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Remember that one student who was supposed to go testify to Congress in favor of coverage for prescription contraceptives? Just yesterday Rush Limbaugh called her a **** and a prostitute. I can't wait for you to explain to me how Democrats made him say that.
Clearly what Rush said was taken out of context. Either that or he was making a joke, you know, like the time he used the word 'retarded' on air.
Given his history of attempting to legislate his morality, you'll have to excuse me if I don't buy what you're selling.
Let's go back and look at the tape to see who was suckered in.
When that came out, was it Democrats that went on and on speaking about the evils of contraceptives or was it Santorum?
Remember that one student who was supposed to go testify to Congress in favor of coverage for prescription contraceptives? Just yesterday Rush Limbaugh called her a **** and a prostitute. I can't wait for you to explain to me how Democrats made him say that.
Who was suckered in here? Was it people like me who pasted direct quotes from guys like Santorum? Or was it guys like Santorum who used the rope they were handed and fashioned it into a noose?
Yes, that is correct. It was kept up by the questioner at the debate, and Santorum answered it honestly. Soooo many real issues that needs to be asked of these candidates and we are subjected to idiotic contraception questions solely in an effort to deflect criticism of Obama, and change the narrative. I will agree with you that the Repubs handled it badly, as they usually do.
Please provide me with a real link, or transcript as to what Limbaugh said, and if he did say it, what was the real context behind it.
Since when does a guy like Santorum scare you. Obama dictating policies based on his ideology and value system doesn't seem to bother you in the least.
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Here you go Troy. Read the whole thing and be outraged. Horrible, horrible, Rush. Enjoy!
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"A Georgetown co-ed told Rep. Nancy Pelosi's hearing that the women in her law school program are having so much sex that they're going broke, so you and I should pay for their birth control. Speaking at a hearing held by Pelosi to tout Pres. Obama's mandate that virtually every health insurance plan cover the full cost of contraception and abortion-inducing products, Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke said that it's too expensive to have sex in law school without mandated insurance coverage. Apparently, four out of every ten co-eds are having so much sex that it's hard to make ends meet if they have to pay for their own contraception, Fluke's research shows
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"'Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school,' Fluke told the hearing. $3,000 for birth control in three years? That's a thousand dollars a year of sex -- and, she wants us to pay for it." All of this just since January 7th. Just since January 7th. You guys who are thinking you're not gonna go to college? Let me just say one thing to you: Georgetown. They're admitting before congressional committee that they're having so much sex they can't afford the birth control pills! That's all you gotta come up with. And all of this is the Republicans' fault. Sandra Fluke, one of the Butt Sisters, is being dragged out of law school by the hair. Wait 'til Rick Santorum hears about this. Wait 'til Gingrich hears about this! What do you think they'll do? They'll put a stop to this right away! They'll head over that university and they'll stop it!
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RUSH: What does it say about the college co-ed Sandra Fluke, who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex, what does that make her? It makes her a ****, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex. What does that make us? We're the pimps. (interruption) The johns? We would be the johns? No! We're not the johns. (interruption) Yeah, that's right. Pimp's not the right word. Okay, so she's not a ****. She's "round heeled." I take it back.
Yes, that is correct. It was kept up by the questioner at the debate, and Santorum answered it honestly. Soooo many real issues that needs to be asked of these candidates and we are subjected to idiotic contraception questions solely in an effort to deflect criticism of Obama, and change the narrative. I will agree with you that the Repubs handled it badly, as they usually do.
Please provide me with a real link, or transcript as to what Limbaugh said, and if he did say it, what was the real context behind it.
Since when does a guy like Santorum scare you. Obama dictating policies based on his ideology and value system doesn't seem to bother you in the least.
Remember that one student who was supposed to go testify to Congress in favor of coverage for prescription contraceptives? Just yesterday Rush Limbaugh called her a **** and a prostitute.
You don't get your advice on the ethics of birth control from an obese drug addict with multiple divorces?
Yes, that is correct. It was kept up by the questioner at the debate, and Santorum answered it honestly. Soooo many real issues that needs to be asked of these candidates and we are subjected to idiotic contraception questions solely in an effort to deflect criticism of Obama, and change the narrative. I will agree with you that the Repubs handled it badly, as they usually do.
Please provide me with a real link, or transcript as to what Limbaugh said, and if he did say it, what was the real context behind it.
Since when does a guy like Santorum scare you. Obama dictating policies based on his ideology and value system doesn't seem to bother you in the least.
Here you go Troy. Read the whole thing and be outraged. Horrible, horrible, Rush.
What ever happened to "If you want to play, you gotta pay?" Now, I guess it's "If you want to play, everyone else must play".
From your own transcript:
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RUSH: What does it say about the college co-ed Sandra Fluke, who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex, what does that make her? It makes her a ****, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex. What does that make us? We're the pimps. (interruption) The johns? We would be the johns? No! We're not the johns. (interruption) Yeah, that's right. Pimp's not the right word. Okay, so she's not a ****. She's "round heeled." I take it back.
Yes he is an awful man (Rush).
She wanted her health insurance to pay for contraceptives. Not the government, her insurance provider.
And by the way, if Rush said that about one of my daughters I would punch him in the mouth and I hope you would too. P.S. my daughters do use birth control.
Anyone else interested in what this waste of skin had to say, here you go. What an awful human being.
And yes El Fuego, if you defend this piece of garbage it makes you an awful human being too. He is indefensible.
Also, Fluke discussed how Birth Control prevents cysts in some women due to hormone control, OFC, Rush doesn't discuss that.
So what? Insurance companies cover birth control pills for medical reasons, and many cover them for contraception purposes.
Did anyone ask this student if Georgetown university provided health care insurance to it's students? Ohio State does, and it would be interesting to see if they do, does it cover contraception? Does she refuse to buy the insurance, and now wants everyone else to pay for her ability to have an active sex life?
She wanted her health insurance to pay for contraceptives. Not the government, her insurance provider.
And by the way, if Rush said that about one of my daughters I would punch him in the mouth and I hope you would too. P.S. my daughters do use birth control.
Anyone else interested in what this waste of skin had to say, here you go. What an awful human being.
And yes El Fuego, if you defend this piece of garbage it makes you an awful human being too. He is indefensible.
The context is that he is talking about the contraceptives being paid for by someone else. See this is about individual liberty. Everyone should be able to buy health care insurance that they need. If this co-ed wants contraception covered than she can buy a policy that covers it. Other people that don't need the coverage can buy whatever plan they want.
The whole point of Limbaughs rant is this co-eds sorry a$$ assertion that she needs someone else to pay for her contraception coverage. She needs it *FREE* meaning paid for by others because it is such a burden for her to pay for it herself, so that she can go out and have fun screwing whomever, whenever she wants.
So, come on government, order everyone else to pay for my fun, in a nut-shell.
So what? Insurance companies cover birth control pills for medical reasons, and many cover them for contraception purposes.
Did anyone ask this student if Georgetown university provided health care insurance to it's students? Ohio State does, and it would be interesting to see if they do, does it cover contraception? Does she refuse to buy the insurance, and now wants everyone else to pay for her ability to have an active sex life?
Georgetown doesn't cover birth control for any purposes, that was what this hearing was about. This is frustrating, because you go around arguing for specifics and "context" yet when you argue, you don't even consider the context.
If you are going to attack people for not putting things in context, you better put things in context.
Georgetown doesn't cover birth control for any purposes, that was what this hearing was about. This is frustrating, because you go around arguing for specifics and "context" yet when you argue, you don't even consider the context.
If you are going to attack people for not putting things in context, you better put things in context.
I disagree. I am perfectly in context. If she has student coverage, and contraception is covered than what is the problem? Does she not want to purchase the student coverage? Or is the coverage part of her massive out of control tuition?
Plus, if she can't afford contraception, she can have her lover use a condom. Everyone knows that those can be had for free.
I am done with this. Like I said, this is all about individual liberty, and government controlling all of our lives. No one anywhere is trying to deny women the right to use contraception. The disagreement comes in in the context of who pays for it. The left, however, is using this as a dishonest political talking point, and a meaningless distraction.
The government keeps mandating that more and more things be covered by insurance companies for everyone. One size fits all. All this does is drive up prices for everyone. This co-ed should not have to pay higher prices for my colonoscopies, just like I should not have to pay more for her contraception. Of course there is a difference in detecting colon cancer as opposed to being able to participate in an activity without worry. But I digress. All that happens is that we all pay higher prices for insurance. In the end, all of this is geared to drive the private insurance companies out of business, and move the country to a single-payer government run system.
In the end, all of this is geared to drive the private insurance companies out of business, and move the country to a single-payer government run system.
I disagree. I am perfectly in context. If she has student coverage, and contraception is covered than what is the problem? Does she not want to purchase the student coverage? Or is the coverage part of her massive out of control tuition?
Contraception is not covered by Georgetown though, that's the problem. You're making up your own context and your own facts.
Yes, that is correct. It was kept up by the questioner at the debate, and Santorum answered it honestly. Soooo many real issues that needs to be asked of these candidates and we are subjected to idiotic contraception questions solely in an effort to deflect criticism of Obama, and change the narrative. I will agree with you that the Repubs handled it badly, as they usually do.
How many of the things argued at these debates or in the political narrative really matter? Why are you so hung up on this one minor issue? Does it anger you because many Republicans take a stance that will cost them votes and are getting that stance pulled right into the spotlight?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Fire
Since when does a guy like Santorum scare you. Obama dictating policies based on his ideology and value system doesn't seem to bother you in the least.
Of course it bothers me. The only difference is Santorum's policies bother me more because I don't want the government digging into the personal lives of its citizens or getting in the way of the doctor patient relationship the way Santorum and his ilk want.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Fire
Here you go Troy. Read the whole thing and be outraged. Horrible, horrible, Rush. Enjoy!
Yeah, it was pretty horrible. Calling a young woman those names because he disagrees with her politically is so far over the line I'm amazed you're so eager to defend it.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Fire
The whole point of Limbaughs rant is this co-eds sorry a$$ assertion that she needs someone else to pay for her contraception coverage. She needs it *FREE* meaning paid for by others because it is such a burden for her to pay for it herself, so that she can go out and have fun screwing whomever, whenever she wants.
Women are prescribed birth control for many reasons not all of which have to do with sex. Stop parroting Rush and grow up.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Fire
So, come on government, order everyone else to pay for my fun, in a nut-shell.
Is that what she's asking for? Maybe you should take a look at her testimony. She's testifying in support of a rule that would require the student health insurance plan that she paid for to cover certain prescription medications, like it does for all other prescription medications.
That's great and all, but how is any of that rant a response to my post which you quoted? It is simply factual information borne out of the exit polls that Santorum performed worse with voters who self-identify as Catholic than he did with the population on average. Nothing you said really debunked my hypothesized interpretation of why, either. Do you actually disagree with the claim that insulting JFK probably hurt Santorum with Catholic voters, or with the claim that Catholic voters do not care as much about this issue as Rick Santorum and the religious right think they do?
How many of the things argued at these debates or in the political narrative really matter? Why are you so hung up on this one minor issue? Does it anger you because many Republicans take a stance that will cost them votes and are getting that stance pulled right into the spotlight?
Of course it bothers me. The only difference is Santorum's policies bother me more because I don't want the government digging into the personal lives of its citizens or getting in the way of the doctor patient relationship the way Santorum and his ilk want.
Yeah, it was pretty horrible. Calling a young woman those names because he disagrees with her politically is so far over the line I'm amazed you're so eager to defend it.
Women are prescribed birth control for many reasons not all of which have to do with sex. Stop parroting Rush and grow up.
Is that what she's asking for? Maybe you should take a look at her testimony. She's testifying in support of a rule that would require the student health insurance plan that she paid for to cover certain prescription medications, like it does for all other prescription medications.
Santorum's policies getting in the way of the Doctor / Patient relationship? Good God man, what the **** do you think Obamacare does.
She wants her student health care to cover it? Do you and everyone else realize that she is at a Catholic school? And yes, I forgot that myself.
If it is so important for her to get contraception as part of her student health care coverage, why did she go to Georgetown?
I find this quite interesting. She chose to go there knowing full well that contraception would not be covered, and now she goes before democrats crying about it?
Sorry, she has lost all credibility now. This is right out of the Democrat play-book. Trot some "victim" up there and tug at all of our heart strings. I call Bull ****.
Here you go Troy. Get this to that poor girl at Georgetown. She is really getting ripped off at $1,000 a year for her contraception.
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Attention women who like the idea of $9 birth control: Target has announced that they will be matching Walmart's program. Target will also be matching the additions to the $4 generic program.
Here's the bad news, those of you who reside in states that prohibit stores from selling prescription drugs as loss leaders are not getting the $9 birth control:
Laws in Minnesota, Wisconsin and seven other states prevent pharmacies from selling drugs below their true cost. As a result, Wal-Mart will charge more to consumers here for nine of the 24 drugs being added to its generic discount program.
In the case of a generic birth control pill called Tri-Sprintec, two Wal-Mart pharmacies in the Twin Cities on Friday were selling a one-month supply for $26.88.
Let's see, even at $26.88 that is only $322.56 a year.
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To begin with, there is no crisis of access to affordable contraceptives. One pharmacist told me that birth control pills can run between $20 a month for the generic versions to $100 for some of the newest pills that try to reduce the estrogen content—and that’s before insurance. Depending on the insurance coverage, the co-pay could be as low as $10. And Walmart offers two birth control pills for $9 a month regardless of health coverage
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But if insurance must pay for all contraceptives with no co-pay, why not choose the $100 option over a $9 pill, even if there is no medical need for the patient to have the newer product? And why even mess with over-the-counter spermicides? The irony here is that liberals have for years tried to push patients toward cheaper generic rather than brand name drugs. But they have just rammed through another regulation that will have the exact opposite effect.
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To be clear, I am not questioning women’s need for safe, effective and affordable contraception, but those are available now. The Obama administration has imposed numerous mandates requiring health insurers to cover certain procedures and populations, always under the justification that they will lower health care costs. Only a fool or an economic imbecile would think you can add a plethora of new regulations and services, with no co-pay, and premiums won’t rise.
What we really need is birth control for new government interference and regulations. If we had a pill for that, even with no co-pay, the country would save a lot of money.
Santorum's policies getting in the way of the Doctor / Patient relationship? Good God man, what the **** do you think Obamacare does.
She wants her student health care to cover it? Do you and everyone else realize that she is at a Catholic school? And yes, I forgot that myself.
If it is so important for her to get contraception as part of her student health care coverage, why did she go to Georgetown?
I find this quite interesting. She chose to go there knowing full well that contraception would not be covered, and now she goes before democrats crying about it?
Sorry, she has lost all credibility now. This is right out of the Democrat play-book. Trot some "victim" up there and tug at all of our heart strings. I call Bull ****.
Say what? "Obamacare tm GOP Talking Points 2009" is all about insurance. Nothing at all to do with Doctor/Patient.
Left Freaks Out Over My Fluke Remarks
March 01, 2012
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RUSH: Oh, yeah, I'm gonna deal with this. I'm gonna deal with it. I think this is hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. The left has been thrown into an outright conniption fit! This is "phony soldiers" times ten. Oh, ten times worse than phony soldiers. The reaction that they are having to what I said yesterday about Susan Fluke -- or Sandra Fluke, whatever her name is -- the Georgetown student who went before a congressional committee and said she's having so much sex, she going broke buying contraceptives and wants us to buy them. I said, "Well, what would you call someone who wants us to pay for her to have sex? What would you call that woman? You'd call 'em a ****, a prostitute or whatever."
The headline: "Sex-Crazed Co-Eds Going Broke Buying Birth Control, Student Tells Pelosi Hearing Touting Freebie Mandate -- A Georgetown co-ed told Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s hearing that the women in her law school program are having so much sex that they’re going broke, so you and I should pay for their birth control." Cybercast News Service. So what would you call that? So I called it what it is. And, bam! Boy, you nail these people with the truth. So I'm offering a compromise today. I will buy all of the women at Georgetown University as much aspirin to put between their knees as they want. Well, here's the thing about that. Where are all these guys?
Well, two women... I have to ask sex expert with Snerdley on this, but I'm not aware that two women without another device can get pregnant on their own using naturally endowed accoutrements. I don't think times have changed that much. (chuckles)
Now, I am 61. Maybe something I haven't heard about that two women together would need contraception. That's a whole new ball game if that's the case.
Going to continue defending this piece of garbage El Fuego? This has nothing to do with left or right. This "man" is a despicable, nasty, rude, insulting, loud mouthed bully. He is worthy of nothing but scorn.
Santorum's policies getting in the way of the Doctor / Patient relationship?
You bet. Look how our own state wants to force doctors to cram ultrasounds into women's vaginas. Whether the doctor or patient wants it, guys who are like minded with Santorum want the state to force that procedure and that cost on women.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Fire
Good God man, what the **** do you think Obamacare does.
How so? How does Obamacare get between the decisions of doctors and patients?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Fire
I find this quite interesting. She chose to go there knowing full well that contraception would not be covered, and now she goes before democrats crying about it?
She chose to go there and doesn't like a policy they have, so she speaks her mind about that policy. Why are you freaking out about that?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Fire
This is right out of the Democrat play-book. Trot some "victim" up there and tug at all of our heart strings. I call Bull ****.
And calling a bunch of priests to testify and cry about their faith and how they were victims was what?
How so? How does Obamacare get between the decisions of doctors and patients?
It gets between the decisions of private insurance companies and and patients. And that level of government interference in the name "ensuring people aren't screwed" is just plain unacceptable. These are CORPORATIONS we're talking about. They're, like, just one step below Jesus on the divinity scale.
Conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh, already under fire from Democrats over his language in discussing a Georgetown University law student who testified about contraception, ratcheted up his rhetoric on Thursday, saying the student should post an online sex video if taxpayers are forced to pay for contraception.
Limbaugh on Wednesday had referred to student Sandra Fluke as a “****” for supporting a requirement that health insurance cover contraception. On his radio show Thursday, Limbaugh went a little further:
"So Miss Fluke, and the rest of you Feminazis, here's the deal. If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex. We want something for it. We want you post the videos online so we can all watch."
The problem I have with the whole scenario is that her sexual habits are not a medical condition. She can choose to have sex or not. If I want to go to a casino for fun, I pay for it. I don't make someone else pay for my choice to have fun. If she wants to be having sex for fun, she should pay for it.
The problem I have with the whole scenario is that her sexual habits are not a medical condition. She can choose to have sex or not. If I want to go to a casino for fun, I pay for it. I don't make someone else pay for my choice to have fun. If she wants to be having sex for fun, she should pay for it.
What makes you think she's on birth control only because of sex? It's like you guys have never talked to a woman before.
And of course Rush, being Rush just can't apologize, or at least shut up. No, he has to up the vitriol even further.
Going to continue defending this piece of garbage El Fuego? This has nothing to do with left or right. This "man" is a despicable, nasty, rude, insulting, loud mouthed bully. He is worthy of nothing but scorn.
He is the de facto leader of the base of the Republican Party. He isn't just mouthing off or manufacturing controversy.
He is representing.
Edit: be nice to see Miss Fluke launch a massive lawsuit for slander against this fat blowhard.
And be interesting to see if his stations back him
