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Kulemin to EDM in the off-season

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02-19-2012, 05:19 PM
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Wondering if Leaf fans think he could be had, and for what. If the current standings held up we'd be picking 2nd which (despite our need for a Dman and a draft history that avoids Russians) we'd really be better served going BPA and that's Grigorenko. With Khabby being our only current Ruskie, I think it wouldn't hurt to have another fellow countryman (closer to his age) to help the transition.

Does Kulemin have a good attitude? Is he part of the Leafs long-term plans?

Could picks and prospects get it done?
Is he part of the Leafs long term plans? yes.

Could picks and prospects get it done? no.

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02-19-2012, 05:22 PM
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Kuli isnt being traded. Too valuable to our team, regardless of the offensive black hole hes become. Take him out of our top 6 and we are the Montreal Canadiens.

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02-19-2012, 05:23 PM
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really you think edm will give up what could be elite talent for a good 2 way player
What is meant by this is that the Leafs are not interested in anything else on Edmonton. Obviously we'd have to add to acquire any, but only what has been mention will fill a need for Toronto and entice them enough to make the deal.

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02-19-2012, 05:24 PM
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The only way I can see Kulemin to Edmonton is if one of the top 3 or the first pick (if it's picking 1st or 2nd overall) is coming to us.
Did you wake up this morning and say "Today is the perfect day to start huffing paint!"????

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02-19-2012, 05:27 PM
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For the Leafs, his value is measured in quality roster players, not futures. I'm not sure that makes the teams a great trade fit.

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02-19-2012, 05:28 PM
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What is meant by this is that the Leafs are not interested in anything else on Edmonton. Obviously we'd have to add to acquire any, but only what has been mention will fill a need for Toronto and entice them enough to make the deal.
should have mentioned they would have had to add instead of stating only the big three will do, even if you add though i still dont think edm would consider trading one of the young guys

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02-19-2012, 05:29 PM
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should have mentioned they would have had to add instead of stating only the big three will do, even if you add though i still dont think edm would consider trading one of the young guys
Nor should they, which is why they are bad trading partners. But can we have Eberle pleaseeeeeee!

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He hasn't been on Kessel's line since 2010. He had his 30 goal season playing with Grabovski and MacArthur.

Explain these holes that you see in his play.
It's "TheStig" you are quoting, nuff said

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02-19-2012, 05:36 PM
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Do not want. Not that he isn't a very good player, but he's a lw and I don't want to experiment with him on the right wing. We have Hall, Smyth and Pajaarvi as wingers who need top six time (Smyth will be back, we all know it). So as good as Kulemin is, bringing him in would likely mean stunting Pajaarvi's growth with another year on the 4th line. No thanks to that.
Kulemin's been on RW for the past two seasons.

He plays both sides very effectively though.

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02-19-2012, 05:42 PM
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I would like to see Kulie in Edmonton he works the boards very well something the team lacks , and his two way play is good for anyteam he is having a dip in offensive play this season but still a very good player imo.

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02-19-2012, 05:45 PM
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I would like to see Kulie in Edmonton he works the boards very well something the team lacks , and his two way play is good for anyteam he is having a dip in offensive play this season but still a very good player imo.
Please humour me as to what EDM would be giving up.

I don't see any way Kulemin goes to EDM.

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02-19-2012, 05:54 PM
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Edm: Kulemin, 1st,3rd

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Do you think Kulemin will be traded for picks and prospects? We aren't a bottom feeder.
you honestly think Kulemin is worth a top five pick?

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02-19-2012, 06:11 PM
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Best proposal I've ever seen. Oilers should probably add Hall and RNH too though.

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02-19-2012, 06:13 PM
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you honestly think Kulemin is worth a top five pick?
I find it hilarious that he has so much value, yet if you go to another thread on this board discussing his contract value, Leaf fans are saying he's worth 2-3 million at most. Yet, nothing on the Oilers besides Hall, RNH or our top 5 pick is worth the mighty Kulemin.

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02-19-2012, 06:23 PM
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If the oilers are drafting Grigorenko and not a defenseman, they might as well just keep their picks instead of wasting it on Kulemin because they'll be a lottery team again next year.

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I find it hilarious that he has so much value, yet if you go to another thread on this board discussing his contract value, Leaf fans are saying he's worth 2-3 million at most. Yet, nothing on the Oilers besides Hall, RNH or our top 5 pick is worth the mighty Kulemin.
Objectively... based on the season he's had, he's in no position to bargain for more than his current contract... and that's exactly why he's so valuable to the Leafs. He could rebound next year for less than $2.5m, and is Toronto's only forward with any sort of size.

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I find it hilarious that he has so much value, yet if you go to another thread on this board discussing his contract value, Leaf fans are saying he's worth 2-3 million at most. Yet, nothing on the Oilers besides Hall, RNH or our top 5 pick is worth the mighty Kulemin.
Cmon dude have you not read the countless leaf fans saying their is no reason to sell Kulemin at his lowest value? He's the only winger we have in our top six that actually board plays well, and he also has some size and can hit. Hes a great PKer too. No way Toronto would be looking for picks and prospects, when we are in a win now mode.

But I know how this thread is going to go:
Leaf Fans: No sense in trading Kulemin at his lowest value, only way we will trade him is in a package for one of the top 3, or your 1st.

EDM fans: LOL'z you want the big 3? FUUUUUUUUUUU

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If the oilers are drafting Grigorenko and not a defenseman, they might as well just keep their picks instead of wasting it on Kulemin because they'll be a lottery team again next year.
If you really think the choice between Grigorenko and Ryan Murray is going to be the deciding factor of whether or not the Oilers are going to be a lottery team, than I think you're placing a little bit too much of importance on an 18 year old defense man.
How is the impact of Murray on this team going to be any different than Grigorenko's impact on the team in their rookie seasons?

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Objectively... based on the season he's had, he's in no position to bargain for more than his current contract... and that's exactly why he's so valuable to the Leafs. He could rebound next year for less than $2.5m, and is Toronto's only forward with any sort of size.
Or he could continue to play at the level he's been playing at all year and therefore not have any significant value by trade? Can you tell me why that's such a long shot? I think that's a little more likely.

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02-19-2012, 06:31 PM
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If you really think the choice between Grigorenko and Ryan Murray is going to be the deciding factor of whether or not the Oilers are going to be a lottery team, than I think you're placing a little bit too much of importance on an 18 year old defense man.
How is the impact of Murray on this team going to be any different than Grigorenko's impact on the team in their rookie seasons?
Yeah you're right. I should've said the next few years instead of next year.

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Cmon dude have you not read the countless leaf fans saying their is no reason to sell Kulemin at his lowest value? He's the only winger we have in our top six that actually board plays well, and he also has some size and can hit. Hes a great PKer too. No way Toronto would be looking for picks and prospects, when we are in a win now mode.
Yeah, no reason to trade a player when he's at his lowest value, I understand that. But what I don't understand is how he has more value than players like Gagner, Smid, Whitney, or Hemsky.

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02-19-2012, 06:33 PM
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Or he could continue to play at the level he's been playing at all year and therefore not have any significant value by trade? Can you tell me why that's such a long shot? I think that's a little more likely.
Yeah he could -- we'll happily take that risk because we need wingers with size.

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Yeah, no reason to trade a player when he's at his lowest value, I understand that. But what I don't understand is how he has more value than players like Gagner, Smid, Whitney, or Hemsky.
Simple.

Gagner -- Would be the team's 4th best centre, and is paid too much for that role. No reason to play him over Bozak/Connolly/Grabo.

Smid -- Would be another 5/6 defenceman who makes more money than we need to spend on the position with guys like Gardiner/Franson/Schenn.

Whitney -- Again, big contract and we've got plenty of defencemen.

Hemsky -- Old, oft-injured, undersized playmaking winger. Might as well play Kadri.

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Is he part of the Leafs long term plans? yes.

Could picks and prospects get it done? no.
I'm loathe to ask questions as a Penguins fan, because I know the black hole where our conversations tend to go (so, let's not even go there, because we've all gone round and round on that one for two years). By the same token, I'll spare you the Kennedy + Tangradi or Tangradi + 2nd horse**** and just ask:

Is a 1st straight up for Kulemin something that could get it done? Or a 1st + Tangradi? Or Beau Bennett (who, unlike Tangradi, is a blue chip playmaking sniper prospect who is supposed to go pro after this second college season)?

Or, is it players? Kunitz? A defenseman (thinking Michalek) for your second pair?

Or, is Kulemin only going as part of a package for an upgrade?

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As a Habs fan I think he'll be with the Leafs for maybe another year or two.

I expect he'll end up being a throw-in part of a package deal, worth maybe an early 20's 1st round pick. Worth more than a 2nd round pick but not a top 15 pick in the first round.
Did you notice everyone ignored your ridiculous comment? I'm sure you've become accustomed to that though.

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