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[NAS]Suter for [TOR]Schenn on Draft Day

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02-20-2012, 04:47 AM
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[NAS]Suter for [TOR]Schenn on Draft Day

Just wondering what everyone would think about a trade involving L.Schenn going to Nashville for R.Suter. I also heard a lot of how Nashville is going to make its run this year. Also, adding Hal Gill is scary to play against Nashville... Happy I'm in the East.


The Leafs trade:
Luke Schenn

to Nashville for:
Rights to Ryan Suter
Conditional 1st 2013 (if he doesn't resign before UFA markets open)

Would this be a good draft day option?


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Makes no sense for Nashville at the deadline.
Makes no sense for Toronto at the draft.

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That first rounder is going in the wrong direction.

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Makes no sense for Nashville at the deadline.
Makes no sense for Toronto at the draft.
Makes sense.

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Just wondering what everyone would think about a trade involving L.Schenn going to Nashville for R.Suter. I also heard a lot of how Nashville is going to make its run this year. Also, adding Hal Gill is scary to play against Nashville... Happy I'm in the East.


The Leafs trade:
Luke Schenn

to Nashville for:
Ryan Suter
Conditional 1st 2013 (if he doesn't resign before UFA markets open)

Would this be a good draft day option?
Of all the overvaluing of Schenn around here this is pretty bad, like they would ever throw a pick on top of Ryan Suter, I don't even care if it was a conditional 7th rounder. Even just as a pure rental the Leafs have to add here and get no protection conditional picks coming back in the other direction, much less a first rounder.

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Suter is an elite defenseman, Schenn is average no way the Preds touch this.

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02-20-2012, 05:18 AM
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Of all the overvaluing of Schenn around here this is pretty bad, like they would ever throw a pick on top of Ryan Suter, I don't even care if it was a conditional 7th rounder. Even just as a pure rental the Leafs have to add here and get no protection conditional picks coming back in the other direction, much less a first rounder.
Did you miss the point about it being a DRAFT DAY OPTION. This would only give the leafs the ability to sign him in a matter of 1 week. There would be no team that would trade a 22 year NHL-caliber player with high potential without a conditional pick.


All Mats got was future consideration when his rights were traded to the Canadiens.


I'll go back and edit "Rights to Ryan Suter" to avoid confusion.

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No negotiated extension? Then the Leafs are getting burned hard here.
Negotiated extension? The Preds are getting burned hard here.

Makes no sense.

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Of all the overvaluing of Schenn around here this is pretty bad, like they would ever throw a pick on top of Ryan Suter, I don't even care if it was a conditional 7th rounder. Even just as a pure rental the Leafs have to add here and get no protection conditional picks coming back in the other direction, much less a first rounder.
Suter wouldn't even be a rental. The Leafs would be giving up an important part of their future for a few days of negotiating rights for a player they would have no chance of actually signing. They would basically be giving Luke Schenn away for free.

Terrible proposal all around.


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Did you miss the point about it being a DRAFT DAY OPTION. This would only give the leafs the ability to sign him in a matter of 1 week. There would be no team that would trade a 22 year NHL-caliber player with high potential without a conditional pick.


All Mats got was future consideration when his rights were traded to the Canadiens.


I'll go back and edit "Rights to Ryan Suter" to avoid confusion.
Alright my bad, read it as a deadline, but would you rather revisit at the draft if not at the deadline. Guess it doesn't really matter I don't think it makes sense for either side with it switching on who is getting the raw end of the deal depending on when it happened. I don't think Suter is signing in Toronto. So the Leafs come out big losers in the draft day proposal.

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So nashville gets **** and even gives the pick toronto adds next 10 1st rounders and its maybe a deal

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Suter wouldn't even be a rental. The Leafs would be giving up an important part of their future for a few days of negotiating rights for a player they would have no chance of actually signing. They would basically be giving Luke Schenn away for free

Terrible proposal all around.
As you can see from the first series of comments it seemed like it was a deadline deal or draft deal, hence people throwing bad at the deadline, then it was edited. Not that I really care, Schenn is worth more than just one middle round pick because of his age and potential. But it seems most of Leafs nation thinks the kid walks around on Lake Ontario in his free time and should deliver all-stars with just him and a first rounder heading in the other direction.


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The Leafs would be foolish to do something like this.

Ryan Suter is a great defenceman, no doubt about it; but if the Leafs want him, they'd be better off just trying to get him on July 1st and not risk losing two young, valuable, and affordable assets.

Way too risky. Not to mention that whoever signs him will very likely be paying through the nose for his services and that is something that the Leafs may not be able to handle when their other more pressing needs are also taken into consideration.


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As a Preds fan, i'd do it.

By the draft, Polie will probably know if Suter plans on resigning or not. If so, he'd probably already have done it.

If not, there's not much of a better option than landing a young high upside defenseman like Schenn for what amounts to something like 10 days of negotiating rights to a player you won't sign anyway.

Why does Toronto do this? I don't see anyone offering much more than a couple picks for negotiating rights, Toronto would blow the market away with that offer.

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It is an overpayment, that would only happen with a first going the other way at the trade deadline, to actually make a run that Nashville wouldn't allow. I feel that watching the Leafs this season, we are definetly missing a strong #1 defenseman that Suter would provide and what Leaf fans can only hope Schenn becomes.

I will admit that I don't watch to many Nashville games to understand what Suter brings to the table that Trotz system and Rinne performance might help over-inflate hit numbers.

To sum up, I feel the Leafs have 1 defenseman that is a #2, 6 defenseman that would be #3-4, and 1 defenseman that is a #7.

This could all be because of the style of play Ron Wilson delivers though.

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Just wondering what everyone would think about a trade involving L.Schenn going to Nashville for R.Suter. I also heard a lot of how Nashville is going to make its run this year. Also, adding Hal Gill is scary to play against Nashville... Happy I'm in the East.


The Leafs trade:
Luke Schenn

to Nashville for:
Rights to Ryan Suter
Conditional 1st 2013 (if he doesn't resign before UFA markets open)

Would this be a good draft day option?
TO does not do it---Schenn is signed long term and suter is a soon to be UFA. For 12 days in hand on other teams--the asking price would be a lot less.

Nashville has more cap space then TO and if Suter terms are reasonable--they would sign him

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Schenn, Kadri for Suter w/ a contract

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Just wondering what everyone would think about a trade involving L.Schenn going to Nashville for R.Suter. I also heard a lot of how Nashville is going to make its run this year. Also, adding Hal Gill is scary to play against Nashville... Happy I'm in the East.


The Leafs trade:
Luke Schenn

to Nashville for:
Rights to Ryan Suter
Conditional 1st 2013 (if he doesn't resign before UFA markets open)

Would this be a good draft day option?
The bolded is my favorite part. So if he signs with the leafs on July 1st, you get Suter and the 1st?

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Schenn, Kadri for Suter w/ a contract
problem with that is, if Suter will sign a contract while he's still with Nashville.. he will be staying with Nashville.

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Nashville would take this and run.

If Suter doesn't sign by the draft he'll hit free agency before signing in Nashville. That means the Preds would be either getting Schenn for free (if Suter signs in TO) or for a pick in the second half of the first round.

If Burke wants Suter, he's much better just waiting until July 1 and trying to sign him than giving up Schenn

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problem with that is, if Suter will sign a contract while he's still with Nashville.. he will be staying with Nashville.
It would be like the Kessel deal. He agreed to an extension with the Leafs before the deal was done. So it's not really Suter with a contract, it's Suter with the agreement that he'll sign the contract as soon as he's Leafs property.

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I've seen some bad Leafs proposals but this one may take the cake.

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I can't see why TO would do this. The issue with signing Suter hasn't been money-- reportedly the two sides are in relative agreement about that, it's about Suter feeling like Nashville is committed\the best place to win.

I don't see why Toronto would be a more attractive destination from that perspective. Nothing against the city, team or its history-- but on-ice, Nashville is a better team year in and year out, and is likely much "closer" than Toronto

If Suter leaves Nashville, it's not to sign in Toronto, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Columbus--all places I've seen fanbases clamoring. It's Detroit or Philly.

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I can't see why TO would do this. The issue with signing Suter hasn't been money-- reportedly the two sides are in relative agreement about that, it's about Suter feeling like Nashville is committed\the best place to win.

I don't see why Toronto would be a more attractive destination from that perspective. Nothing against the city, team or its history-- but on-ice, Nashville is a better team year in and year out, and is likely much "closer" than Toronto

If Suter leaves Nashville, it's not to sign in Toronto, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Columbus--all places I've seen fanbases clamoring. It's Detroit or Philly.
Nashville is certainly the better team right now, but the big question is, are they committed to spending the money required to be a winner?

Now, I'm certainly not saying that TO should be a first choice destination, but going there you at least know they're not going to skimp on spending money. And I'd like to think that a rock solid defensive dman like Suter would go a *long* way to making the Leafs a contender.

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