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02-20-2012, 09:03 AM
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Nothing beats hearing other teams pbp guys extol the prowess of Gomez being a 100 point guy trapped in a Devils uniform. Same goes for Martin, who hasn't sniffed his career highs since leaving the Devils.

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Martin for Montador?

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02-20-2012, 09:09 AM
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How bad has Martin been?
In the game against the Leafs he was the worst player on the ice -- Brett Lebda bad.

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Martin for Montador?
He's a bottom pairing guy at this point. Even now Martin is a legit top 4 guy who when he's on his game can be counted on for 30 minutes of sound positional play.

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02-20-2012, 09:14 AM
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Nothing beats hearing other teams pbp guys extol the prowess of Gomez being a 100 point guy trapped in a Devils uniform. Same goes for Martin, who hasn't sniffed his career highs since leaving the Devils.
Good that stats don't mean everything then, huh?

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02-20-2012, 09:17 AM
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He's a bottom pairing guy at this point. Even now Martin is a legit top 4 guy who when he's on his game can be counted on for 30 minutes of sound positional play.
I know, but he's cheaper too. You get cap space plus a capable defender.

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Good that stats don't mean everything then, huh?
They don't tell the story, but as a Devils fan it's funny to hear that Gomez is a 100 point in another teams uni or how Martin's PP and offensive production would be leaps and bounds ahead of what he had in Jersey playing in a stifling system.

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02-20-2012, 09:21 AM
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Im still more inclined to ship Michalek and his snow angels than martin. Martin at least has potential to be better, and was for most of last year.

Michalek on the other hand...we may as well have just paid scuderi 3.8 instead of Michalek 4. They're almost identical players and are both better served as bottom pair, shutdown guys. Not top4.

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With the way he's playing combined with his contract and history of high level production, there's not much we can do but put him in the bottom pairing, cross our fingers, and hope for the best. It doesn't make sense to trade him for peanuts, but nobody will want to give up anything meaningful for him, either. So unless he's part of some ridiculous blockbuster trade, he's stuck with the Pens for the rest of the season.

Question, are the Pens allowed to send him down to WBS? I know it would probably never happen, but is it technically feasible?

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If Markov is healthy by the end of the season, would Pittsburgh do a Kaberle for Martin swap? MAybe Pittsburgh adds a draft pick to even it up?

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Im still more inclined to ship Michalek and his snow angels than martin. Martin at least has potential to be better, and was for most of last year.

Michalek on the other hand...we may as well have just paid scuderi 3.8 instead of Michalek 4. They're almost identical players and are both better served as bottom pair, shutdown guys. Not top4.
At least Michaelek is currently worthwhile on the PK. He might not be playing the best ES hockey, but give him a good linemate like, say Despres playing at his early-season level, and I wouldn't worry too much.

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02-20-2012, 09:27 AM
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Would the Pens be open to a package including younger, less proven defensemen? I'm thinking that Theo Peckham is available and the Oilers would certainly offer him and something else for Martin.

edit - didn't realize he had a limited no trade clause. I'd be surprised if he waived it to go to a non-playoff team, especially a rebuilding one.

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02-20-2012, 09:36 AM
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His problems on the Pens are greatly exaggerated.

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02-20-2012, 09:39 AM
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Would the Pens be open to a package including younger, less proven defensemen? I'm thinking that Theo Peckham is available and the Oilers would certainly offer him and something else for Martin.

edit - didn't realize he had a limited no trade clause. I'd be surprised if he waived it to go to a non-playoff team, especially a rebuilding one.
Do not want Peckham. Guys a #7 on a rebuilding team. May as well move Martin for a 7th.

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I'd actually be interested in having Martin here in Washington if his cap hit wasn't so high.

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Martin is signed longer to more money. Komisarek becomes movable after this season when his actual salary drops to $3.5 over the next two seasons. Bad reputation or not, you'd rather have the cheaper, shorter contract not that I want either guy at those prices.
first, Martin is a way better defender than Komisarek right now. second, who cares about his salary? his caphit is 4.5 and that's all that matters. third, Martin's contract is only one year longer than Komoisarek's. the point is TML would do the swap without thinking twice.

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Would the Pens be open to a package including younger, less proven defensemen? I'm thinking that Theo Peckham is available and the Oilers would certainly offer him and something else for Martin.

edit - didn't realize he had a limited no trade clause. I'd be surprised if he waived it to go to a non-playoff team, especially a rebuilding one.
At least you didn't offer an overpaid offensive-minded vet under contract for 3 more years.

I sort of like Peckham (not for Martin) but he'd be pretty redundant in Pittsburgh with Engelland.

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02-20-2012, 10:18 AM
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If Markov is healthy by the end of the season, would Pittsburgh do a Kaberle for Martin swap? MAybe Pittsburgh adds a draft pick to even it up?
As bad as Martin has been I would prefer him over Kaberle, no thanks. And add a Pick really, for Thomas Kaberle?

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02-20-2012, 10:18 AM
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For Gonchar?

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02-20-2012, 10:22 AM
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For Gonchar?
This was discussed before on the pens board and not all jokingly

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This was discussed before on the pens board and not all jokingly
Gonchar has been better and on a much shorter contract... and more productive....

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There's too much sanity and logic in this post for it to get any notice here at HF.

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02-20-2012, 11:42 AM
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The Pens fan base is no different than any other -- we agree to disagree about many players. This isn't just Martin (or Michalek). Over the past 18 months we've had "X is great" vs. "X is crap" wars regarding most players on the Pens roster: Staal, Malkin, Neal, Orpik, Kennedy, Tangradi.. the only exceptions have probably been Letang and Crosby (and maybe Fleury although that's fairly recent, and Despres this year too).

That said, for now I'll just side with Jesus.

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Martin hasn't been that good offensively...but he hasn't had to be because Letang is amongst the best of the best offensive defensemen. Martin has been pretty good defensively, but nothing outstanding. He's never been a flashy guy. He's not half as bad as everybody on the forum makes him out to be. To the people who say they wouldn't deal Komisarek or Redden for him -- that's a complete joke. The only reason Pen fans want to dump Redden is because we don't need him anymore. Despres is ready to play and Martin's 5 million can be spent elsewhere.

So before this blows way out of proportion and people are all "lolz Martin so suxzors broski!11!" -- re-evaluate his play. 5 mil is not the best price tag for the guy, but look at a lot of the other horrible deals in the league. He's hardly the worst player making that kind of money.

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