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They can probably shop him around and net a first rounder and a quality prospect, though I suspect that trailing by just two points, they pass Florida for the division title.
It's funny how perceptions work. Florida at 65 points is a feel-good story this year, and Washington at 63 points is a train wreck. Yet no one is talking about Florida as a possible seller. Neither team has set the world on fire, which means either can wind up the 3rd seed (Winnipeg, though having played more games, could also be the team in 3rd, leaving both the Caps and Panthers on the outside looking in).
Point is, there is a lot of hockey left to play. I don't think any of the three wind up sellers. They have too strong a chance to be in the playoffs. There is no strong SE team this year, so they're all in it.
Is it just me or aren't high scoring D-men supposed to have substanitally high +/- ratings? Wideman has 40 points and is barely in the positives. Something kind of off about that to me.
I don't think we should be trading for him, especially if it's going to cost us a 1st rounder.
I understand why the Caps would ask for a 1st+ but I don't think Wideman puts us over the top so there's no need to trade anything substantial.
I'd do that from a Washington perspective. We're missing a Palmieri-type prospect in our system, and he can't really put up any worse numbers than Knuble (although Knoobs has been a bull since coming back from being scratched). Foster provides us some right handed depth to help replace Wideman.
If Wides is available, then I am guessing there are plenty of teams that will come to the table with a 1st round pick and either a solid, solid prospect AND a secondary prospect or a 3rd/4th...
just my .02 as a caps fan who has watched him all season... he's literally been a god-send to the D...
If Wides is available, then I am guessing there are plenty of teams that will come to the table with a 1st round pick and either a solid, solid prospect AND a secondary prospect or a 3rd/4th...
just my .02 as a caps fan who has watched him all season... he's literally been a god-send to the D...
If by "god-send" you mean someone who hangs his partners out to dry every few shifts, sure.
I really like Wideman but with Green healthy and the emergence of Orlov I think he's expendable. 3 1st round picks in this draft? Yes, please.
green being healthy is something you would count on? orlov has emerged to what extent? i think neither green nor orlov make wideman unnecessary. last season mcphee felt like wideman was necessary with green on the team and he was correct. wideman being available when green was injured v tampa bay might have been a difference maker.
orlov....we know little about orlov beyond his potential. we certainly no nothing about him as a primary quarterback of a power play.
I'd do that from a Washington perspective. We're missing a Palmieri-type prospect in our system, and he can't really put up any worse numbers than Knuble (although Knoobs has been a bull since coming back from being scratched). Foster provides us some right handed depth to help replace Wideman.
Really? I'm surprised. The Devils appear to be showcasing Palmieri right now, and we have no idea what for. If he must be moved, I hope it's for a good return, like Wideman. Foster is pretty terrible, if you trade for him, you'll see. The first is looking pretty low in the round. I guess if you view Napalm as a Knuble replacement (and he is being groomed into a power forward sort of player), it's a good deal.
Really? I'm surprised. The Devils appear to be showcasing Palmieri right now, and we have no idea what for. If he must be moved, I hope it's for a good return, like Wideman. Foster is pretty terrible, if you trade for him, you'll see. The first is looking pretty low in the round. I guess if you view Napalm as a Knuble replacement (and he is being groomed into a power forward sort of player), it's a good deal.
With Green returning, Wideman (theoretically) shifts from being a 20+ minute player on this team to a 3rd pairing guy and powerplay specialist. That's a workload that doesn't mandate a $4M salary, and Foster can (hopefully) fill. Worst case scenario, Orlov can shift to the right side and we scratch Foster in favor of Schultz/Erskine.
It's possible another team makes a better offer for Wideman, but that's a fairly solid offer in terms of both value and not destroying the Caps' playoff hopes.
If by "god-send" you mean someone who hangs his partners out to dry every few shifts, sure.
You have your opinion and I have mine based on watching.
Defensive stats:
All Star team
5th in scoring
4th in Goals
6th in Assists
4th in GWG goal
16th in ice time
and for the record, in personal opinion my fellow caps fans have gotten extremely jaded and negative this year and can't see the positives from the negatives...
you probably don't give GMGM credit for the trade that brought him here last year too right? (Hauswirth and a 3rd)...
I don't believe Dennis Wideman is even on the trade block. But we'll ask for Zajac. If we have to add to that than a 5th.
Zajac won't be traded. His value is much higher than that, especially to the Devils, who have good centre depth for the first time in a while now, and won't want to dismantle it.
green being healthy is something you would count on? orlov has emerged to what extent? i think neither green nor orlov make wideman unnecessary. last season mcphee felt like wideman was necessary with green on the team and he was correct. wideman being available when green was injured v tampa bay might have been a difference maker.
orlov....we know little about orlov beyond his potential. we certainly no nothing about him as a primary quarterback of a power play.
You're not serious about Orlov? The kid is a superstar in the making. He's incredibly sound in his own zone, physical, great skater, cannon shot, and he's 20 years old. I venture to say he will out perform Carlson and possibly Alzner. And that PP has really been humming with Wideman at the QB hasn't it?
Green has had surgery to correct his injury, and by all accounts should have had that surgery months ago instead of trying to just rehab it. As I said earlier, IF he can stay healthy and with the emergence of Orlov, Wideman is becoming expendable. Also, he is an UFA at the end of this season. If GMGM feels he can get a bounty in return for a guy who may not be here next year, he may pull the trigger.
You're not serious about Orlov? The kid is a superstar in the making. He's incredibly sound in his own zone, physical, great skater, cannon shot, and he's 20 years old. I venture to say he will out perform Carlson and possibly Alzner. And that PP has really been humming with Wideman at the QB hasn't it?
Green has had surgery to correct his injury, and by all accounts should have had that surgery months ago instead of trying to just rehab it. As I said earlier, IF he can stay healthy and with the emergence of Orlov, Wideman is becoming expendable. Also, he is an UFA at the end of this season. If GMGM feels he can get a bounty in return for a guy who may not be here next year, he may pull the trigger.
This. Wideman is not going to take a hometown discount. His time with the Capitals has afforded him an opportunity he would have probably never had with most other teams and that will be a significant pay day. Wideman will be looking for a contract 4.5+ for 4 years. Such a contract may serve as an impediment for negotiations with the likes of Alzner, Carlson and Orlov in the future.
You're not serious about Orlov? The kid is a superstar in the making. He's incredibly sound in his own zone, physical, great skater, cannon shot, and he's 20 years old. I venture to say he will out perform Carlson and possibly Alzner. And that PP has really been humming with Wideman at the QB hasn't it?
Green has had surgery to correct his injury, and by all accounts should have had that surgery months ago instead of trying to just rehab it. As I said earlier, IF he can stay healthy and with the emergence of Orlov, Wideman is becoming expendable. Also, he is an UFA at the end of this season. If GMGM feels he can get a bounty in return for a guy who may not be here next year, he may pull the trigger.
Not likely. Right now he needs MORE firepower, not less. The PP issues are hardly the fault of Wideman. Passes aren't made or caught. Shots aren't on net. Board battles are not being won. Far more things are amiss than you are giving credit for.
Wideman isn't going anywhere unless the CAPS drop every game between now and the dead line or the offer is too good to pass up.
Not likely. Right now he needs MORE firepower, not less. The PP issues are hardly the fault of Wideman. Passes aren't made or caught. Shots aren't on net. Board battles are not being won. Far more things are amiss than you are giving credit for.
Wideman isn't going anywhere unless the CAPS drop every game between now and the dead line or the offer is too good to pass up.
I'm not disputing the fact that Wideman is not solely at fault for the PP issues; I'm disputing the other poster who claimed Wideman was too valuable on the PP to be expendable. The PP issues, as well as the other scoring issues, stem from the absence of 19 and 52 as well as a reluctance to shoot. The Caps used to throw everything and anything at the net and while they had some pretty goals, guys like Knuble racked up points on rebounds and deflections. For whatever reason, the Caps look for the ESPN Top 10 goal as opposed to just shooting the puck.
I like Wideman and have enjoyed his time in DC. That said, as someone earlier stated, this is his last shot for a pay day and he's going to the highest bidder. I do not think, and hope it will not be, in DC. We have too many young guys who can do his job to justify paying him. If I'm going to pay a FA D this year, it's going to be a DFD who can hit and isn't afraid to mix it up. The Caps have enough guys (Green, Orlov, Carlson, Alzner) who can move the puck and add offense; they need a mean and disruptive presence to clear the crease.
As a Caps fan i actually consider moving Wideman IF Green stays healthy. But Foster and a 2nd is much too low. If we trade Wideman I would like a top 6 forward in return, or a dman who can actually play DEFENSE.
EDIT: BTW the above is applied regardless of where the Caps are in the standings (and I am still confident they will make the playoffs). Hard part obviously is judging the health of Green.
Last edited by apollo71426: 02-20-2012 at 03:05 PM.
