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02-19-2012, 01:56 PM
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Travis Hamonic to Vancouver

What would it take to get this kid off the Islander's hands? He's a 2nd round pick but a lot of upside.

I don't think NYI would need another goalie unless they don't trust their prospects.

Any islander fans tell me what you guys are lacking?

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02-19-2012, 01:57 PM
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NYI needs D prospects.

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Overpayment only.

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Hamonic is nearly as untouchable as Tavares, so there you go. We're talking big, big return here, no Ballards, back-up goalies and such, but think in terms of Edler, Kesler...

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We're lacking good defensemen. Since he's our best dman, Hamonic is about as untouchable as you can get. Don't even bother.

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NYI needs D prospects.
No, they don't need more prospects. They need actual defensemen who can step in.

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Like everyone said, Hamonic is practically untouchable. I think it would take more than what we'd want to give up, ie Hodgson, Burrows, or Hamhuis/Bieksa. Not worth it for the either team, NYI has to keep building that core. Hamonic seems to be one to build around.

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Edler..

Hamonic is almost as untouchable as JT is. He is the 2nd most important player in our organization.

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We're lacking good defensemen. Since he's our best dman, Hamonic is about as untouchable as you can get. Don't even bother.
This. As a Canucks fan, we wouldn't be able to give up what NYI would need. Wouldn't mind trying to get Streit though

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Islanders are probably interested in Raymond, Ballard and Booth.

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Any islander fans tell me what you guys are lacking?
It starts with the coach and move steadily through the 2nd through 4th lines and most of the defense.

Travis is as untradeable as they come I'm afraid. He will be a pillar of our defense for many years to come.

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Islanders' biggest weakness is defense, or more specifically, an extra top four defenseman (or two, depending on whether you feel McDonald is better suited as a #5).

The solution: trade their best all-around defenseman?

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No, they don't need more prospects. They need actual defensemen who can step in.
As eager as you might be for success, the young core of Tavares, Okposo, Nino and Strome is still a few years away from being fully effective. Your management doesn't look like it's been trying to rush things so far (which is a good thing).

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Wouldn't mind trying to get Streit though
We wouldn't mind listening to what you might be willing to give up either.....

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Streit can be had, but again, we're not interested in Schneider, Ballard or bottom six players

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What would it take to get this kid off the Islander's hands? He's a 2nd round pick but a lot of upside.

I don't think NYI would need another goalie unless they don't trust their prospects.

Any islander fans tell me what you guys are lacking?
Isles and their fans believe they are developing Weberlite,a young blueline stud.

WHY would he be available?

http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2...ts-at-the-wjc/

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As eager as you might be for success, the young core of Tavares, Okposo, Nino and Strome is still a few years away from being fully effective. Your management doesn't look like it's been trying to rush things so far (which is a good thing).
This is true, but trading a young part of the core for prospects is anti-everything marginally logical. Considering the Isles' depth in forward prospects, they are in a better position to swap a couple of them for a defenseman with experience. In order for the young group to be successful, they need other quality NHLers (not named Rolston, Staios, etc that the Isles think they can get away with).

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Streit can be had, but again, we're not interested in Schneider, Ballard or bottom six players
Unfortunately, we wouldn't be willing to send any of our top 6 forwards or Hodgson your way at this point in time. More of a pipe dream on my part...

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This. As a Canucks fan, we wouldn't be able to give up what NYI would need. Wouldn't mind trying to get Streit though
Canucks have a young,quality, top 4 nhl d-man,one with top pairing upside to offer up?

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Canucks have a young,quality, top 4 nhl d-man,one with top pairing upside to offer up?
Even if we did, not many teams trade those players (see: Hamonic, Travis)

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Canucks have a young,quality, top 4 nhl d-man,one with top pairing upside to offer up?
Not really. There is Tanev but salary has to go with him for Streit to come back... yadadada don't see a deal to be done here. Jurcina on the other hand would be a possibility based on Van's needs, but personally I don't feel he's much (if at all) of an upgrade over Alberts.

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Ok, can understand that Hamonic is basically untouchable but I don't get why people say a prospect is worth a proven player... does that make sense?

A prospect that has potential to be a proven player, is worth someone who is already proven (ie. Kesler, Edler, etc)

I guess I don't understand the thought process.

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Ok, can understand that Hamonic is basically untouchable but I don't get why people say a prospect is worth a proven player... does that make sense?

A prospect that has potential to be a proven player, is worth someone who is already proven (ie. Kesler, Edler, etc)

I guess I don't understand the thought process.
It has to do with Hamonic's importance to the team. He is already showing signs of being a high-end dman, playing on an entry level deal on a cash-strapped team, and playing a position that is already one of the Isles' biggest needs.

There is no sense trading him for prospects. Basically, the only way the Isles could justify moving a guy like Hamonic would be for a proven NHL performer (Kesler, Edler). Obviously the Canucks wouldn't do that as they are contending, not rebuilding, so both teams are happy to keep their own players.

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I guess I don't understand the thought process.
Nobody understands yours either.

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Ok, can understand that Hamonic is basically untouchable but I don't get why people say a prospect is worth a proven player... does that make sense?
I wouldn't consider Hamonic a prospect. At this point in time the only way I trade Hamonic is if he is packaged for a better defenseman(say Nashville wants to trade Weber and the Islanders could sign Weber to a long term deal I would thing of unloading Hamonic+ for him)

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