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02-19-2012, 01:41 AM
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Also after watching the Nucks-Leafs game today I was impressed with the speed of TO's forwards. Their D is very slow though and I think Ballard would be a good fit for them

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02-19-2012, 01:54 AM
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Why do Leaf fans continue to pretend he's valuable? Canucks will not trade Schneider for a 1 dimensional scrub.
Thats as stupid as asking why 'nucks fans think a backup goalie is going to get Schenn.

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02-19-2012, 01:54 AM
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Why do Leaf fans continue to pretend he's valuable? Canucks will not trade Schneider for a 1 dimensional scrub.
Awh man I missed the part where if a defensive dman isn't a game-breaking talent by the time he's 22, he's a total scrub bust with no value. I really need to keep more up-to-date with these things.

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02-19-2012, 01:56 AM
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Thats as stupid as asking why 'nucks fans think a backup goalie is going to get Schenn.
LOL



I don't think there's anyone in the league who doesn't think Schneider will make a very good number 1 goalie.

Maybe he can be the top 10 goalie Leafs fans were calling Reimer after his nice second half last year.

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Schneider is going to be the best goalie in the league in a few years. Only player on the leafs worth Schneider is Kessel and that would be a 1 for 1 trade.
hahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahah, Thats it i give up, the world is going to end! I am just going to put a white flag up for all human kind!

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I don't think there's anyone in the league who doesn't think Schneider will make a very good number 1 goalie.
Appeal to the masses.

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Maybe he can be the top 10 goalie Leafs fans were calling Reimer after his nice second half last year.
Appeal to hypocrisy.

Two fallacies for the price of one, ladies and gentlemen.

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02-19-2012, 02:03 AM
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I don't think there's anyone in the league who doesn't think Schneider will make a very good number 1 goalie.

Maybe he can be the top 10 goalie Leafs fans were calling Reimer after his nice second half last year.
Hes decent, nothing special. I think its more of him being behind the Canucks that inflate his stats, but nuck fans talk like he's going to get some huge return which he won't.
top 10 goalie? lol you're kidding me right?

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02-19-2012, 02:04 AM
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Thats as stupid as asking why 'nucks fans think a backup goalie is going to get Schenn.
Not really, Schenn has been a healthy scratch recently he's playing so poorly. I think people have this perception because he was drafted #4 overall he will have a career path of gradually getting better every year until he is a top pairing dman.

I don't see him like that. I see a guy who was drafted high because of size and physicality. Players who mature physically at 18 years of age should have a red flag attached to them. Part of the reason he was drafted so high was because he was nhl ready. I think his potential is very limited and he's a dime a dozen player at this point.

I wasn't trying to troll, I'm just sick of people overrating Schenn. Canucks want no part of a Schenn for Schneider trade when there are better deals out there.

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Hes decent, nothing special. I think its more of him being behind the Canucks that inflate his stats, but nuck fans talk like he's going to get some huge return which he won't.
top 10 goalie? lol you're kidding me right?
There are plenty of instances where he has been hung out to dry this season by the Canucks D. The team defense has been atrocious at times this year. Trust me when I say it has been nowhere near as good as last year. Luongo and Schneider have been bailing the Canucks out for the past 1.5 months because of their stupid lazy play. This 6-2 win is only the 2nd game in that time they have won a game by more than 1 goal (correct me if im wrong). Schneider is one of the most sound and composed goalies in the league right now. He will be a top 10 goalie if given a chance to start somewhere else.


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02-19-2012, 02:06 AM
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Schneider for Franson and Kulemin.

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02-19-2012, 02:13 AM
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Schneider for Franson and Kulemin.
Leafs wouldn't do it and we have enough forwards as it is. I wouldn't mind Franson, who could spend a season in the minors hopefully to be groomed into a Salo replacement. Not nearly as versatile but the kid does possess a shot. Schenn is who I want if we deal Schneider though.

Bieska - Hamhuis
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Schenn - Ballard
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I'm good with that but I doubt Leaf fans or Burke are quite ready to give up on both their goaltenders and Schenn.

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02-19-2012, 02:16 AM
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Leafs wouldn't do it and we have enough forwards as it is. I wouldn't mind Franson, who could spend a season in the minors hopefully to be groomed into a Salo replacement. Not nearly as versatile but the kid does possess a shot. Schenn is who I want if we deal Schneider though.

Bieska - Hamhuis
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Schenn - Ballard
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I'm good with that but I doubt Leaf fans or Burke are quite ready to give up on both their goaltenders and Schenn.
To be fair everyone seems to overrate Schenn. How is it a good idea to trade Schneider for a 3rd pairing dman?

I demand to know why people value him so highly (besides being a high pick AKA Jack Johnson Syndrome)

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Hes decent, nothing special. I think its more of him being behind the Canucks that inflate his stats, but nuck fans talk like he's going to get some huge return which he won't.
top 10 goalie? lol you're kidding me right?
Schneider has flat out stolen games the Canucks had no business winning. He has the calmness, technical skills, and attitude to succeed as a starter. He is so mature and has been properly developed with patience and care.

Whoever gets him will be very lucky.

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02-19-2012, 02:33 AM
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I think Leaf fans need to get a grip on Schenn's potential. He's not the defensive stud you guys thought you were getting when you drafted him (thanks a lot Pierre).

BB and Nonis would be crazy not to trade Schenn for Schneider. And GMMG would be crazy to do that trade.

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To be fair everyone seems to overrate Schenn. How is it a good idea to trade Schneider for a 3rd pairing dman?

I demand to know why people value him so highly (besides being a high pick AKA Jack Johnson Syndrome)
I do not believe he is a third pairing for his career. He just needs time to develop and in Vancouver the spotlight is removed because our expectations are significantly less of him as an individual than what Toronto is demanding. Salo is going to retire sooner rather than later and Schenn could very well develop into a top four defenseman.

As for moving Schneider, this is a pretty reasonable trade mate and frankly, you are partly overvaluing Schneider to think otherwise. While he is certainly the most valuable goaltender available, the market is saturated and few teams actually need a goaltender. Our forward depth is ridiculous, so we might as well shore up defense.

I suppose it comes to our opinions of what Schenn could do in a new organization. Granted, I also think firing Ron Wilson might do wonders for a lot of players in Toronto.

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02-19-2012, 02:41 AM
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If Schenn was making south of $1mil he would have value. Considering he's making close to Keith Ballard money and is an inferior player, his value is nowhere near Schneider's. Schenn's value is closer to Ballard's than it is Schneider's with that cap hit and poor play.

Between Vancouver and Toronto it's been over a decade since Brian Burke has been able to solidify the goaltending position for his club. Mike Gillis is having too much fun watching Burke fail to address the most important aspect of a team to give them Schneider.

"Vancouver is a goalie graveyard"! No Burke, you're a goalie graveyard. Vancouver has an exceptional starting goaltender, a budding star in the backup role and a couple of phenomenal prospects in Lack and Cannata.

Sorry Burke, you're gonna' have to sell Leaf fans on the next project keeper.

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02-19-2012, 03:22 AM
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If Schenn was making south of $1mil he would have value. Considering he's making close to Keith Ballard money and is an inferior player, his value is nowhere near Schneider's. Schenn's value is closer to Ballard's than it is Schneider's with that cap hit and poor play.

Between Vancouver and Toronto it's been over a decade since Brian Burke has been able to solidify the goaltending position for his club. Mike Gillis is having too much fun watching Burke fail to address the most important aspect of a team to give them Schneider.

"Vancouver is a goalie graveyard"! No Burke, you're a goalie graveyard. Vancouver has an exceptional starting goaltender, a budding star in the backup role and a couple of phenomenal prospects in Lack and Cannata.

Sorry Burke, you're gonna' have to sell Leaf fans on the next project keeper.
I remember the days when Burke would trade for a goalie and talk him up as the next best thing(Weekes) or in Potvins case a #1 lol and then the goalie fails and then the process repeats it self.

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02-19-2012, 01:11 PM
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Wait, when was Schenn in the proposal? That's why I threw in Gunnarsson, who is 1) better than Schenn, and 2) Makes 2.3 million less per season.

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02-19-2012, 01:34 PM
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No from both teams. Schneider stays unless he's moved for someone who'll be in Vancouver's top 4 for a long time. Toronto has no reason to downgrade in a Ballard for Gunnarsson swap... and add Kulemin for some reason?

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After watching last nights game where at time the Canucks toyed with the Leafs, the question is why would Vancouver want to do any trade with Toronto ?

The Leafs look to be a very marginal playoff team, if they are lucky. The Canucks are very deep and look poised for another cup run.


Where is Burke and his bombast now ?

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The Canucks aren't going to take spare parts from the Leafs for Cory Schneider. Not a chance.

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Funny how so many feel that Schenn is overrated garbage, yet (Insert player here) will never be moved unless he goes the other way.

I'm absolutely positive that another team will give Vancouver their top asking price for an unproven backup, but it won't be Toronto.

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Schneider for Schenn

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Rather keep Schenn then trade him for a back up goalie who will get slaughtered by our defence.

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Schneider is going to be the best goalie in the league in a few years. Only player on the leafs worth Schneider is Kessel and that would be a 1 for 1 trade.


Not sure if serious.

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Appeal to the masses.



Appeal to hypocrisy.

Two fallacies for the price of one, ladies and gentlemen.
Look at this guy. He took introduction to English at a community college. Bow down.

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