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02-24-2012, 01:47 AM
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Caps should do what it takes to get Brown. He's not the #1 Defenseman or 2nd line center everyone wants, but he has character and scores. He would be a very nice addition and help purge this soft lineup.

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One thing brown doesn't do consistently is score.

But he is definetly something this mess can use.

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Brown is a younger replacement for knuble. He's Brouwer x2. Way worth mojo's potential IF they are wavering on his C abilities.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong but could we say he's a poor mans but similar to getzlaf in style ? Leadership / captain, Hits, fights and can score?

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In 12 playoff games brown has 7 points, 2 g and 5 a.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong but could we say he's a poor mans but similar to getzlaf in style ? Leadership / captain, Hits, fights and can score?
No?

He hits a ton, he's an awful fighter though

I don't really see the Getzlaf at all

Getz book has always been that he's extremely talented but chooses when he's going. Extremely skilled

Browns not that skilled he just works hard and has a bit of everything in his game

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Brown is a younger replacement for knuble. He's Brouwer x2. Way worth mojo's potential IF they are wavering on his C abilities.
You have to consider their contracts. Brown is only signed for two more seasons after this one, at which point he becomes an UFA. Johansson is ours for much longer than that.

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After we've been starved for a 2C for a long time, how can anyone be suggesting that we trade our current 2C for a winger????????!?!!?!??!?!?!

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After we've been starved for a 2C for a long time, how can anyone be suggesting that we trade our current 2C for a winger????????!?!!?!??!?!?!
Not saying I agree with the sentiment, but I think the line of thinking is that you would take a guy who you don't believe is the legit answer at 2C, move him for a winger you'd love to have, then, in turn, trade one of your, now surplus, wingers in a package for that elusive answer at 2C.

L.A. stole Jeff Carter, btw.

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Not saying I agree with the sentiment, but I think the line of thinking is that you would take a guy who you don't believe is the legit answer at 2C, move him for a winger you'd love to have, then, in turn, trade one of your, now surplus, wingers in a package for that elusive answer at 2C.

L.A. stole Jeff Carter, btw.
You think so? I think CBJ won that deal.

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02-24-2012, 07:38 AM
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You think so? I think CBJ won that deal.
How? Both contracts are terrible. Jeff Carter is far and away the better hockey player.

It was a mid-late 1st round pick and a salary dump for a guy who will score 25-30 goals a year, kill penalties, and otherwise provide solid 2 way play at the center ice position (although he might play wing quite a bit if needed).

I don't think people are giving Jack Johnson enough credit for how awful he's been.

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02-24-2012, 07:52 AM
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I don't think people are giving Jack Johnson enough credit for how awful he's been.
He went from a Top 5 pick and hasn't won 3 Norris' yet, I'm surprised that people on this website still believe he's worthy of playing in the NHL.

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02-24-2012, 08:00 AM
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I have serious doubts that he can become a 2C in the NHL just doesnt have the size for it. However I feel he will/can become and legitimate 2nd line winger.
Johansson's listed at 6'1", 205.

Centers that are listed as equal to or smaller than that in both height and weight:

Crosby
Stamkos
Datsyuk
Tavares
Elias
Couture
Seguin
Filppula
O'Reilly
Ribeiro
Weiss
Plekanec
Grabovski
Brad Richards
Mike Richards
Gagner
Krejci
Stastny
Stepan
RNH
Roy
Saku Koivu

I think you get the picture. Size isn't particularly common among top-6 centers. That's why it's so coveted. If Johansson doesn't stick at center, it'll be because he doesn't get better at faceoffs and his creativity or goal-scoring doesn't improve. Not because of his size.

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02-24-2012, 08:07 AM
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To me, I'm more of a realist than most around here, so I think it's a bit early to write off MaJo because...well, to say that a 21 year old has reached his potential is pretty moronic and the fact he's already playing a top 6 role as a 21 year old and not playing horribly, says there is obviously potential.

In the words of Stephen A. Smith, "HOWWWWWEVAAAAA", I would make the trade of MaJo for Dustin Brown because Brown is just a reliable player. He plays the game the right way for a guy who doesn't have elite hands or wheels.

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Johansson's listed at 6'1", 205.
Centers that are listed as equal to or smaller than that in both height and weight:

Crosby
Stamkos
Datsyuk
Tavares
Elias
Couture
Seguin
Filppula
O'Reilly
Ribeiro
Weiss
Plekanec
Grabovski
Brad Richards
Mike Richards
Gagner
Krejci
Stastny
Stepan
RNH
Roy
Saku Koivu

I think you get the picture. Size isn't particularly common among top-6 centers. That's why it's so coveted. If Johansson doesn't stick at center, it'll be because he doesn't get better at faceoffs and his creativity or goal-scoring doesn't improve. Not because of his size.
That's Nicky. Marcus is 5'11" 180.

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02-24-2012, 08:10 AM
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That's Nicky. Marcus is 5'11" 180.
http://capitals.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8475149

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It'd be like Gretzky going there all over again.
I'm just kidding here too, kind of. But just for sh*ts and giggles, and keeping in mind the premium that the "Gretzky effect" might bring us from LA.

To LA -- $12.25 million

Ovechkin
Schultz

To Washington -- around $12 million
Kopitar
Quick
Willie Mitchell or Scuderi or Matt Greene

Keep in mind, after the Carter deal, LA now has 3 arguably No. 1 centers. This gives us a 1C/2C, a solid goalie, a rugged D guy. They get their Gretzky. Would it be enough, or is it just not worth thinking about?

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02-24-2012, 08:17 AM
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And there's this:





They look pretty damn close to the same height to me.

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He went from a Top 5 pick and hasn't won 3 Norris' yet, I'm surprised that people on this website still believe he's worthy of playing in the NHL.
That and also because he can't play defense very well and also can't generate offense very well and also he's terrible.

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That and also because he can't play defense very well and also can't generate offense very well and also he's terrible.

Carter was looking Hart worthy in CBus too.

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I was going by his numbers last year, I guess. Wow, if he's listed as big as Backstrom, he sure doesn't play like it. How the hell do you add 25 pounds and still lose board battles every bit as consistently as always?

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They look pretty damn close to the same height to me.
For a few minutes there I thought you were talking about her breasts. It took a while until I even noticed there were hockey players in that photo.

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Not saying I agree with the sentiment, but I think the line of thinking is that you would take a guy who you don't believe is the legit answer at 2C, move him for a winger you'd love to have, then, in turn, trade one of your, now surplus, wingers in a package for that elusive answer at 2C.

L.A. stole Jeff Carter, btw.
That doesn't make a lot of sense. We haven't been able to get a legit 2C for several years. How is trading away MJ, who is currently our best realistic option at 2C, a good idea?

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Carter was looking Hart worthy in CBus too.
Carter doesn't have to be Hart caliber to be worth more than Johnson, just average NHL caliber, which he has been, despite a terrible attitude and injuries.

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I'm just kidding here too, kind of. But just for sh*ts and giggles, and keeping in mind the premium that the "Gretzky effect" might bring us from LA.

To LA -- $12.25 million

Ovechkin
Schultz

To Washington -- around $12 million
Kopitar
Quick
Willie Mitchell or Scuderi or Matt Greene

Keep in mind, after the Carter deal, LA now has 3 arguably No. 1 centers. This gives us a 1C/2C, a solid goalie, a rugged D guy. They get their Gretzky. Would it be enough, or is it just not worth thinking about?
You have me considering that. I'm leaning toward that rebuild mode where most of the high dollar and/or players over, say, 26 go elsewhere...

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I was going by his numbers last year, I guess. Wow, if he's listed as big as Backstrom, he sure doesn't play like it. How the hell do you add 25 pounds and still lose board battles every bit as consistently as always?
He was listed as 5'11", 189 at the draft. So it's been 2 inches and 16 pounds since then. I'd assume his physical weakness is due to never being in a heavy strength-training program until he got to the NHL It's not exactly uncommon for a second year player to be weak in those situations.

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