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02-20-2012, 10:17 AM
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He'll be wearing #13.

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02-20-2012, 10:23 AM
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I got a kick out of this....it's easy to forget Walker...

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Pavel Kubina, who brings a solid, right-handed shot along with a physical presence, has 55 power play goals in his 14 seasons. Since Desjardins' departure, there hasn’t been a Flyer defenseman with a right-hand shot of consequence.

“Yeah, Eric Desjardins,” agreed general manager Paul Holmgren. “Probably [others] of no consequence because I can’t remember.”

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02-20-2012, 10:31 AM
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He'll be wearing #13.
I guess the Dan Carcillo era really is over.

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I got a kick out of this....it's easy to forget Walker...




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Speaking of numbers...isn't Grossman wearing Walker's #8?

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02-20-2012, 10:32 AM
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I guess the Dan Carcillo era really is over.



Speaking of numbers...isn't Grossman wearing Walker's #8?
I think so....

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02-20-2012, 10:40 AM
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He doesn't sound thrilled about the trade.
Like others have said he spent most of his career there and took a discount to resign with them. No surprise he's a little disappointed to leave, but he did have some good things to say...


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"He told me there was a great offer coming from Philadelphia and after that I thought about it: it's a great team, a mix of young players and stars and obviously players like [Flyers forward Jaromir] Jagr, and it's a very good team. I thought about it and talked to my family. I love playing hockey and it's another chance for me to go and play for a great team and a Stanley Cup contender and be in the playoffs again."
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02-20-2012, 11:44 AM
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RT @davegisaac: Kubina said he does not want to test free agency waters and would prefer to re-sign with Philly.

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Who are the last few Flyers to wear #13?

EDIT: Nevermind, i remembered it's all on flyershistory.com
Carcillo
Lapointe
Metropolit
Michayluk

There are all the previous 13's

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Who are the last few Flyers to wear #13?
There are four: Dave Michayluk, Claude Lapointe, Glen Metropolit and Carcillo.


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02-20-2012, 11:46 AM
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Who are the last few Flyers to wear #13?
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Dan Carcillo
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Dave Michayluk


More players have worn 4 and 7

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02-20-2012, 11:49 AM
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RT @davegisaac: Kubina said he does not want to test free agency waters and would prefer to re-sign with Philly.
If they can re-sign him for 2.5 million for 2 years, I'd probably do it. Then waive/demote Lilja and have Pavel playing on your bottom pairing.

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RT @davegisaac: Kubina said he does not want to test free agency waters and would prefer to re-sign with Philly.
Already? I want to see his speed 1st.

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02-20-2012, 12:13 PM
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If they can re-sign him for 2.5 million for 2 years, I'd probably do it. Then waive/demote Lilja and have Pavel playing on your bottom pairing.
Lilja is a 35+ contract so we don't see any savings (well, 100k of savings), for sending him down.

Edit: Also, Kubina himself will be a 35+ contract, so there is some risk there.

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Lilja is a 35+ contract so we don't see any savings (well, 100k of savings), for sending him down.

Edit: Also, Kubina himself will be a 35+ contract, so there is some risk there.
I'm kind of hoping they do away with the 35+ rule in the next CBA. Teams more hesitant to offer longer termed or higher salaried deals while teams can get screwed if they do (see Pronger, Chris). The teams and players are hurt by this rule. Surprised it ever made it in to begin with.

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I'm kind of hoping they do away with the 35+ rule in the next CBA. Teams more hesitant to offer longer termed or higher salaried deals while teams can get screwed if they do (see Pronger, Chris). The teams and players are hurt by this rule. Surprised it ever made it in to begin with.
But is the "Kovalchuk" rule clearly defined enough to prevent circumvention?

If you get rid of 35+ deals, teams can again begin to tack on "fake" years to reduce AAV. The point of 35+ is to say "if you're adding years, you better have every intention of playing them".

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02-20-2012, 12:36 PM
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So it does appear the Kovalchuk rule, inherently prevents circumvention by making the yearly salary the cap hit for any years at age 41 or older.

Here is the Kovalchuk rule:

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1. While players and clubs can continue to negotiate long-term contracts (five years or longer) that include contract years in a player's 40s, for purposes of salary-cap calculation the contract will effectively be cut off in the year of the contract in which the player turns 41.

This basically means that if a 33-year-old player signs an eight-year contract, the amount owed to him in the first seven years of the contract will be averaged for the purposes of salary-cap computation. Then, in Year 8 of the contract, the salary he will make for that particular season will determine his salary-cap hit for that season.

So, if Kovalchuk's contract applied to this rule, the average of what he's owed in the first 13 years would be applied to the Devils salary cap from 2010-2023 and the cap hit would be $7.15 million because he is reportedly due to make $93 million across that span. Then, per the reported terms, the cap hit would change to $3 million in 2023-24 (as Kovalchuk turns 41 in April of that season) and $4 million in 2024-25.

2. In any long-term contract that averages more than $5.75 million for the three highest-compensation seasons, the cap charge will be a minimum of $1 million for every season in which the player is 36-39 years of age. That $1 million value will then be used to determine the salary cap hit for the entire contract. If the contract takes the player into his 40s, the previous rule goes into effect.

For example, Savard's contract reportedly calls for him to make $525,000 per season in the final two years of his seven-year, $28 million deal. He will be 38 and 39 in those seasons. If his contract was subject to these new regulations, for purposes of calculating the salary cap the final two years on his deal will reflect as if he was making $1 million. That would make his reported $4 million cap hit go up to $4.14 million.

The club and player still can agree to a contract that pays a player less than $1 million when he is at those ages, but for salary-cap purposes the number applied to the team's annual average salary will be $1 million.

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But is the "Kovalchuk" rule clearly defined enough to prevent circumvention?

If you get rid of 35+ deals, teams can again begin to tack on "fake" years to reduce AAV. The point of 35+ is to say "if you're adding years, you better have every intention of playing them".
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So it does appear the Kovalchuk rule, inherently prevents circumvention by making the yearly salary the cap hit for any years at age 41 or older.

Here is the Kovalchuk rule:
Yeah that's why I think the 35+ rule should be kicked to the curb. Unless there is something I am missing, teams and players and alike are harmed by this rule and it should be a no-brainer to get rid of it.

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IF he wants to come back and we can sign him for cheap(er) this would be what I'd look for:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.850m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Tom Sestito ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Ryan Suter ($6.232m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Pavel Kubina ($2.500m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Nicklas Grossman ($2.000m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $67,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,966,767; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,333,233

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Yeah that's why I think the 35+ rule should be kicked to the curb. Unless there is something I am missing, teams and players and alike are harmed by this rule and it should be a no-brainer to get rid of it.
Definitely something to consider. I might say get rid of it, but tweak the Kovalchuk rule to start at age 37 or something, rather than 41?

The fact remains however, that as it currently stands...Lilja can't be stashed in the minors for cap savings, and Kubina would be a 35+ contract.

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Definitely something to consider. I might say get rid of it, but tweak the Kovalchuk rule to start at age 37 or something, rather than 41?
Yeah that works for me. Pretty solid compromise.

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The fact remains however, that as it currently stands...Lilja can't be stashed in the minors for cap savings, and Kubina would be a 35+ contract.
Yeah. Maybe try and get Kubina to agree to a one year or two year deal if 35+ stays in effect? If he really doesn't want to go to free agency, I would think he would be willing to take a shorter term or less money (or both).

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RT @davegisaac: Kubina said he does not want to test free agency waters and would prefer to re-sign with Philly.
Wow, he must've had a helluva time at the carnival yesterday.

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IF he wants to come back and we can sign him for cheap(er) this would be what I'd look for:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.850m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Tom Sestito ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Ryan Suter ($6.232m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Pavel Kubina ($2.500m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Nicklas Grossman ($2.000m)
Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.875m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $67,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,966,767; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,333,233
I think everyone of those guys would be looking for more money. I'd say it would cost 6.5 for Suter long term (6.232 is close though), Grossman around 3, Jake probably 3+ and Kubina I have no idea but I would assume at least what Grossman is getting.

If only they could get rid of Briere and his ridiculous contract

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Lilja isn't going anywhere people...sadly. Unless we get super lucky and somebody claims him or trades for him.

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Everyone keeps talking about "clearing the crease", yet all I read from Dallas and TB fans are that these guys really aren't crease clearers. I think people jump to conclusions based upon their size. There's a difference between using your body, and punishing people (ala Pronger). I don't expect either guy to "clear the crease". I do, however, expect them to tie up bodies.
I think it's a mix of them not really playing as physical as their size and strength might indicate they would, and fans still remembering the way defenders played in front of the crease pre-lockout. Today it's more important to not get locked up yourself as a d, back then you just cross checked the hell out of anyone foolish enough to try to sneak in front of the net.

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RT @davegisaac: Kubina said he does not want to test free agency waters and would prefer to re-sign with Philly.
I would be a bit hesitant to get another 35+ contract on the team. Hopefully he impresses so much that I'll change my mind, but I think we'd be better off looking elsewhere in the summer (even if we won't get Suter).

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I got a kick out of this....it's easy to forget Walker...




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Poor Walker, first his number's taken away from him and now his own GM calls him inconsequential. If I were him I think I would retire, or ask to have his contract terminated so he can find someone else who appreciates what he brings to a team. Have some pride Matt. Please?

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Today it's more important to not get locked up yourself as a d, back then you just cross checked the hell out of anyone foolish enough to try to sneak in front of the net.
Those were the days.

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I would be a bit hesitant to get another 35+ contract on the team.
Homer will offer him 6 years.

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