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02-19-2012, 08:09 PM
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Caps - Canucks


Wideman
Neuvirth
Ward


Schneider
Raymond
Ballard


The well known offer out of Vancouver; Schneider, Ballard and Raymond is acctully something that should be of interest for the Caps. It of course comes with a few "if's".

I'm basing this on the fact that I really feel that Caps should trade their UFA's (Knuble, Vokoun, Wideman) and start looking at the roster for next season. Because I don't think they'll be going on a deep playoff-run.

So here's the idea.

Vokoun isn't likely to be retained after this season. He's been solid but not spectacular but he'll probably ask for more money if the Caps want him to stay. I personally don't really feel good about going into next season with Neuvirth and Holtby since neither has really showed being capable of being no.1 this year. Which is why I hope the Caps can get Schneider to be their no.1 next year with Holtby riding shotgun. Neuvirth on the other hand would be a cheaper back-up option to Luongo than Schneider, and still solid enough for 20-25 games per season.

Wideman can be their Ehrhoff of last year. Would be a great fit with Edler on the 2nd paring. Pending UFA, but gives Canucks a first hand chance of resigning him if they'd like to replace Salo, who isn't getting any younger.

Ward brings the bottom-6 some more grit, which is needed for their playoff-run. Great PK'er, hard to knock off pucks, responsible in his own zone. Raymond isn't known for being very physical and could benefit from a change of scenario and with the current top-6 in Washington, he'd surely be given a chance sooner or later. Caps do need to get faster and that's something he brings. Should with his subpar season not command much of a raise which would be very benefitial for the Caps.

Adding Ballard is solely for cap purposes. Getting rid of his contract should be worth a lot to Vancouver since their only using him 15 minutes per night. He could still in the right environment be a solid top-4 d-man and if it means that Schneider and Raymond comes with him I'd do it as Caps fan.

It's cap neutral (+/- a few 100K's).

This is what might be for the rest of the season.

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Higgins
Hansen-Hodgson-Ward
Malhotra-Lapierre-Weise

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Wideman
Rome-Salo

Luongo
Neuvirth

Ovechkin-Backstrom-Brouwer
Laich-Perreault-Semin
Chimera-Johansson-Raymond (SPEEED!)
Hendricks-Halpern-Beagle

Alzner-Carlson
Ballard-Green
Hamrlik-Orlov

Vokoun
Schneider

This is of course not what I'd be looking for to start next season for the Caps, hence the "if's" sentence in the beginning, but that's another story.

Thoughts, is it close?

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02-19-2012, 08:17 PM
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I don't see Caps doing this, unless Mike Green is 100% healthy and ready to go.

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I think Wides is being a bit overvalued here

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02-19-2012, 08:21 PM
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I don't see Caps doing this, unless Mike Green is 100% healthy and ready to go.
He skated 14 min's last night against TB.

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02-19-2012, 08:25 PM
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I think Wides is being a bit overvalued here
He's 4th in scoring amongst defenseman, that's not too shabby is it?

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02-19-2012, 08:26 PM
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A solid NO from the Caps...

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02-19-2012, 08:27 PM
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I guess ill do it.

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Ward 5 goals @ 4.5M

No thanks..

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A solid NO from the Caps...
Care to tell me why?

Wideman's gone anyway, Neuvy hasn't been stellar, Ward is overpaid for what he brings to the Caps (4th line min's)

Ballard's contract is baaad, but maybe he can be "Nylanderd" if he's not performing good enough.

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Care to tell me why?

Wideman's gone anyway, Neuvy hasn't been stellar, Ward is overpaid for what he brings to the Caps (4th line min's)

Ballard's contract is baaad, but maybe he can be "Nylanderd" if he's not performing good enough.

We have no need for any of those 3 players. Especially Ballard.
Plus, if Kaberle can get a 1st, 2nd, and Joe Colborne, i think that Wideman should be able to get a similar return, being 4th in scoring for Defenseman.

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Ward 5 goals @ 4.5M

No thanks..
He earns 3M per year, not 4,5M.

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02-19-2012, 08:37 PM
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No interest in Ward. I don't really like these two teams as trading partners.

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We have no need for any of those 3 players. Especially Ballard.
Plus, if Kaberle can get a 1st, 2nd, and Joe Colborne, i think that Wideman should be able to get a similar return, being 4th in scoring for Defenseman.
Do the Caps really need more picks? Aren't they in a win-now-mode?
Schneider would certainly be of use, for many many years to come. Raymond is a bit of a gamble, he almost notched 60 pts two years ago, @ that price he's of use to every team.

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Do the Caps really need more picks? Aren't they in a win-now-mode?
Schneider would certainly be of use, for many many years to come. Raymond is a bit of a gamble, he almost notched 60 pts two years ago, @ that price he's of use to every team.

If we're in a win now mode why do we need Schneider for the future, and giving up our highest producing defenseman + for him?

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What is Wideman worth as a rental, assuming that the Caps are resigned to mediocrity this year? Gotta shed Bally to make the cap work...



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If we're in a win now mode why do we need Schneider for the future, and giving up our highest producing defenseman + for him?
Well, in Schneider's case, future = next season. And giving up Wideman would be to let him walk for free after this season. Atleast get a warm body back for him.

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Plus, if Kaberle can get a 1st, 2nd, and Joe Colborne, i think that Wideman should be able to get a similar return, being 4th in scoring for Defenseman.
If GMs are smart, they won't forget Burke doing that deal last year and not including the KY. Wideman didn't have the "reputation" Kaberle had either at the time per value.

I just don't see Wideman having that kind of value. 18 of those points are from him being on the top PP unit in Washington. He could very well get traded to a contender and play on the 2nd unit there.

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02-19-2012, 08:56 PM
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What is Wideman worth as a rental, assuming that the Caps are resigned to mediocrity this year? Gotta shed Bally to make the cap work...



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2nd

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It starts with a 1st for sure. More if we have to take that scrub.

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02-19-2012, 08:57 PM
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Also agree the Caps/Canucks make poor trading partners.

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02-19-2012, 09:00 PM
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As I said when you proposed this to Caps fans, no. There's no upside for the Capitals in this deal. We shed one overpaid player to gain another with an even bigger contract. We lose Wideman and don't address any team needs or gain substantial futures. Sure, Schneider is better than Neuvirth, but he's also going to command a lot more money in the immediate future. If we're going to pony up more cash for a goaltender, I'd rather just keep Vokoun until one of the younger netminders takes over.

The deal just doesn't make any sense for Washington.

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Unless either Florida or (what is less likely) Winnipeg string together enough wins to gain separation, no one at the upper level of the crappy Southeast is going to be a seller, with third seed in such easy reach.

As noted, everything else is based on that assumption. With nobody in the division any good, all of Florida, Washington and Winnipeg have a shot and can't go into the deadline as a seller.

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Ward's contract (12mil/4yr or 3 more yrs @ 3mil) makes him of little interest to the 'nucks. Not that he isn't a decent player... just not worth the money he's making (or anywhere close).

Wides is an offensive dman that the 'nucks really don't need. Rather get another shutdown 3rd pairing dman than an offensive one. Its not like he'll get any 1st unit time anyways. Given how AV likes to keep his defensive pairings together, Wides might not even get any PP time.

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this is a lot of nothing. schneider and neuvirth are a wash. why would either team do that? ballard and ward are both on bad contracts. that leaves wideman for raymond.

really?

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Wideman
Neuvirth
Ward


Schneider
Raymond
Ballard

That is a new offer never thought of it before.

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