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The Trade Proposal Thread ‎2012 2.0

View Poll Results: Would you do the trade?
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02-22-2012, 04:18 PM
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holy crap!


DUCK!!!!!


I was going to say it would start with your 1st round pick and Nash to get the ball rolling.

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Omark is small, but not soft, at least not by my definition. He is good at protecting the puck, tenacious in puck pursuit, doesn't shy away from contact, and goes to the net.
I would keep the pick.
Would rather take the chance of Timmins finding a gem than
taking on someone elses leftovers.

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02-22-2012, 08:07 PM
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I would keep the pick.
Would rather take the chance of Timmins finding a gem than
taking on someone elses leftovers.
I wouldn't call Omark leftovers. But I would rather pick and develop someone (and have them on an ELC before paying more for just as big (no pun intended) question mark.

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02-22-2012, 08:56 PM
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Here's an idea for a quick re-build. I just came up with this now, and I thought, what the heck, I'll post it here and see what other Habs fans think about it, so bear with me and here we go...

1) Stock up on picks for the 2012/2013 draft and draft some gems and high quality players
2) Aquire some good prospects that will be really good someday
3) Trade all pending UFAs for picks and prospects
4) Build around our young core (Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Eller, DD, Gorges, etc...)
5) Use free agency to our advantage to fill up roster gaps until our young players are ready to come in

Some Interesting Prospects
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- Peter Holland (ANA)
- Ryan Spooner (BOS)
- Taylor Beck (NSH)
- Martin Marincin (EDM)
- Max Reinhart (CGY)


How does this sound?

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02-22-2012, 09:09 PM
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Why would Ducks do this? AK for a 6'3 200lbs scoring center prospect. Right.

They're not going for the cup this year, and have no need for AK to add the extra 5 PO goals to get there. No chance, sorry.

Please post real trade options guys?
At the time, and even now, anahiem may make playoffs. They have Selanne, Blake, Hagman, etc..

It's not unreasonable they'd search for a winger like Kostitsyn. Ducks fans offered Maroon+2nd+3rd if we re-signs.

Although...Peter Holland is a good prospect and it IS wishful thinking on my part.

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02-23-2012, 04:55 AM
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If the Habs are genuinely thinking of trading AK then get Brassard from Columbus that would probably be as close to a even trade as they can find.

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02-23-2012, 08:46 AM
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If the Habs are genuinely thinking of trading AK then get Brassard from Columbus that would probably be as close to a even trade as they can find.
and then what? Plekanec, Brassard, Eller, Desharnais, Gomez, White all centers

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02-23-2012, 11:31 AM
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If the Habs are genuinely thinking of trading AK then get Brassard from Columbus that would probably be as close to a even trade as they can find.
If we were getting Brassard, I would want to keep AK because I would want someone who can both hit and score on the same line as Brassard.

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I would put Brassard on the wing, fwiw.

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02-23-2012, 02:57 PM
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If we were getting Brassard, I would want to keep AK because I would want someone who can both hit and score on the same line as Brassard.

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I would put Brassard on the wing, fwiw.
I would have Brassard on the wing as well. He has horrible FO stats

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02-23-2012, 04:59 PM
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Here's a post I just made in the Cbj-mtl / mtl -nash thread on the main board, would you consider something along those line.

Might have to add a conditional 1st in 2013 from Nash if Radu does not come.

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Well since we are making Mtl - Nash and Mtl - Clb proposal here's a new twist on the AK + Def to Nash.

To Nash
AK
Josh Gorges
Travis Moen

To Mtl
Nash 1st 2012
Right to Radulov
Blum
Josi
Halischuck

Also based on the rumor of Mtl pushing hard for Halischuck.

Tweek as required.

Nash sacrifice some future but gets extra forward depth with playoff experience. Their Def is also much improved with Gorges signed long term at decent Cap, providing very steady defense, shot blocking, pk specialist and leadership.
Set them up for a good cup run this year and get more then just rental.

Montreal goes further into tank mode this year, but Blum and Josi are excellent D prospect ready to contribute some this year and hopefully quickly improve to as good or better than Gorges and with hopefully Radu coming over, they could benefit grealty long term.

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For the second part, not sure I'm I'll that interested in that since it involves trading Montreal 1st in 2012, but here's the Mtl -Clb part.

To Clb
Mtl 1st 2012
Nash 2nd 2012 from Gill Trade
Bourque
Choice of Weber/Palushaj/Josi from previous trade

To Mtl
Rick Nash

Mtl line for next year

Radulov Pleck Nash
MaxPac DD Cole
Halischuck Eller Gio
Geoffrion Leblanc White

Markov Subban
Emelin Blum
Kaberle Diaz

Even though the potential lottery 2012 first is gone, Mtl still has 1st from Nash and their second in 2012.

Bury/trade Gomez for Cap, maybe Kab and Gio too if able needed.

Crazy enough or something to work from???:

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02-23-2012, 06:47 PM
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That's ridiculous. And you also somehow ended up with a worse defence. Markov won't be ready next season anyway.

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If we were getting Brassard, I would want to keep AK because I would want someone who can both hit and score on the same line as Brassard.

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I would put Brassard on the wing, fwiw.

Brassard has more hits than Akost.

I checked today.

so imo send akost away for pick/prospects and then go get Brassard

and yes Brassard to play on wing. prob with Pleks

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02-23-2012, 08:39 PM
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Brassard has more hits than Akost.

I checked today.

so imo send akost away for pick/prospects and then go get Brassard

and yes Brassard to play on wing. prob with Pleks
I never would of guessed that in a million years.

Who would be the winger to play with Brassard and Plekanec. I don't see Gionta, Darche, Leblanc or Moen fitting in there.

If we can get a winger with a similar skill set to AK I don't mind trading him or letting him go but if we don't I'd rather keep him.

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02-23-2012, 08:46 PM
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I'm bored. How about AK, a D prospect like Diaz and one of their 2nd rounders for Dustin Brown?

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02-23-2012, 08:56 PM
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That's ridiculous. And you also somehow ended up with a worse defence. Markov won't be ready next season anyway.
What's so ridiculous. Trading Gorges or the return..

From Nash fan seems like AK for Blum and Nash 1st is fair.

Call Moen for Halischuk about even.

That leaves Gorges for Josi who as a 21 year old is playing 18 min for Nashville and rights to Radulov. Which might not be quite enough, but I initially did not think AK was worth 1st and Blum.

I figured give Gorges to get Radulov and 2 D prospect/ young guy with good potential, hoping that at least one if not both can become as good or better than Gorges.

As far as beeing a worse defense. Let's see:

Now

Gorges Subban
Emelin Campoli
Kaberle Diaz

against

Markov Subban
Emelin Blum
Kaberle Diaz

I say Markov > Gorges if back and performing
Blum > Campoli

Might even have Josi over Kab if not in the Clb trade
Then Subban, Emelin, Diaz should all be better.

Then O is lot better

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02-23-2012, 09:04 PM
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Any chance that LA might want Kaberle, now that JJ is gone?

Kaberle
For
Penner + pick

Penner traded just as salary dump and we don't have to re-sign him. I would love to get Brown but not sure we have enough to get him.

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it's a good idea , but LA is to close on the cap.They will probably let Penner walk this summer for cap relief, so I doubt they want to be stuck with kaberle salary

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02-23-2012, 10:54 PM
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The Lecavalier deal revisited

So...there are different accounts of who was offered but I think it was along the lines of...

To Tampa
Gorges
Subban
Higgins
Pleks

To Montreal
Vinny

It's an awful deal and I'm glad Bettman stepped in...BUT what would this team look like if the deal DID go through?

First off...there'd be no Gomez

Vinny,Koivu,Lang at center. Not bad.

Top 6 wingers
Ryder
Kovalev
Kosty
Tanguay

Bottom 6 wingers
Sergei, Guillaume, etc...

AT D there would be no PK or Gorges, but there would be McDonaugh who can soften the blow of losing PK. Gorges as good as he is is replaceable (at least at the time).

Problem is Vinny's contract would hurt us but with him, there's no midget rebuild, there's no Gomez, we get the big 1st line centerman we have needed for years...

My question is...if we did land Vinny, do you think this team would be better off right now?

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So...there are different accounts of who was offered but I think it was along the lines of...

To Tampa
Gorges
Subban
Higgins
Pleks

To Montreal
Vinny

It's an awful deal and I'm glad Bettman stepped in...BUT what would this team look like if the deal DID go through?

First off...there'd be no Gomez

Vinny,Koivu,Lang at center. Not bad.

Top 6 wingers
Ryder
Kovalev
Kosty
Tanguay

Bottom 6 wingers
Sergei, Guillaume, etc...

AT D there would be no PK or Gorges, but there would be McDonaugh who can soften the blow of losing PK. Gorges as good as he is is replaceable (at least at the time).

Problem is Vinny's contract would hurt us but with him, there's no midget rebuild, there's no Gomez, we get the big 1st line centerman we have needed for years...

My question is...if we did land Vinny, do you think this team would be better off right now?
We'd be in serious trouble if that deal had occured.

Nevermind McDonagh/Gomez, we are losing arguably our three best warriors in that deal.

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Is this a serious question?

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We'd be in serious trouble if that deal had occured.

Nevermind McDonagh/Gomez, we are losing arguably our three best warriors in that deal.
Yes...the deal is bad. However, the deal also keeps us from making a lot of the deals that we've made since then.

So, there's no Gomez trade. The Halak trade can be used to grab a good dman or winger instead of a centerman. There is no midget rebuild. Higgins is gone anyways. Pleks is replaced with Koivu. McDonaugh replaces PK. Gorges is replaced via free agency.

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So...there are different accounts of who was offered but I think it was along the lines of... To Tampa Gorges Subban Higgins Pleks To Montreal Vinny It's an awful deal and I'm glad Bettman stepped in...BUT what would this team look like if the deal DID go through? First off...there'd be no Gomez Vinny,Koivu,Lang at center. Not bad. Top 6 wingers Ryder Kovalev Kosty Tanguay Bottom 6 wingers Sergei, Guillaume, etc... AT D there would be no PK or Gorges, but there would be McDonaugh who can soften the blow of losing PK. Gorges as good as he is is replaceable (at least at the time). Problem is Vinny's contract would hurt us but with him, there's no midget rebuild, there's no Gomez, we get the big 1st line centerman we have needed for years... My question is...if we did land Vinny, do you think this team would be better off right now?
I don't think so. I draw a parallel with Alex Rodriguez: The NY Yankees are stuck with a diminished, highly paid ex-superstar with a long contract.

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I don't think so. I draw a parallel with Alex Rodriguez: The NY Yankees are stuck with a diminished, highly paid ex-superstar with a long contract.
Fair nuff. They did win a World Series with him, at least...and I'd make that trade if it meant we'd have the same kind of success the Yankees have had with A-Rod....which would be a cup

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To Tampa
Gorges
Subban
Higgins
Pleks

To Montreal
Vinny
With this trade & the Ribeiro & Gomez trades, I'm wondering how Gainey crossed the street everyday and not get run over?


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My question is...if we did land Vinny, do you think this team would be better off right now?
Yes we would be better off, because we would have picked first overall at the draft the last three years: Hall, tavares & Stamkos would have been our picks. Wait! I take back what I said about Gainey. He's a genius.

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So...there are different accounts of who was offered but I think it was along the lines of...

To Tampa
Gorges
Subban
Higgins
Pleks

To Montreal
Vinny

It's an awful deal and I'm glad Bettman stepped in...BUT what would this team look like if the deal DID go through?

First off...there'd be no Gomez

Vinny,Koivu,Lang at center. Not bad.

Top 6 wingers
Ryder
Kovalev
Kosty
Tanguay

Bottom 6 wingers
Sergei, Guillaume, etc...

AT D there would be no PK or Gorges, but there would be McDonaugh who can soften the blow of losing PK. Gorges as good as he is is replaceable (at least at the time).

Problem is Vinny's contract would hurt us but with him, there's no midget rebuild, there's no Gomez, we get the big 1st line centerman we have needed for years...

My question is...if we did land Vinny, do you think this team would be better off right now?
All things considered, the trade, AT THAT TIME, wasn't that bad.

Gorges wasn't the Gorges we have now.
Subban was still a prospect, a good one, but nowhere how he his rated right now.
Higgins never flourished even outside of Montreal.

It was basically a TOP3 forward for a TOP6 forward, a 3rd line player, a third wave defenseman and a good prospect.

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