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02-19-2012, 12:56 PM
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Gillis would trade him in a second and already has "dangled" him this season to see if any team was dumb enough to want him. None was.
lol no he didn't.

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So, Mike Gillis wasn’t happy with an editorial published in the Province on Friday, suggesting the Canucks should trade Roberto Luongo for Vincent Lecavalier. Gillis was so unhappy that he decided to unexpectedly call the Team 1040 to voice his concerns (well, particularly with the fact that the editorial had no byline).
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Luongo for Kane only.Lu would waive his NTC for Chicago,Kane fits perfectly with Kesler.Not gonna happen but looks nice on paper.

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Gillis would trade him in a second and already has "dangled" him this season to see if any team was dumb enough to want him. None was.
Doesn't suprise me that you actually believe that.

Luongo is not going anywhere and he sure as hell would NOT waive his NTC to go to Columbus.

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You completely overlooked my point... Overall, sure Kesler > Carter, however carter has a higher potential and is the better offensive player and goal scorer, Kesler is the better defensive player, Kesler would fit the 3rd line better than carter would, much like staal does in a shut down role for Pittsburg.
I'd love to know how you think Carter has higher potential.

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02-19-2012, 01:00 PM
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The Canucks could package Schnieder, along with a bad contract or an underachiever like Manny Malhotra, to the Jackets or any goalie-needy team any time they wanted and land immediate help for a cup run this year or next.

They won't, because they have no faith in Luongo in the playoffs, and the players have no confidence in him either. This is also why Luongo doesn't have any more trade value than Bryzgalov.

A young, rebuilding team has no need for a 33 year old goalie signed long-term, and a team ready to contend now has no need for a goalie that cannot perform under pressure.
Have you actually watched the Canucks play since the New Year? He's been the Canucks best player for the last 2 months. Without Luongo, the Canucks would be barely a .500 team since then.

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02-19-2012, 01:00 PM
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Luongo says no.

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02-19-2012, 01:01 PM
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No matter how good a trade this is for the two teams (and its value is dubious to both) what makes this trade a non-starter is Luongo has a no-trade clause and certainly won't move it to be traded from a contender to the worst team in the league.
True but how would he react to being backup to Schneider .
That may change his mind.
If i'm the Nucks i trade Luongo for Nash straight up instead of Carter.

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02-19-2012, 01:07 PM
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Luongo is worth more than Carter.

Luongo would be crazy to waive his NTC for Columbus

Luongo gets the short end of the media stick, while other goalies lose games, Lu does it in style, he still went to game 7 of the SCF and stole a number of games for us, games we wouldn't of won otherwise but in the end, it was his fault because his piece of the pie is the most important.

Sometimes the other Vancouver fans embarrass me, they jump on this bandwagon or that, they show just how little they actually know about anything and I'm very glad GMMG doesn't care what the fans or retarded Vancouver media think.

In spite of the horror show that the Vancouver area media/fans put/puts Luongo through, he still wants to play for this team and I'm shocked because there aren't many other players out there who would be able to over look the truly disgusting remarks and attitude towards him.

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Nope, Luongo isn't going to be moved for Nash or Carter straight up. There is zero chance.

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After Lu wins the cup I want him to sit next to it and give the finger to all of the surrounding media.

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Montreal won't get Carter. We dont have any assets that we want to give up for him. we're in an official rebuild mode, unless they want a heavy contract return like Gomez, Gio, Kaberle, etc.

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02-19-2012, 01:26 PM
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The Canucks could package Schnieder, along with a bad contract or an underachiever like Manny Malhotra, to the Jackets or any goalie-needy team any time they wanted and land immediate help for a cup run this year or next.

They won't, because they have no faith in Luongo in the playoffs, and the players have no confidence in him either. This is also why Luongo doesn't have any more trade value than Bryzgalov.

A young, rebuilding team has no need for a 33 year old goalie signed long-term, and a team ready to contend now has no need for a goalie that cannot perform under pressure.
When you have a team built on depth, it would be disheartening for your number 1 goalie to get injured and you would then have to rely on your back up. But when your back up is Cory Schneider that worry isn't as significant. Basically the Canucks have two 1a goalies (at least thats what they feel) and are in a fortunate situation. The management feels they have enough depth on the forward and defensive lines to make a push for the cup, as the team is basically the same team that made it to game seven of the Stanley Cup playoffs, but if one player gets injured and that one player happens to be Luongo, then they can kiss their chances goodbye if Schneider is traded before the trade deadline.

Of course Schneider is being held on to in case Luongo does have trouble against a particular team or series but the fact that Lu has taken the Canucks to the finals already should be enough to warrant any trust from any team in the league. Also, I think Lu getting injured is as big a reason to keep Schneider.

If the Canucks had won game 7 in the finals Luongo would have most likely won the Conn Smythe as he was terrific in some of the most important games in the playoffs. Instead, because the teams defense and offense was injured and mangled, posters like you, who have no idea what they're talking about, claim Luongo is untradeable.

You can also argue that if Schneider is kept, that his value will increase immensely once he gets a couple starts in the playoffs. And I don't doubt AV putting Schneider out there just to give the other team something else to worry about. Not only will it motivate Luongo to be better the next game but it will affect the minds of the shooters on the opposing team.

Columbus wishes they could snag Luongo from the Canucks for the underachieving Carter. Luongo is on a cap friendly salary and will be competitive for many years. Hes been terrific playing on a team thats system is offensive based and rarely traps. Hes not playing on a defensive system, like St Louis, Boston, New York, yet, hes top 5 almost every year in goalies. Fact is, Carter doesn't want to be in Columbus, and neither does Luongo.

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I'd love to know how you think Carter has higher potential.
Well carter is obviously the better offensive talent and he has had the best season of either player.... Below are each players best years

Kesler. GP. G. A. P. +\-
2009-2010 82 25 50 75 1

Career numbers 328 points in 537 games: .61 PPG

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2008-2009 * * 82 46 38 84 23

Career numbers 364 points in 498 games: .73 PPG

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Have you actually watched the Canucks play since the New Year? He's been the Canucks best player for the last 2 months. Without Luongo, the Canucks would be barely a .500 team since then.
Unless I am mistaken, these last 2 months were the regular season.

Blackhawks/Bruins series were the playoffs last year. He is an elite regular season goalie.

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Montreal won't get Carter. We dont have any assets that we want to give up for him. we're in an official rebuild mode, unless they want a heavy contract return like Gomez, Gio, Kaberle, etc.
Carter for PK Subban and Scott Gomez

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02-19-2012, 01:42 PM
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Well carter is obviously the better offensive talent and he has had the best season of either player.... Below are each players best years

Kesler. GP. G. A. P. +\-
2009-2010 82 25 50 75 1

Career numbers 328 points in 537 games: .61 PPG

Carter.*
2008-2009 * * 82 46 38 84 23

Career numbers 364 points in 498 games: .73 PPG
Since Kesler has played in the top 6 he has out scored Carter every season, the last 2 season and this one as well....

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Columbus wishes they could snag Luongo from the Canucks for the underachieving Carter. Luongo is on a cap friendly salary and will be competitive for many years. Hes been terrific playing on a team thats system is offensive based and rarely traps. Hes not playing on a defensive system, like St Louis, Boston, New York, yet, hes top 5 almost every year in goalies. Fact is, Carter doesn't want to be in Columbus, and neither does Luongo.
The idea that Columbus would want Luongo is insane. Even if he continues to play at an elite level the next 3 years, the Jackets won't have the offense or defense to give him any help. They need a guy who can be their long term solution and be elite when the Jackets young guys (Moore, Johan, whoever they draft and get back for Nash) are fully developed.

Yes, Carter doesn't want to be in Columbus and players won't waive to come here. But where were all the Luongo apologists during the playoffs last year or early in the season when he was getting booed at home? You will praise him now, but you will turn on Luongo in a second.

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lol no he didn't.



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Since Kesler has played in the top 6 he has out scored Carter every season, the last 2 season and this one as well....
So it's your opinion that Kesler is better offensively than Jeff carter?

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The idea that Columbus would want Luongo is insane. Even if he continues to play at an elite level the next 3 years, the Jackets won't have the offense or defense to give him any help. They need a guy who can be their long term solution and be elite when the Jackets young guys (Moore, Johan, whoever they draft and get back for Nash) are fully developed.

Yes, Carter doesn't want to be in Columbus and players won't waive to come here. But where were all the Luongo apologists during the playoffs last year or early in the season when he was getting booed at home? You will praise him now, but you will turn on Luongo in a second.
I'll repeat again, if Howson could flip Carter for Luongo, he does it in a second. Columbus is 3 years away from their mini-rebuild and by then Luongo will still be a great goalie with many years left to spare. He's not only big, but he plays well positionally and I don't see age deteriorating him like many other goalies who are smaller and rely on reflexes. But this is a moot point anyway since Luongo will not waive his NTC to go to Columbus.

I love it. You have no idea about how a big market like Vancouver operates. They expect a lot out of their players and want them to win every game. There are Vancouver fans that hate the Sedins and think they are underachievers. There are fans that want to trade the likes of Edler, Kesler, Bieksa, Hodgson, Raymond and Hansen away because they feel these players haven't returned on their potential. This is the way of the Vancouver fan. They are impatient and follow the immature media that runs this city. This has no bearing on the value of any of these players. What these players bring to the team is significantly different from what Vancouver fans value them.

By the way, I don't see Gillis trading Schneider away for Carter either.

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Gillis would trade him in a second and already has "dangled" him this season to see if any team was dumb enough to want him. None was.
Those rumors were made up by Garrioch and other media outlets... and weren't true at all.

We'll keep Luongo, CBJ can keep Carter... deal?

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Blackhawks/Bruins series were the playoffs last year. He is an elite regular season goalie.
You mean the Blackhawks where he stopped 31 of 32 shots in game 7 to help his team win in overtime?...clearly can't handle pressure.

In Boston, his team scored 8 goals in a 7 game series and still won 3 games. It's remarkable that they even got that close given the injuries they had. He stole 3 games and his injury riddled team couldn't help him out to get one where he wasn't all world.

The guy gets so much flak its rediculous.

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So it's your opinion that Kesler is better offensively than Jeff carter?
He has been going on for 3 years now...

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Gillis would trade him in a second and already has "dangled" him this season to see if any team was dumb enough to want him. None was.
What? At least those that have called you out have a twitter post or a blog they can lean on.

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If they had any confidence in Luongo, they'd have dealt Schenider by now. You could easily get Carter in a deal for him and maybe even dump a bad contract.

Why would you ever take any GM's public word as truth, from any team in any sport?
Or we keep both as insurance, as you seem to think Luongo is prone to lapses for some reason. As a back up making 900k as a cap hit, there is no goalie better, equal, or slightly worse making anything close to Schneider. Why trade him for the first offer that comes along?

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The Canucks could package Schnieder, along with a bad contract or an underachiever like Manny Malhotra, to the Jackets or any goalie-needy team any time they wanted and land immediate help for a cup run this year or next.

They won't, because they have no faith in Luongo in the playoffs, and the players have no confidence in him either. This is also why Luongo doesn't have any more trade value than Bryzgalov.

A young, rebuilding team has no need for a 33 year old goalie signed long-term, and a team ready to contend now has no need for a goalie that cannot perform under pressure.
Bad contract? The guys been off to a terrible start because of an eye injury that allegedly cost him half his vision. He's been an absolute stud the last 20 or so games though, and seems to be back to the player we signed.

So Luongo is worthless? Fine, we'll keep him. That long term contract, which is only 5.33 in cap space, is fine by Vancouver fans. If you don't like it, don't trade for it.

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it's true. I'd trade Carter or just about anyone (other than Nash) for a guy like Schneider, as I think most teams that are looking for goalies would.

Luongo's deal is prohibitve to a rebuilding team, because if they develop a young #1 guy, then they're stuck in the same boat as Van is now with a potention #1 stuck behind a guy with a long term deal
Using your own logic, why trade a young, up and coming goalie for a horrible contract? Carter or Nash. Both those contracts are prohibitive, what if Vancouver develops someone of that position, then they're stuck in the same boat as Columbus is now, with great forwards stuck playing behind guys with a long term deal.

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Manny has been on 6 NHL teams. Can't be worth that much in the room.

I should clarify, Luongo is a total stud in the regular season (minus Boston). This I will not dispute, his numbers are indisputable.
So journeymen can't be worth much in the room. Someone tell nearly every cup contending team to not trade for rentals, veterans that have played on multiple teams, and get San Jose, Nashville, New Jersey and Philly to trade their players back for picks and prospects, as most of those guys have played on at least 4+ teams (minus Grossman).

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Unless I am mistaken, these last 2 months were the regular season.

Blackhawks/Bruins series were the playoffs last year. He is an elite regular season goalie.
So two teams condemn him to not be a stud goal tender in the playoffs? I suppose Nashville, San Jose, L.A., St Louis, Dallas, Anaheim (who we did lose to) and any number of world competitors count for nothing, because Chicago and Boston had his number.

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Gillis' public whining I don't think is something that one should be proud of
Stating something is untrue is "whining"?

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The idea that Columbus would want Luongo is insane. Even if he continues to play at an elite level the next 3 years, the Jackets won't have the offense or defense to give him any help. They need a guy who can be their long term solution and be elite when the Jackets young guys (Moore, Johan, whoever they draft and get back for Nash) are fully developed.

Yes, Carter doesn't want to be in Columbus and players won't waive to come here. But where were all the Luongo apologists during the playoffs last year or early in the season when he was getting booed at home? You will praise him now, but you will turn on Luongo in a second.
If they don't want him, fine, it wasn't a Vancouver fan that proposed this. Take it up with the OP in a private message. If you want a long term solution from Vancouver, Schneider may be moved, but we'd need an offer that suits us and our cap situation, and he won't come cheap.

I'm no apologist, but Luongo has been our MVP every season since we traded for him. Like with any large fan base we have a ton idiots who only watch when we are winning, and see a loss or a blow out as entirely on the goaltender. It's been that way in Vancouver since before I can remember, and having a star goaltender who in the same week will post back to back shut outs, then be left out to dry by the rest of the team and let in 5 or 6 goals will get the scorn of our bandwagon fans.

If not for him, we wouldn't have made it out of the first round for any of the past seasons since we got him.

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Gillis' public whining I don't think is something that one should be proud of
Huh? The guy was incensed about a ridiculous media article and called them out on it.

You may want to learn what whining actually means prior to using that word in the future.

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