Omark is small, but not soft, at least not by my definition. He is good at protecting the puck, tenacious in puck pursuit, doesn't shy away from contact, and goes to the net.
I would keep the pick.
Would rather take the chance of Timmins finding a gem than
taking on someone elses leftovers.
I would keep the pick.
Would rather take the chance of Timmins finding a gem than
taking on someone elses leftovers.
I wouldn't call Omark leftovers. But I would rather pick and develop someone (and have them on an ELC before paying more for just as big (no pun intended) question mark.
Here's an idea for a quick re-build. I just came up with this now, and I thought, what the heck, I'll post it here and see what other Habs fans think about it, so bear with me and here we go...
1) Stock up on picks for the 2012/2013 draft and draft some gems and high quality players
2) Aquire some good prospects that will be really good someday
3) Trade all pending UFAs for picks and prospects
4) Build around our young core (Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Eller, DD, Gorges, etc...)
5) Use free agency to our advantage to fill up roster gaps until our young players are ready to come in
Some Interesting Prospects
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- Peter Holland (ANA)
- Ryan Spooner (BOS)
- Taylor Beck (NSH)
- Martin Marincin (EDM)
- Max Reinhart (CGY)
Well since we are making Mtl - Nash and Mtl - Clb proposal here's a new twist on the AK + Def to Nash.
To Nash
AK
Josh Gorges
Travis Moen
To Mtl
Nash 1st 2012
Right to Radulov
Blum
Josi
Halischuck
Also based on the rumor of Mtl pushing hard for Halischuck.
Tweek as required.
Nash sacrifice some future but gets extra forward depth with playoff experience. Their Def is also much improved with Gorges signed long term at decent Cap, providing very steady defense, shot blocking, pk specialist and leadership.
Set them up for a good cup run this year and get more then just rental.
Montreal goes further into tank mode this year, but Blum and Josi are excellent D prospect ready to contribute some this year and hopefully quickly improve to as good or better than Gorges and with hopefully Radu coming over, they could benefit grealty long term.
That's ridiculous. And you also somehow ended up with a worse defence. Markov won't be ready next season anyway.
What's so ridiculous. Trading Gorges or the return..
From Nash fan seems like AK for Blum and Nash 1st is fair.
Call Moen for Halischuk about even.
That leaves Gorges for Josi who as a 21 year old is playing 18 min for Nashville and rights to Radulov. Which might not be quite enough, but I initially did not think AK was worth 1st and Blum.
I figured give Gorges to get Radulov and 2 D prospect/ young guy with good potential, hoping that at least one if not both can become as good or better than Gorges.
As far as beeing a worse defense. Let's see:
Now
Gorges Subban
Emelin Campoli
Kaberle Diaz
against
Markov Subban
Emelin Blum
Kaberle Diaz
I say Markov > Gorges if back and performing
Blum > Campoli
Might even have Josi over Kab if not in the Clb trade
Then Subban, Emelin, Diaz should all be better.
it's a good idea , but LA is to close on the cap.They will probably let Penner walk this summer for cap relief, so I doubt they want to be stuck with kaberle salary
So...there are different accounts of who was offered but I think it was along the lines of...
To Tampa
Gorges
Subban
Higgins
Pleks
To Montreal
Vinny
It's an awful deal and I'm glad Bettman stepped in...BUT what would this team look like if the deal DID go through?
First off...there'd be no Gomez
Vinny,Koivu,Lang at center. Not bad.
Top 6 wingers
Ryder
Kovalev
Kosty
Tanguay
Bottom 6 wingers
Sergei, Guillaume, etc...
AT D there would be no PK or Gorges, but there would be McDonaugh who can soften the blow of losing PK. Gorges as good as he is is replaceable (at least at the time).
Problem is Vinny's contract would hurt us but with him, there's no midget rebuild, there's no Gomez, we get the big 1st line centerman we have needed for years...
My question is...if we did land Vinny, do you think this team would be better off right now?
So...there are different accounts of who was offered but I think it was along the lines of...
To Tampa
Gorges
Subban
Higgins
Pleks
To Montreal
Vinny
It's an awful deal and I'm glad Bettman stepped in...BUT what would this team look like if the deal DID go through?
First off...there'd be no Gomez
Vinny,Koivu,Lang at center. Not bad.
Top 6 wingers
Ryder
Kovalev
Kosty
Tanguay
Bottom 6 wingers
Sergei, Guillaume, etc...
AT D there would be no PK or Gorges, but there would be McDonaugh who can soften the blow of losing PK. Gorges as good as he is is replaceable (at least at the time).
Problem is Vinny's contract would hurt us but with him, there's no midget rebuild, there's no Gomez, we get the big 1st line centerman we have needed for years...
My question is...if we did land Vinny, do you think this team would be better off right now?
We'd be in serious trouble if that deal had occured.
Nevermind McDonagh/Gomez, we are losing arguably our three best warriors in that deal.
We'd be in serious trouble if that deal had occured.
Nevermind McDonagh/Gomez, we are losing arguably our three best warriors in that deal.
Yes...the deal is bad. However, the deal also keeps us from making a lot of the deals that we've made since then.
So, there's no Gomez trade. The Halak trade can be used to grab a good dman or winger instead of a centerman. There is no midget rebuild. Higgins is gone anyways. Pleks is replaced with Koivu. McDonaugh replaces PK. Gorges is replaced via free agency.
So...there are different accounts of who was offered but I think it was along the lines of... To Tampa Gorges Subban Higgins Pleks To Montreal Vinny It's an awful deal and I'm glad Bettman stepped in...BUT what would this team look like if the deal DID go through? First off...there'd be no Gomez Vinny,Koivu,Lang at center. Not bad. Top 6 wingers Ryder Kovalev Kosty Tanguay Bottom 6 wingers Sergei, Guillaume, etc... AT D there would be no PK or Gorges, but there would be McDonaugh who can soften the blow of losing PK. Gorges as good as he is is replaceable (at least at the time). Problem is Vinny's contract would hurt us but with him, there's no midget rebuild, there's no Gomez, we get the big 1st line centerman we have needed for years... My question is...if we did land Vinny, do you think this team would be better off right now?
I don't think so. I draw a parallel with Alex Rodriguez: The NY Yankees are stuck with a diminished, highly paid ex-superstar with a long contract.
I don't think so. I draw a parallel with Alex Rodriguez: The NY Yankees are stuck with a diminished, highly paid ex-superstar with a long contract.
Fair nuff. They did win a World Series with him, at least...and I'd make that trade if it meant we'd have the same kind of success the Yankees have had with A-Rod....which would be a cup
With this trade & the Ribeiro & Gomez trades, I'm wondering how Gainey crossed the street everyday and not get run over?
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Originally Posted by hockeyfan2k11
My question is...if we did land Vinny, do you think this team would be better off right now?
Yes we would be better off, because we would have picked first overall at the draft the last three years: Hall, tavares & Stamkos would have been our picks. Wait! I take back what I said about Gainey. He's a genius.
So...there are different accounts of who was offered but I think it was along the lines of...
To Tampa
Gorges
Subban
Higgins
Pleks
To Montreal
Vinny
It's an awful deal and I'm glad Bettman stepped in...BUT what would this team look like if the deal DID go through?
First off...there'd be no Gomez
Vinny,Koivu,Lang at center. Not bad.
Top 6 wingers
Ryder
Kovalev
Kosty
Tanguay
Bottom 6 wingers
Sergei, Guillaume, etc...
AT D there would be no PK or Gorges, but there would be McDonaugh who can soften the blow of losing PK. Gorges as good as he is is replaceable (at least at the time).
Problem is Vinny's contract would hurt us but with him, there's no midget rebuild, there's no Gomez, we get the big 1st line centerman we have needed for years...
My question is...if we did land Vinny, do you think this team would be better off right now?
All things considered, the trade, AT THAT TIME, wasn't that bad.
Gorges wasn't the Gorges we have now.
Subban was still a prospect, a good one, but nowhere how he his rated right now.
Higgins never flourished even outside of Montreal.
It was basically a TOP3 forward for a TOP6 forward, a 3rd line player, a third wave defenseman and a good prospect.
