all you have to do is get into the playoffs....you never know what can happen.....the dominant team with 4 solid lines and a vezna goalie doesnt always make it...sometimes a team gets hot...remember the oilers making the final after qualifying in the final playoff spot?...the flames made it after being 6th in the west.
the cardinals won the world series last year as a wildcard team....5 wildcard teams have won the super bowl.
all you need to do is get into the playoffs...anything can happen.
whats interesting is of the three teams fighting for the southeast i think winnipeg could be the best playoff team of the three. The problem with florida is we lack talent offensively and lack physicality (And lately arent showing any heart) the problem with washington is that they have key injuries and also lack heart.
Winnipeg is a big physical and good defending team which could mean success in the playoffs. I just want two SE teams to make it so we can shut the rest of the nhl up.
One game at a time, still a hard hill to climb just to get there.
Moar hockey. Any run is better than no run. Just go as deep as you can!
Yea I look at every day that we are right tracking towards the playoffs at this time of the year as a big + 1........we need to establish a culture of competeting for a playoff spot until the end of the season. A win streak here that gets us legitimately into the thick of it would be massive. this is how young players grow faster and teams pull together. Actually making the playoffs in this inagrual season would be a force multiplier for our teams development.
Would still like them to move Oduya as I don't think you lose to much swapping Oduya for one of Flood, Jones, Kulda, and the return you could get for him is crazy high right now with the prices Dmen are going for. Other than that maybe add a depth forward, Frolik maybe?? for a mid round draft pick. I think this team still needs to make major changes to be a serious contender but those moves can be made in the off-season.
Oduya is way ahead of Flood, Jones and Kulda. It's not like he's getting close to retirement and his play has dropped off, he's still in his prime and is a solid 3rd/4th defenseman who knows when the bring his offensive skills and when to stay back. It's possible they get a team to overpay for him but otherwise it's not worth trading him if he's willing to re-sign. If the return is a B-level prospect or a 2nd, you likely don't get a 2nd pairing D or the forward equivalent out of that. If he doesn't want to re-sign, then I'd agree you trade him for whatever you can get.
Oduya is way ahead of Flood, Jones and Kulda. It's not like he's getting close to retirement and his play has dropped off, he's still in his prime and is a solid 3rd/4th defenseman who knows when the bring his offensive skills and when to stay back. It's possible they get a team to overpay for him but otherwise it's not worth trading him if he's willing to re-sign. If the return is a B-level prospect or a 2nd, you likely don't get a 2nd pairing D or the forward equivalent out of that. If he doesn't want to re-sign, then I'd agree you trade him for whatever you can get.
I couldn't agree with this more.
It's easy to say that the benchers could match the play of Oduya, but if you saw them in everyday you'd see its not the case. Johnny has been excellent for us pretty much all season.
I'll be happy just getting in. Having said that, I'm with those saying that anything can happen once we get in. I feel like this team would be a scary one for a top seed to play. We've played well against good eastern teams like Philly and Boston and with Pavs in net, he can steal a series on his own.
It's crazy to think that it's late February and we can still be a playoff team or a lottery team. Other than Columbus and Edmonton, it's pretty bunched up among the bottom half of the league. My biggest fear is that we finish the best among the non-playoff teams.
I'll be pissed off if we don't sweep the final series for the Cup! That would just prove once and for all that Noel is an AHL coach and Chevy is an AHL GM!
It's easy to say that the benchers could match the play of Oduya, but if you saw them in everyday you'd see its not the case. Johnny has been excellent for us pretty much all season.
I'm still on board with trading Oduya. If he's the difference between us making or not making the playoffs (which I don't believe), then so be it. If this team can't get it done without relying on Oduya, then we're likely to be easy pickings anyways. I'd hate to miss the playoffs and keep Oduya at the same time and there's still a good chance of that happening.
I'll be pissed off if we don't sweep the final series for the Cup! That would just prove once and for all that Noel is an AHL coach and Chevy is an AHL GM!
I don't understand what your getting at here. Are you talking the finals or...
I'm still on board with trading Oduya. If he's the difference between us making or not making the playoffs (which I don't believe), then so be it.
I agree, if there's a good deal to be made right now that might not be there later grab it. In all likelihood, we're not making a push for the cup and Oduya shouldn't be a difference maker.
I don't understand what your getting at here. Are you talking the finals or...
I'm thinkin' he forgot to throw a sarcasm smilie in there... maybe this one
ICBW, but I read it as : Unless the Jets win the Cup with a sweep in the finals, he's saying all the naysayers that think Coach and Chevy are minor leaguers will be able to say "Told ya so!"
Realistically keeping Oduya is too risking for my liking. Even if we were to extend his contract, I don't think it's good management of our future Cap space to be paying our bottom pairing d-man 3+mil over a 3 year term (which I think he'll receive elsewhere). It'd be nice to make the playoffs this year, but we also have to think about the long term here. IMO Oduya is not in our long term plans. Worse case scenario is we keep him and still miss the playoffs. What do we do then?
IMO The best case scenario would be to trade Oduya for a NHL ready prospect + pick, then make the playoffs as the 3rd seed.
It would be great if we made the playoffs, or made a cup run.
It would also not break my heart if we missed the playoffs and got a decent pick.
I dunno - I think it would break my heart to miss the playoffs. I mean we aren't the Oilers fanbase, who have been in the cellar the entire season. Then I could more easily accept it. But it seems so close right now...
Edit: now me feeling heart broken isn't actually fair to the team - but that's how I'd feel.
To Paradise - 3 mil over three years for Oduya seems very manageable for the Jets right now. We have tons of cap space, he's a decent player, and a call up from the AHL isn't going to fill that hole - at least this year.
I'm not one to want to see the Jets go out and sign a megabucks 10 year plus contract with anybody, but a few mil here or there isn't the end of the world.
I dunno - I think it would break my heart to miss the playoffs. I mean we aren't the Oilers fanbase, who have been in the cellar the entire season. Then I could more easily accept it. But it seems so close right now...
Edit: now me feeling heart broken isn't actually fair to the team - but that's how I'd feel.
To Paradise - 3 mil over three years for Oduya seems very manageable for the Jets right now. We have tons of cap space, he's a decent player, and a call up from the AHL isn't going to fill that hole - at least this year.
I'm not one to want to see the Jets go out and sign a megabucks 10 year plus contract with anybody, but a few mil here or there isn't the end of the world.
It's the term I have issues with, plus you don't spend that type of money on a bottom pairing d-man. 3 years could be an issue with our big name's becoming UFA's and RFA's by then. I think he'll get a similar contract to Johnny Boychuk's. 3 years 9-10mil total.
I'm thinkin' he forgot to throw a sarcasm smilie in there... maybe this one
ICBW, but I read it as : Unless the Jets win the Cup with a sweep in the finals, he's saying all the naysayers that think Coach and Chevy are minor leaguers will be able to say "Told ya so!"
Realistically keeping Oduya is too risking for my liking. Even if we were to extend his contract, I don't think it's good management of our future Cap space to be paying our bottom pairing d-man 3+mil over a 3 year term (which I think he'll receive elsewhere). It'd be nice to make the playoffs this year, but we also have to think about the long term here. IMO Oduya is not in our long term plans. Worse case scenario is we keep him and still miss the playoffs. What do we do then?
IMO The best case scenario would be to trade Oduya for a NHL ready prospect + pick, then make the playoffs as the 3rd seed.
I agree with you completely on our depth chart he's ether 5th or 6th. While you do definitely lose something moving him if that's the difference between the Jets making and missing the play-off's then so be it. With the prices Dmen are going for right now I think its way more valuable to move him then it is to keep him. Replacing him on the FA market is also pretty easy and most likely doesn't cost a ton.
One game at a time, still a hard hill to climb just to get there.
Moar hockey. Any run is better than no run. Just go as deep as you can!
My thought is never be "satisfied"! If we are .500, shoot for .600! If we are 8th, strive for SE Division. This team has beaten most heavy hitters in the league, good enough is winning the last game you play each year after making the playoffs!
I don't know guys I respect the viewpoint of the posters who say get something out of Johnny and normally i would be all over that but this is also our first season and we are trying to establish a culture. Moves like flipping Johnny for a pick or a prospect doesn't happen in a vacuum and it sends a message to the team. Who else is out there right now dealing assets that is legitimately in a playoff race? I would prefer to be a buyer this spring as long as the moves made sense.
I would almost be willing to burn the trade value for Johnny O short term to send a message that we are all in for the playoff run this year and any other year we are in striking distance. If we hadn't won the last three in a row and if we didn't have this home stand I might make the move but right now based on where we are at I would rather let this season play out.
If Johnny gets flipped I get it and will be totally cool with it.....just saying how I feel and I am all about the future but think its another way to approach development of a young franchise.
I don't know guys I respect the viewpoint of the posters who say get something out of Johnny and normally i would be all over that but this is also our first season and we are trying to establish a culture. Moves like flipping Johnny for a pick or a prospect doesn't happen in a vacuum and it sends a message to the team. Who else is out there right now dealing assets that is legitimately in a playoff race? I would prefer to be a buyer this spring as long as the moves made sense.
I would almost be willing to burn the trade value for Johnny O short term to send a message that we are all in for the playoff run this year and any other year we are in striking distance. If we hadn't won the last three in a row and if we didn't have this home stand I might make the move but right now based on where we are at I would rather let this season play out.
If Johnny gets flipped I get it and will be totally cool with it.....just saying how I feel and I am all about the future but think its another way to approach development of a young franchise.
So is it enough to stand pat, to send that message? You know Toronto is going to bring someone in to try and shake their team out of that nosedive. What are the Jets going to do? It would be nice if Chevy could somehow make a move that says "we're going for it" without mortgaging the future.
So is it enough to stand pat, to send that message? You know Toronto is going to bring someone in to try and shake their team out of that nosedive. What are the Jets going to do? It would be nice if Chevy could somehow make a move that says "we're going for it" without mortgaging the future.
You are honestly not suggesting we use the TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS as a template for how to run a franchise?
I say if we are still in the thick of it by the trade deadline, we keep Johnny and see if we can peddle something for a scorer.
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