stopped a 30 goal scorer point blank on yet another odd man rush, and then Neal's follow-up was top notch. I really didn't see any fault from Bob in those three goals.

[BernieParent]

Getting out the microscope and scalpel here:

Originally Posted by JXC

He had no more time than Cooke did on his odd man break.

I completely disagree. Cooke dribbled a bouncing puck from beyond centre ice, with Timonen draped over him. Bryzgalov could have followed him cross-crease better. Contrast to Fleury who watched Engelland suddenly give the puck up about 7' in front of him and Wellwood smack it by him.

Originally Posted by JXC

So was Cooke's first goal then.

Are you calling Cooke a sniper? Because that was my intent in attributing this to Jagr, who had multiple options and cagily was looking away from the net until he made the shot.

EDIT: I forgot that my original was in reference to Jagr's second goal. Look at the positioning, and the time that Jagr had to tuck it under the crossbar and pop the water bottle. Even less like Cooke's shot.

Originally Posted by JXC

I honestly wonder if there's a clue for us here regarding Bryz's state of mind.

I agree with what I think you're saying; as much as we opine that the team has little confidence in Bryz – trying to block every shot, overextending themselves in defensive zone, etc. – the same could be said about Bryz, who has faced more than his share of broken-play scoring opportunities, 2-on-1s and breakaways. This first goal wasn't a horrible one to give away, particularly in light of the Staal whiff.

Originally Posted by JXC

Hard to fault Bob here - he stopped a 30 goal scorer point blank on yet another odd man rush, and then Neal's follow-up was top notch. I really didn't see any fault from Bob in those three goals.

Again, this wasn't a facepalming goal to give up, but Bob could have been better in rebound control. However, it wasn't as bad as the first one off his logo.

[achdumeingute]

Bobs first goal...might as well have been playing "Yakety sax" on the PA. Bob had bad rebounds, team had multiple chances to clear for like 30 seconds before...just a total breakdown.

[JXC]

Originally Posted by BernieParent

Getting out the microscope and scalpel here:


I completely disagree. Cooke dribbled a bouncing puck from beyond centre ice, with Timonen draped over him. Bryzgalov could have followed him cross-crease better. Contrast to Fleury who watched Engelland suddenly give the puck up about 7' in front of him and Wellwood smack it by him.



Are you calling Cooke a sniper? Because that was my intent in attributing this to Jagr, who had multiple options and cagily was looking away from the net until he made the shot.

EDIT: I forgot that my original was in reference to Jagr's second goal. Look at the positioning, and the time that Jagr had to tuck it under the crossbar and pop the water bottle. Even less like Cooke's shot.



I agree with what I think you're saying; as much as we opine that the team has little confidence in Bryz – trying to block every shot, overextending themselves in defensive zone, etc. – the same could be said about Bryz, who has faced more than his share of broken-play scoring opportunities, 2-on-1s and breakaways. This first goal wasn't a horrible one to give away, particularly in light of the Staal whiff.


Again, this wasn't a facepalming goal to give up, but Bob could have been better in rebound control. However, it wasn't as bad as the first one off his logo.

Agreed on most of this. And this made me chuckle:

Are you calling Cooke a sniper?

Point taken!