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02-29-2012, 06:40 PM
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well the wild can tell him he's not allowed, right? I'm sure it's in their contract somewhere...prohibiting behavior that endangers his ability to perform for the wild or somesuch. Not sure what the penalties would be.

edit: I'm not saying I'm for or against him playing the tourney, but I can see the Wild being very much against it if they have any doubt about his recovery.

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Wild take a stand against koivu?

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If it comes to that, I will be very disapointed. When you sign a $47M contract and wear the C, what you want becomes secondary to what the team wants.

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02-29-2012, 07:25 PM
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If it comes to that, I will be very disapointed. When you sign a $47M contract and wear the C, what you want becomes secondary to what the team wants.
The guy rushed back and was playing hurt to help the team....not himself. That should say something.

The way I see, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I've seen questions raised about him being "soft," because he was out with an undisclosed injury. He wasn't being a "team" player. Why is he sitting out so long? Then when Fletcher said that he was trying to play through the pain to help the team out (and that it was the trainer/GM's decision to pull him), he still gets labeled as only thinking of himself. So what is he suppose to do?

He'll get ripped apart for playing in the WC, yet at the same time, if he chose not to play in it, those very same people would say he's soft and not a good leader/teammate for doing so.

I think it was Jarick who said he should just get the surgery and go home to Finland. Yet wasn't it you who was unhappy because he didn't go on the last roadtrip....saying that it showed bad leadership? So what would it say if he went back to Finland?

You guys have to make up your mind here?

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If only Koivu wanted to play for the Stanley Cup as much as he wants to play for the WC...

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The guy rushed back and was playing hurt to help the team....not himself. That should say something.

The way I see, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I've seen questions raised about him being "soft," because he was out with an undisclosed injury. He wasn't being a "team" player. Why is he sitting out so long? Then when Fletcher said that he was trying to play through the pain to help the team out (and that it was the trainer/GM's decision to pull him), he still gets labeled as only thinking of himself. So what is he suppose to do?

He'll get ripped apart for playing in the WC, yet at the same time, if he chose not to play in it, those very same people would say he's soft and not a good leader/teammate for doing so.

I think it was Jarick who said he should just get the surgery and go home to Finland. Yet wasn't it you who was unhappy because he didn't go on the last roadtrip....saying that it showed bad leadership? So what would it say if he went back to Finland?

You guys have to make up your mind here?
Fair points, and to be clear, my argument is based on the assumption that Koivu doesnt play another game this year. If the Wild decide that holding him out for the rest of the season is the smart choice, then i cant see how playing the WC's would be wise.

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02-29-2012, 08:07 PM
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Fair points, and to be clear, my argument is based on the assumption that Koivu doesnt play another game this year. If the Wild decide that holding him out for the rest of the season is the smart choice, then i cant see how playing the WC's would be wise.
And to be honest, I'd like to see him out for the rest of the season. There's no benefit of him coming back.

He has military obligations to finish up this summer too, doesn't he?

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And to be honest, I'd like to see him out for the rest of the season. There's no benefit of him coming back.

He has military obligations to finish up this summer too, doesn't he?
I thought he took care of those last summer?

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02-29-2012, 08:51 PM
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I thought he took care of those last summer?
I think only part of it. Split it up. At least that's what I could have sworn was in one of the articles. Could be wrong.

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Hm. I see. Is this his last year to do that before he gets in trouble, or how the hell does that work up there?

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Hm. I see. Is this his last year to do that before he gets in trouble, or how the hell does that work up there?
You can delay it until you're 28, so yes. That being said, he is in Lahti which is specialized in training professional athletics so he can get special arrangements made to his service. That's why he was able to split it up, for example.

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99% sure we will find out he reinjured his shoulder. But that is just my gut feeling.

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In that case, thanks for warning us ahead of time about last night's game. Had we known it was going to be that ugly, we could have stuck our heads in the microwaves much earlier.

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In that case, thanks for warning us ahead of time about last night's game. Had we known it was going to be that ugly, we could have stuck our heads in the microwaves much earlier.

Well if you go back to the GDT, you will I predicted a 4-1 Kings victory... So I was close.

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03-01-2012, 08:40 AM
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well the wild can tell him he's not allowed, right? I'm sure it's in their contract somewhere...prohibiting behavior that endangers his ability to perform for the wild or somesuch. Not sure what the penalties would be.

edit: I'm not saying I'm for or against him playing the tourney, but I can see the Wild being very much against it if they have any doubt about his recovery.
No. The NHLPA would never even consider beginning to let teams have that sort of control, as well they shouldn't. The team can say anything they want to Koivu, but there's not a single thing they can (legally) do to stop him if he decides to play in the tournament.

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I think only part of it. Split it up. At least that's what I could have sworn was in one of the articles. Could be wrong.
No, Koivu won't have military obligations this summer. He got his corporal rank during the fall. Also, just a FYI he was actually named the Military Athlete of the Year in January.

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And the "we pay you, you do what we tell you to do" argument is invalid, I wouldn't listen to my boss if he told me to not do something I love doing on my free time. Not the best metaphor, but you know players still can do what they want. Its just up to Koivu if he feels he is ready when the championships are around, none of you can tell how bad his shoulder is and wheter or not he should stay out for rest of the season or not.

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And the "we pay you, you do what we tell you to do" argument is invalid, I wouldn't listen to my boss if he told me to not do something I love doing on my free time. Not the best metaphor, but you know players still can do what they want. Its just up to Koivu if he feels he is ready when the championships are around, none of you can tell how bad his shoulder is and wheter or not he should stay out for rest of the season or not.
So do you think your boss should have any recourse if your outside activity causes you to not be able to perform your job correctly/to the standard you were hired to meet ?

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So do you think your boss should have any recourse if your outside activity causes you to not be able to perform your job correctly/to the standard you were hired to meet ?
Under current US law, unless the activity you were engaged in is illegal, your boss is strictly forbidden from doing so.

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So do you think your boss should have any recourse if your outside activity causes you to not be able to perform your job correctly/to the standard you were hired to meet ?
The only thing the Wild could possibly do is suspend him (i.e the Jimmy Sheppard ATV scandal) but I highly doubt it would ever come to that.

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Shut him down. Season over. Let tank begin.

Force him to get Granlund to sign ASAP.

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Shut him down. Season over. Let tank begin.

Force him to get Granlund to sign ASAP.
Due to SM-Liiga, NHL, and European transfer agreement rules, Granlund cannot sign a contract with the Wild until after the WC.

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Under current US law, unless the activity you were engaged in is illegal, your boss is strictly forbidden from doing so.
Seriously ?

So if I have an assembly job and somehow cut all my fingers off playing with knives at home they get to pay me to sit and watch the parts fly by on the line ? I suppose they then have to create some other postition that they don't need to keep me employed and on the payroll.


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Seriously ?

So if I have an assembly job and somehow cut all my fingers off playing with knives at home they get to pay me to sit and watch the parts fly by on the line ? I suppose they then have to create some other postition that they don't need to keep me employed and on the payroll.

No wonder the US isn't competitive (among other reasons).
That's what insurance is for.

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Seriously ?

So if I have an assembly job and somehow cut all my fingers off playing with knives at home they get to pay me to sit and watch the parts fly by on the line ? I suppose they then have to create some other postition that they don't need to keep me employed and on the payroll..
If you are no longer (in the long term) able to perform your job duties, you may be terminated. However, if you go out drinking and whoring, and get in a car accident on the way home, they can't fire you because you're laid up in the hospital with a broken femur and gonorrhea.


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