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02-19-2012, 07:11 PM
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Such as? A lot of people were clamoring over Vokoun and his cap hit at Washington and look what happened. You'd be hard pressed to find many goaltenders at better value than Fleury.
Quick, Elliott, Bernier, Schneider, kinda Giguere, Enroth, Biron, Rask, Smith, Anderson(even at 3 mil) and more..

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02-19-2012, 07:20 PM
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I think it's useless to argue with palindrom on this topic. He believes elite goalies don't deserve the premium they're paid because statistically, the downgrade from a star goalie to a replacement-level goalie is much lesser than the downgrade from a star forward to a replacement-level forward. I love advanced stats myself and on average, he has a point.

But by definition very few teams will see "the average". palindrom, we hear you talk about Vokoun, Biron, Elliot, Quick all the time, where's the love for Dwayne Roloson and Mathieu Garon? Where's the love for Corey Crawford and Ray Emery? Tampa Bay and Chicago are textbook examples of your philosophy. TB will likely miss the playoffs. CHI is statistically destroying the league in almost every area other than goaltending, and with average goaltending instead of replacement-level goaltending they'd be challenging for the President's Trophy instead of fighting with Calgary and Phoenix for a playoff spot (Niemi instead of Hjalmarsson? the Sharks outsmarted the Hawks that summer).

by the way, how about those prized examples -- Vokoun, Quick. Are their teams currently in the playoffs?
Well, this is my last intervention on this thread, we are off topic, im just replying to other comment

Roloson? at 3 500 000$ He is an example that goalie doesnt deserve high salary TMB prefer to run with a rather cheaper Garon (1 300 000$). What if Roloson money was put on defense?

Tampa Bay is not a textbook of my philosophies, they are a team who invested a good deal of money on a proven goalie.

For the rest, im waiting until the end of the season to compile the correlation between a team success and the money invested on goalie.. i will start a new thread then and you are welcome to come and comment.

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Schneider, Ballard, Raymond for Crosby?

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02-19-2012, 07:38 PM
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I think Brad Thiessen has earned a shot.
No he hasn't. Have you seen him at all this season in WBS? Munroe has out played him, Thiessen is having a really off year as well and if he wants to get his "shot" he would need to turn his game around drastically in the next 5-10 games to get Shero to give him a look at the NHL level.

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by the way, how about those prized examples -- Vokoun, Quick. Are their teams currently in the playoffs?
Did you ever think that maybe the Kings aren't in a playoff spot because their offense is dead last? The Kings are only close to a playoff spot because of Quick. In the 26 games he's lost in either regulation or OT this season, the Kings have scored a grand total of 29 goals. They're averaging 2.03 goals/game, while giving up 2.03 goals against/game. They've only scored 120 goals in 59 games. It's not Quick's fault at all.

Not that I thought Quick was the best example for this thread. He signed that deal about halfway through his first full season as an NHL starter.

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02-19-2012, 08:17 PM
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Conklin was just waived....

Pick him up and drop BJ?

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Bring Conklin back off waivers. Problem solved.

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Quick, Elliott, Bernier, Schneider, kinda Giguere, Enroth, Biron, Rask, Smith, Anderson(even at 3 mil) and more..
All of the above aren't as god as MAF. Quick is the only one who comes close.

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All of the above aren't as good as MAF. Quick is the only one who comes close.
I know, but I'm just talking about the cap/ win % ratio.

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02-19-2012, 09:47 PM
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Did you ever think that maybe the Kings aren't in a playoff spot because their offense is dead last? The Kings are only close to a playoff spot because of Quick. In the 26 games he's lost in either regulation or OT this season, the Kings have scored a grand total of 29 goals. They're averaging 2.03 goals/game, while giving up 2.03 goals against/game. They've only scored 120 goals in 59 games. It's not Quick's fault at all.

Not that I thought Quick was the best example for this thread. He signed that deal about halfway through his first full season as an NHL starter.
I didn't say it was Quick's fault. but that's OT for this thread.

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Conklin for future considerations.

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Hedberg and a 5th for Thiessen.

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Turn Johnson into a 4th line goon. He has 1 punch KO power.

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Budaj just make 550 000$ more than Jonhson

I think the root of the problem is Fleury's contract is too big.
http://www.capgeek.com/leaders.php?t...ion=G&limit=25

Of that list I don't know if I'd take any of the higher paid goalies over MAF. The only one I think about is Lundy but 1.875M is pretty big when considering the big contracts that the Pens have.

And this always puts a smile on my face:
http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1141

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http://www.capgeek.com/leaders.php?t...ion=G&limit=25

Of that list I don't know if I'd take any of the higher paid goalies over MAF. The only one I think about is Lundy but 1.875M is pretty big when considering the big contracts that the Pens have.

And this always puts a smile on my face:
http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1141
I knew he was getting ten mil this year, but didnt know he also was getting a five mil signing bonus on top of that . . . fifteen million to get "lost in the woods" . . . wow.

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Conklin was just waived....

Pick him up and drop BJ?
I believe someone mentioned that the Pens are close or at the contract limit. So we can't have Conklin back until Shero moves someone.

Edit: Have people seen Conklin's numbers? Good god, why on Earth would you want Conklin when his numbers are almost as bad as Johnson's??????

I'd rather just call up Thiessen even if he is struggling and see if maybe a game up could jump start him again.

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I knew he was getting ten mil this year, but didnt know he also was getting a five mil signing bonus on top of that . . . fifteen million to get "lost in the woods" . . . wow.
The universe...man....




I guess that comment by Ilya with the Ducks now has an inside joke to Flyers fans, "why you heff to be mad?" - regarding Bryzgalov, lol. Man, I would rather have Luongo over Ilya, both horrible contracts but one is still a decent starter.


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gustavvson or reimer (gus is UFA)
grabovski (UFA, rental for playoff run crosby out)
2nd or 3rd

for

bennett
1st rounder

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want karlsson? we'll send him your way for a 5th or something.

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gustavvson or reimer (gus is UFA)
grabovski (UFA, rental for playoff run crosby out)
2nd or 3rd

for

bennett
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Yeah, congrats on completely missing the point of this discussion.

We're talking flipping a 6th rounder for a backup, not panic at the level of our goaltending.

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gustavvson or reimer (gus is UFA)
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bennett
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Good god no, pass.

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want karlsson? we'll send him your way for a 5th or something.
The goal is to get an upgrade over Johnson, not someone that has proven less in the league and is also playing horribly.

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Budaj just make 550 000$ more than Jonhson

I think the root of the problem is Fleury's contract is too big.
MAF is a 5m cap hit, the guy is already tied for 20th all time for playoff wins at just 27yrs old. The problem here is that people love to hate on Fleury and all he does his prove them wrong.

"Fleury? Lol, won't win 40 games." - Did
"Fleury? Lol, won't take them to the finals." - Did
"Fleury? Finals was a fluke, dare him to do it again and win them a cup" - Did.

Other goaltenders get all of this praise as the reason they win this or that, but when it's MAF, it's the team only. People can't figure out it's a team sport and if people play their positions well, you win as a team and some games, you are the reason you win. MAF fits that. People here only give guys like Lundqvist or Miller (before this year) that they are the reason the team wins, etc. Which is hilarious.

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if the isles resign Nabokov this week , maybe they can make Montoya available for a late pick .

call up Poulin to share load with Nabby down the stretch .

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Considering Leland Irving is looking like he'll be good in a couple years, and the fact we acquired what is essentially the number one goalie in the KHL in Ramo from the Camalleri deal, you can have Karlsson for fairly cheap.

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Can you at least agree that Quick at 1 800 000$ offer a better performance/$ ratio than MAF at 5 000 000$ ?

Howard at 2 250 000$ ? (if winning % is what matter as you suggested above).

Nabokov at 570 000$ (he earn less $ than Jonhson!!)

Rinne at 3 400 000$ ?
Naw.

Nope.

No.

And not even close.



$5M looks like this:



Which turns into this:

www.google.ca/search?q=penguins+sellout+streak

And then the big guy can do this:


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naw.

Nope.

No.

And not even close.



$5m looks like this:



which turns into this:

www.google.ca/search?q=penguins+sellout+streak

and then the big guy can do this:


this.

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