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02-23-2012, 03:31 PM
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Winning and butts in the seats are directly linked in this market.

VC attendance has been progressively sparser over the last several months.
ESPN still says we're at 101.3% at home for the season. If people aren't showing up, it's because their tickets aren't selling on the secondary market. Still makes a dent in concessions and retail, but not enough for the team to change strategy based on revenue.

Losing playoff revenue, though, very well could. I still don't anticipate us being sellers at the deadline. I doubt that McPhee and Leonsis want to give up more home games.

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And where will you get this potent offensive player? They don't exactly grow on trees, you know. Perhaps you have someone in specific mind? Someone who will replace Semin's production for 4.5mil?
Um. Grabovski would certainly kick in 50 points and cost about that. Or we could go hard after Parise if we want to spend the kind of dough Semin has been making.

Semin isn't the only player in the league who has ever scored points.

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02-23-2012, 03:34 PM
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New Jersey is in a financial mess right now. Although Parise has said on the record that he doesn't care.

LA has a ton of cap room and they've need a top six winger for a while. I have to think they would win that bidding war.

I don't necessarily want to throw the bank at Parise, I just brought him up as a counter to the preposterous notion that we will never replace Semin's production if we let him go.
I guess the point is that Semin is one of the few out there who's first, best destination would be the Caps (presumably). Not that I'd give him 6.7 again, hell no. But I don't see Parise as a viable alternative, same way I don't see Suter as a realistic option. There will be better offers elsewhere.

Make a trade or look for a lower-tier player and hope Kuznetsov will come over and have an impact. Or keep Semin at a reduced rate (don't know what's realistic) and live with it, I don't know.

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ESPN still says we're at 101.3% at home for the season. If people aren't showing up, it's because their tickets aren't selling on the secondary market. Still makes a dent in concessions and retail, but not enough for the team to change strategy based on revenue.

Losing playoff revenue, though, very well could. I still don't anticipate us being sellers at the deadline. I doubt that McPhee and Leonsis want to give up more home games.
I can't remember the last time they showed one of the '__ consecutive sellout' graphics, which they were more than happy to show at every game early in the season. Methinks ESPN's figures are off.

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02-23-2012, 03:35 PM
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Tomas Fleischmann.
Right. Has Fleischmann ever outproduced Semin while they were both on our squad? Or perhaps Tomas was a playoff beast. That must be it.

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02-23-2012, 03:36 PM
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Right. Has Fleischmann ever outproduced Semin while they were both on our squad? Or perhaps Tomas was a playoff beast. That must be it.
Fleischmann is producing better than Semin, and at $4.5M.

That's a little perspective for you. We're not talking about a 70 point player. We're talking about a 50 point player.

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Um. Grabovski would certainly kick in 50 points and cost about that. Or we could go hard after Parise if we want to spend the kind of dough Semin has been making.

Semin isn't the only player in the league who has ever scored points.
Grabovski will cost at least 5mil, and there is no guarantee that we'll land him. Parise is even more of a long shot, considering he's the top UFA next season and won't even be 1LW on this team. We would really have to offer him an outrageous amount.

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02-23-2012, 03:47 PM
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Fleischmann is producing better than Semin, and at $4.5M.

That's a little perspective for you. We're not talking about a 70 point player. We're talking about a 50 point player.
Fleischmann is currently outproducing Semin because he has better linemates, more ice time, and more PP ice time. And still, Semin has more ES points in fewer games, and a better overall TOI/pt. Fact is, Fleischmann never outproduced Semin on the Caps. I doubt Tomas would have the same production on a line with Johansson and Chimera.

EDIT: Again, Semin has been almost a PPG player under Dale Hunter.

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02-23-2012, 03:56 PM
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Fleischmann is currently outproducing Semin because he has better linemates, more ice time, and more PP ice time. And still, Semin has more ES points in fewer games, and a better overall TOI/pt. Fact is, Fleischmann never outproduced Semin on the Caps. I doubt Tomas would have the same production on a line with Johansson and Chimera.

EDIT: Again, Semin has been almost a PPG player under Dale Hunter.
Again, Semin has these 20 game spurts every year.

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If we're replacing Semin with Flash, are we also trading Ovie for Versteeg?

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Again, Semin has these 20 game spurts every year.
Well, this year the 20 game spur is already at 30 games, and even a streaky Semin outproduced Fleischmann every year in the past.

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The fact that the roster is flawed and the fact that Dale isn't the answer are not mutually exclusive.
Based on his history of only having a flawed roster to use here and relative sucess elswhere he's coached, I'll stick to the proof that's been shown so far. Flawed roster, primary issue.

To me, school is still out on Hunter as an NHL coach down the road. Do I think he's got things to learn still, without a doubt. Good assistants can offset that easily if the voice is worth keeping.

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The roster is flawed. Evident.

Dale is also not the coach for this core. Should be equally evident.

Is he a horrible coach? For this group, yeah. For another? Who knows. It should be a learning experience for him, given he had no pro experience before this. CHL is not the big leagues.

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If we're replacing Semin with Flash, are we also trading Ovie for Versteeg?
No, first we'll be severing the umbilical cord so you can rest assured we can keep 8 and safely survive without 28.

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Well, this year the 20 game spur is already at 30 games, and even a streaky Semin outproduced Fleischmann every year in the past.
I've posted this before. Semin's hot streaks:

Semin scored 30 in 25 to start last season.

Semin scored 33 in 21 games before the Olympic break two years ago.

Semin scored in all but 11 games in 2009. So, 79 points in 51 games -absurd.

This is not his most impressive streak at all. Not by a longshot. And there's no reason to believe that this is anything more than just that: a streak.

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If we're replacing Semin with Flash, are we also trading Ovie for Versteeg?


wait...if we are trading semin for fleischmann, will we be hating fleischmann out of town again in a year and wanting semin back?

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Jesus, I'm not advocating replacing Semin with Flash.

I was bringing a little perspective to the situation, showing that what Semin is producing is worth in the $4.5M price range.

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I've posted this before. Semin's hot streaks:

Semin scored 30 in 25 to start last season.

Semin scored 33 in 21 games before the Olympic break two years ago.

Semin scored in all but 11 games in 2009. So, 79 points in 51 games -absurd.

This is not his most impressive streak at all. Not by a longshot. And there's no reason to believe that this is anything more than just that: a streak.
Bingo we have a winner.

You have to be very easily impressed for this current Semin streak to mean anything to you.

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Jeff Carter is a good center... why not trade for him? We have to give to get.

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I've posted this before. Semin's hot streaks:

Semin scored 30 in 25 to start last season.

Semin scored 33 in 21 games before the Olympic break two years ago.

Semin scored in all but 11 games in 2009. So, 79 points in 51 games -absurd.

This is not his most impressive streak at all. Not by a longshot. And there's no reason to believe that this is anything more than just that: a streak.
ive heard something about goal scorers streaking you see it all the time kinda like you complaining about semin

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At this point, any sort of vision for the team would be encouraging. There's no identity here.

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Jeff Carter is a good center... why not trade for him? We have to give to get.
I don't understand why people keep suggesting this. Jeff Carter is the last thing this roster needs...

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Why, we need a decent 2C...who's better than him available?

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Jesus, I'm not advocating replacing Semin with Flash.

I was bringing a little perspective to the situation, showing that what Semin is producing is worth in the $4.5M price range.
yea, i understand. i'm just trying to have a little fun.

that said, the get fleischmann out of town sentiment was nearly universal and its doesnt look so smart right now. the bruce cant coach sentiment isnt looking so hot right now. semin and green among others so many want gone could really bite at a later date.

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