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02-19-2012, 01:01 PM
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Carter for kulemin a second and colborne

No more.
no. kulemin + 2nd and im reluctant to do that, carter has a LONG contract

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Howsen wants at least one Elite prospect in the deal, The leafs would have to find one on there roster because Luke schenn and gardiner are good, but not elite.

This is the biggest reason I don't believe he will go to toronto.

kings have bernier, canucks have schneider and hodgson, philly has couturier/schenn.
Jake Gardiner is an elite prospect.

Don't kid yourself.

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Howsen wants at least one Elite prospect in the deal, The leafs would have to find one on there roster because Luke schenn and gardiner are good, but not elite.

This is the biggest reason I don't believe he will go to toronto.

kings have bernier, canucks have schneider and hodgson, philly has couturier/schenn.
... I'm sorry what? Gardiner is ****ing awesome.

What a ridiculous post

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More like Kessel for Nash +++
OR Kessel + Komisarek + Lombardi + Connolly + Armstrong

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Howsen wants at least one Elite prospect in the deal, The leafs would have to find one on there roster because Luke schenn and gardiner are good, but not elite.

This is the biggest reason I don't believe he will go to toronto.

kings have bernier, canucks have schneider and hodgson, philly has couturier/schenn.
First of all, lol @ Gardiner not being an elite prospect.

Second of all, Leafs have Kadri, who incase you haven't noticed has elite talent. Colborne isn't as elite but he's definitely a very good prospect. Everytime he's been called up he's played solid. 5 points in 10 games, not bad playing 3rd line minutes in his first 10 games.

And Nash is NOT worth more than 1 elite prospect. He's not even a 70 point player...

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Howsen wants at least one Elite prospect in the deal, The leafs would have to find one on there roster because Luke schenn and gardiner are good, but not elite.

This is the biggest reason I don't believe he will go to toronto.

kings have bernier, canucks have schneider and hodgson, philly has couturier/schenn.
Philly Schenn is Elite, our Schenn is just good enlighten me on this.

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OR Kessel + Komisarek + Lombardi + Connolly + Armstrong
Here's a nice pile of it.

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Howsen wants at least one Elite prospect in the deal, The leafs would have to find one on there roster because Luke schenn and gardiner are good, but not elite.

This is the biggest reason I don't believe he will go to toronto.

kings have bernier, canucks have schneider and hodgson, philly has couturier/schenn.
The thing is we don't know how howson would value a player like schenn for instance. He may see elite shutdown d-man in schenn maybe 2-3 years from now.

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I hope no one's serious when they mention trading Kessel for Carter, Nash or whomever.

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Howsen wants at least one Elite prospect in the deal, The leafs would have to find one on there roster because Luke schenn and gardiner are good, but not elite.

This is the biggest reason I don't believe he will go to toronto.

kings have bernier, canucks have schneider and hodgson, philly has couturier/schenn.


Gardiner is worth more than Schneider.

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02-19-2012, 01:08 PM
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We keep hearing what Howson is looking for (up to four assets) for Nash, but that is just the asking price. Anyone who has negotiated something knows that you start off high if you're selling, and low if you're buying.

Nash's cap hit and leftover term is bad, and that affects his value. I don't think he's worth that cap hit now, but let's say for the sake of argument that he is. Will he be in 3-4 years? What happens in a few years if that cap hit prevents a team from re-signing several players? Short-term gain for long-term pain? Hypothetically, if a huge package was offered, some team would be allocating short and long-term cap space in addition to losing multiple valuable assets. Intangibles are great, but not when allocating that much money and cap space on a 60-70 point winger.

I might also add that the idea of Howson not moving players out if he doesn't get what he wants is a little naive. Supposedly, the team is losing over $10 a season. Both Nash and Carter have actual salaries that increase as their contracts play out. Between them, those contracts equal over $100m. Now they're all but guaranteed to draft another franchise player in June.

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how about they let that grow together instead of moving some bodies out? You could have a up and coming team but in TO their is no patience.

not to mention the Nash cap hit is very high
You do realize you only have a certain amount of time once a prospect is signed and in the pros to develop them do you?

They're not waver exempt forever and the majority of prospects of all teams are trade assets rather than assets for the future and use there draft picks to restock.

As long as Gardiner and Kadri aren't in the trade I'd just about trade any other prospect or young player currently with the Leafs and enjoy having another elite goal scoring winger one with size for the next 7 years

As for his cap hit this is big blue the richest franchise in the NHL and if your the GM of the Maple Leafs you don't get cheep when it comes to elite players you make room elsewhere and adjust accordingly to fit an Elite player other wise your not doing your job as GM of the Leafs.

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Gardiner is worth more than Schneider.
Disagree.

Schneider is a no. 1 goalie on 15 (maybe more?) teams in the league. Gardiner is a prospect.

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Disagree.

Schneider is a no. 1 goalie on 15 (maybe more?) teams in the league. Gardiner is a prospect.
according to what? the 50 games he's played He's no more proven then Reimer or Bernier and has actually played 5 more regular season games than Gardiner despite being 4 years older.

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Howson is dealing from a position of relative strength with regards to both Nash and Carter. Both are signed long term and there is no need to get rid of any of them. He can set his price and quitely wait until a team is willing to pay his price. Under any circumstance the BJs must be looking for signed players as they have a hard time getting quality UFAs to sign there.

So to be in on either one, you'll have to pay up because they're not UFAs and Howson will lose no sleep as the deadline approaches.

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Disagree.

Schneider is a no. 1 goalie on 15 (maybe more?) teams in the league. Gardiner is a prospect.
He's also on one of the better teams in the league. His stats are inflated.

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Disagree.

Schneider is a no. 1 goalie on 15 (maybe more?) teams in the league. Gardiner is a prospect.
based on what?
Fact: Jake Gardiner leads rookie defensemen in scoring, and logs 21+ mins a game coming straight out of college.
Fact: Gardiner was a + last night in our 6-2 loss kid is a stud.

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Fact: Gardiner was a + last night in our 6-2 loss kid is a stud.
Give him the Calder already

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Howson is dealing from a position of relative strength with regards to both Nash and Carter. Both are signed long term and there is no need to get rid of any of them. He can set his price and quitely wait until a team is willing to pay his price. Under any circumstance the BJs must be looking for signed players as they have a hard time getting quality UFAs to sign there.

So to be in on either one, you'll have to pay up because they're not UFAs and Howson will lose no sleep as the deadline approaches.
His team is last overall, and they're bleeding money with several massive contracts that aren't performing (regardless of reason), and his job is likely coming to an end. I'm sure he is, indeed, losing sleep.

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Howsen wants at least one Elite prospect in the deal, The leafs would have to find one on there roster because Luke schenn and gardiner are good, but not elite.

This is the biggest reason I don't believe he will go to toronto.

kings have bernier, canucks have schneider and hodgson, philly has couturier/schenn.
What? Gardiner is an elite prospect, has top 2 potential. He was +1 in last night's game that says something. The can fly, he's gaining more confidence carrying the puck and his hockey IQ is very high. He plays a solid defensive game as well. He's a stud.

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Howson is dealing from a position of relative strength with regards to both Nash and Carter. Both are signed long term and there is no need to get rid of any of them. He can set his price and quitely wait until a team is willing to pay his price. Under any circumstance the BJs must be looking for signed players as they have a hard time getting quality UFAs to sign there.

So to be in on either one, you'll have to pay up because they're not UFAs and Howson will lose no sleep as the deadline approaches.

this, so much this.

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based on what?
Fact: Jake Gardiner leads rookie defensemen in scoring, and logs 21+ mins a game coming straight out of college.
Fact: Gardiner was a + last night in our 6-2 loss kid is a stud.
Pretty sure Schenn and Gardiner were the only D that were not negatives on the night, both logging 20+ minutes. That pair will be a beauty one day soon if neither are dealt.

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Disagree.

Schneider is a no. 1 goalie on 15 (maybe more?) teams in the league
That's been said that about a lot of goalies pre-trade

Post-trade is always another story

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Howson may apparently be interested in a combination of players from Nazem Kadri, Luke Schenn, Nikolai Kulemin, and James Reimer

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/trade...son_rick_nash/

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Disagree.

Schneider is a no. 1 goalie on 15 (maybe more?) teams in the league. Gardiner is a prospect.
How do you know he's a number 1 on 15 teams?

Was Toskalol a no.1 goalie for us? Bet you were saying the same when he was playing for the Sharks.

Playing behind a top 3 team in the league, and the rest is a massive difference.

And LOL at Gardiner being a prospect.

The guy logs 20 + minutes a night, is our best D on most nights, and looks like Kaberle when moving the puck.

What makes you think he's a prospect? Guy is an NHL player.

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