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11-02-2004, 04:07 PM
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Lundqvist found to be best goalie ever from Sweden (statistically)

Rangers goaltending prospect Henrik Lundqvist was recently the center of attention in Sweden's daily Expressen. The publication notes that Lundqvist's lifetime .928 save percentage is the best in the Swedish Elite League over the last 30 years, turning aside 3815 of 4108 total shots he has faced since 1999-00

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Rangers goaltending prospect Henrik Lundqvist was recently the center of attention in Sweden's daily Expressen. The publication notes that Lundqvist's lifetime .928 save percentage is the best in the Swedish Elite League over the last 30 years, turning aside 3815 of 4108 total shots he has faced since 1999-00
THats awsome. Can't wait till this guy comes to the nhl. (when there is one)

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I wouldn't read too much into this. Now, I like save percentage as a stat. I think it's a fairly good (though not perfect) indicator of a goalie's overall play, but save percentage numbers now aren't the same as they were 10 or even 5 years ago. It used to be that a .900+ save percentage was a decent starter, now anyone under .910 is considered subpar, with some goalies topping .925 regularly. That was unheard of 5 years ago.

So good for Lundqvist, but it means little to me.

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ur such a party pooper

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Can't wait to see what he can do on North Amarican ice.

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I wouldn't read too much into this. Now, I like save percentage as a stat. I think it's a fairly good (though not perfect) indicator of a goalie's overall play, but save percentage numbers now aren't the same as they were 10 or even 5 years ago. It used to be that a .900+ save percentage was a decent starter, now anyone under .910 is considered subpar, with some goalies topping .925 regularly. That was unheard of 5 years ago.

So good for Lundqvist, but it means little to me.

A .925 save percentage is found among top goaltenders in the NHL these days. I agree that .910 is considered average, anything less is subpar, but a CAREER save percentage of .928 is pretty impressive.

I realize this is the SEL and not the NHL, but by comparison, here are some NHL goalies' career save percentages:

Goalies who have entered the league recently...
Turco .922 (this is from a guy who set NHL records and has played on great defensive teams, his career GAA is 1.91)
Luongo .920
Cechmanek .919
Nabokov .915
Kiprusoff .914
Giguere .914

Goalies who have been around a while, when save %'s were lower...
Hasek .924 (wow)
Brodeur .912
Roy .910
Khabibulin .910
Richter .904

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What is the average...

goals against for the SEL compared to the NHL? Is it similar?

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A .925 save percentage is found among top goaltenders in the NHL these days. I agree that .910 is considered average, anything less is subpar, but a CAREER save percentage of .928 is pretty impressive.

I realize this is the SEL and not the NHL, but by comparison, here are some NHL goalies' career save percentages:

Goalies who have entered the league recently...
Turco .922 (this is from a guy who set NHL records and has played on great defensive teams, his career GAA is 1.91)
Luongo .920
Cechmanek .919
Nabokov .915
Kiprusoff .914
Giguere .914

Goalies who have been around a while, when save %'s were lower...
Hasek .924 (wow)
Brodeur .912
Roy .910
Khabibulin .910
Richter .904
Maybe I phrased it poorly. What I meant by some goalies topping .925 regularly was that in recent years, there's been some goalie that finished around that mark, be it Roy or Theodore or Turco. I agree that it's the top mark nowadays, but the point was that even 5 years ago that was pretty much unheard of. But really what I'm trying to say is that this stat has grown so much and so broadly over the past few years that it wouldn't be fair to compare a goalie today with a goalie that played 5-10 years ago, let alone 30.

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ur such a party pooper
Here's another one: even if Lundqvist is the best goalie Sweden has ever produced, that just means he's better than Tommy Salo.

Shooting down your hopes and dreams like ducks on my screen.

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Until he wins a Vezina trophy and leads his team to the Stanley Cup Finals, like a Swedish goalie before him has ... he's not number one.

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salo was pretty damn good at one point...he's just kinda crumbeled lately

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John's got a point, there was *one* great goalie who came out of Sweden.

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Is this part of a quiz?

did that 'one' great goalie drive his sports car into a brick wall by any chance?

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did that 'one' great goalie drive his sports car into a brick wall by any chance?
Yep.

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did that 'one' great goalie drive his sports car into a brick wall by any chance?

Oddly enough, Lundqvist is oft compared to this certain goalie and considered by some to be just as good or at the very least the best since him. And this isn't coming from Rangers fans but Swedes themselves. Anyone see the World Cup game when the fans cheered more for Lundqvist then almost any other play, Foppa and Sundin aside?

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You can make an argument for Lindbergh (or were we trying not to invoke his name?), but IMO it's really going to be based on "what if"s rather than what he actually accomplished. He was a good goalie who looked like he took his game up a few notches, but unfortunately he still only had that one really good year before the accident. If he could have strung together a few more elite seasons followed by a handful of very good seasons, then he would've been hands down the best Swedish goalie. That is, until Lundqvist comes to North America.

Interestingly enough, during Lindbergh's Vezina season (1984-85), his save % was .899.
http://www.flyershistory.com/cgi-bin...elle_Lindbergh

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GAA over 3.00...

think he had a gaudy win/loss record.

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