Isles have to win the next 3 games before the trade deadline after this afternoon's clunker to stay in contention.
if they don't they should be sellers next Monday and continue the rebuild.
thought?
I think that if they wanted to make a serious push for the playoffs, they would have already made a move. They'll see what they are offered for whoever and if the right deal isn't in place, they will do nothing of importance. I would not expect any try for an impact player until FA market opens.
They were never going to make a move, be it trading picks or prospects, for an impact player help with the playoff push. Perhaps if they were with in the top 8 GMG might have thought about it (on a minor scale) but on the outside looking in I really don't think they were going to do anything.
As for selling and "continuing the rebuild"... Who are they actually going to sell off? Our forward UFA's are:
Rolston- Absolutely useless, there's no team out there that would even give up a 500th round pick in 2021 for him.
Pandolfo- Don't see a team giving up anything for him.
P.A. Parenteau- There's the whole movement to try and re-sign him after this season and has been a top contributor to this team.. I wouldn't move him.
Tim Wallace- AHL player, no value.
Defensemen:
Eaton- There's the thread on his availability here. If he can be moved move him.. Don't buy that much will be had.
Jurcina- Could be moved but really don't think they will move him.
Staois- Don't see much to be had.
Reese & Mottau- Injury and AHL player.
Nabby- Don't think he's going to be moved.. It's a buyers market for goalies.
The thing is this teams veterans are absolute crap there's really nothing to sell off worth anything.
Seller: New York Islanders – They may be last in their division by a mile, but by trading some veterans they could acquire prospects and draft picks who within a few years could develop into the veterans who are traded for prospects and draft picks because the Islander are last in their division by a mile.
We are sellers. The last three games have proven that beyond a doubt.
Just hope Snow has gotten the memo...
I just don't want to lose. We start selling, we're done.
Just because we lost the last few games before the deadline doesn't mean we should sell off everyone that's not coming back/can get us a good chunk of prospects in return. That's not going to help us win. I think keeping everyone and attempting to win hockey games for the rest of the season would be great for the team's mentality going into next season. Especially the core of guys like JT, Moulson, Okposo, AMac, Hamonic, Grabner, Nielsen, etc. I mean obviously screw guys like Rolston and Reasoner, I'm going to make that clear.
I'm all for getting value, but I'm more for winning NOW. Not next season, now. I'm sick of draft parties, I'm sick of rebuilding, I'm sick of selling. Let's ****ing win games already and get to the ****ing playoffs.
I just don't want to lose. We start selling, we're done.
Just because we lost the last few games before the deadline doesn't mean we should sell off everyone that's not coming back/can get us a good chunk of prospects in return. That's not going to help us win. I think keeping everyone and attempting to win hockey games for the rest of the season would be great for the team's mentality going into next season. Especially the core of guys like JT, Moulson, Okposo, AMac, Hamonic, Grabner, Nielsen, etc. I mean obviously screw guys like Rolston and Reasoner, I'm going to make that clear.
I'm all for getting value, but I'm more for winning NOW. Not next season, now. I'm sick of draft parties, I'm sick of rebuilding, I'm sick of selling. Let's ****ing win games already and get to the ****ing playoffs.
This team is not built for playing in the playoffs, much less attempting to make it. Today's game proved that, once again.
We sell while value is high to improve upon next year's club. They are close, but it all depends on whether Snow is competent enough to once again fill the holes properly instead of finding more ****.
Unless Grabner has been playing hurt and it has negatively effected his ability to score this year, it would appear that Snow jumped the gun with his 5 year signing.
IDK for sure, but Grabner may be a one trick pony, a circus act that has had his trick taken away from him.
If all he can do is jump on breakaways then he is useless as a hockey player and has no place on this or any other NHL team. Even now his lack of finish is Claude LaPointe like, and he is not getting nearly the chances he had last year.
Besides that, he does nothing else that a NHL forward is expected to do on the ice. he just floats around the perimeter waiting for the puck to come to him or for that breakaway pass.
If he is not playing injured I am ready to explore what we can get for him on the trade market.
I just don't want to lose. We start selling, we're done.
Sorry, but you're obviously going to be seeing this one way or the other, whether we keep these guys or not.
It'd be thoroughly irresponsible of Snow as a GM to sit in a seller's market with two or three highly valued assets that he has no guarantee of being able to resign just to spend the last 24 games of the season being MAYBE a .500 club heading towards a playoff-less spring.
Utterly irresponsible.
In short, if he didn't want this team being in this position at this point, he could have easily done much better at altering the scenario LAST SUMMER, if not in the fall.
Fact is, he let players walk for nothing (Hillen, Martinek, Konopka), did not sign adequate replacements, and found a way to lose an underachieving 24 goal scorer to the waiver wire. The poor, poor asset management would at least have been understandable if these guys were being adequately replaced via trades/free agency.
Instead we're seeing a team that gets almost no scoring from lines 3 and 4 despite those lines in no way, shape or form being shutdown lines. It is a CATASTROPHE to have lines that only pot 5 goals all season long, yet feature three guys with over -10 ratings. Those kind of lines simply cannot be on the ice for goals against. In addition, the 2nd line does not feature the scoring necessary of a team that has playoff aspirations.
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Just because we lost the last few games before the deadline doesn't mean we should sell off everyone that's not coming back/can get us a good chunk of prospects in return. That's not going to help us win.
Actually, it kind of does.
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I'm all for getting value, but I'm more for winning NOW. Not next season, now. I'm sick of draft parties, I'm sick of rebuilding, I'm sick of selling. Let's ****ing win games already and get to the ****ing playoffs.
Again, if we're not winning with these players, then a GM must approach things from a business standpoint.
Anything else is just further failure. He failed to get this team what it needed last summer/fall.
In addition, as far as I'm concerned, Snow has been anything but above-average in handling trade deadlines in recent years.
I give him good marks for the Smyth, Guerin and Campoli trades, but having tradeable assets in a losing season simply play out the end string, walk away after the season and then not get replaced adequately is nothing but a step backwards.
After yesterday's game, which I didn't see, and didn't really have to see, I am completely over the playoff silliness. Completely disheartening. This team just pisses me off!
The real failure will be if they don't do anything to prepare for next season and attempt to roll this .500 team again.
Im sorry but bringing back Trent Hunter and re-signing Rolston is definitely doing something and you know Garth has his mind on veteran leadership and character
Im sorry but bringing back Trent Hunter and re-signing Rolston is definitely doing something and you know Garth has his mind on veteran leadership and character
If this were any other organization, I'd feel confident that you're joking.
I agree. Isles keep looking liek theyre gonna wina few ina row but they dont, its annoying. Every team no matter how good or bad always has one or 2 or more 4-5 game win streaks a season.. except the Isles. We need like 4-5 ina row so badly.
We got lucky yesterday and the day before... somehow after that abomination yesterday, we can still be 4 back of 8th after tonight... We have had so many golden opportunities to get close, now its time to do it.
IF the Isles lose tonight I think we need to consider becoming sellers lol. Why? Cause aftertonight we play the Rangers, Sens, Capitals, Flyers, Bruins, Devils 3 times, Rangers, Caps, Flyer
Thats an unbelievably tough schedule. If were not within 4points before that stretch starts, it will be near impossible, because I cannot see us making up any ground in that stretch even if we beat the Caps twice and the Sens. If we get within 4 tonight though? Then maintaint hat 4 point margin until the end of that stretch? Then we have 11 games to make up 4 points. It seems tough, but the schedule is Habs, Leafs, Lightning, Panthers, PEnguins twice, Bruins, Senators, Devils, Jets, Blue Jackets,
THat That final 11 games, if this team has the heart, can win 8 or 9 of those final 11 games.
Thats why we must take advantage now. If we slip to 8 points back at any point before the deadline, we must sell.
IF we can win tonight, and maintain the close proximity to 8th? We gotta keep believing, make a run,a nd even add a piece or 2 at the deadline
If this were any other organization, I'd feel confident that you're joking.
I feel confident that its true!!! There is no doubt in my mind that Garth will bring back Trent Hunter for his cap hit and give Rolston a 1 year 1.5 million. You see Garth does know what hes doing.. He is riding the wave till it all ends. He knows he has job security with Wang so let me bring my friends along for the ride. He saw that years ago and thats why he went to Wang and begged for a chance to be his GM. Put me in boss - ill do whatever you tell me and let me build through the draft with solid picks. Garth sold Wang a vision of the future that cost alot less then what Neil Smith wanted
I feel confident that its true!!! There is no doubt in my mind that Garth will bring back Trent Hunter for his cap hit and give Rolston a 1 year 1.5 million. You see Garth does know what hes doing.. He is riding the wave till it all ends. He knows he has job security with Wang so let me bring my friends along for the ride. He saw that years ago and thats why he went to Wang and begged for a chance to be his GM. Put me in boss - ill do whatever you tell me and let me build through the draft with solid picks. Garth sold Wang a vision of the future that cost alot less then what Neil Smith wanted
If Brian Rolston is back with this organization in any way, shape, or form next year, I will never set foot in the Coliseum again
Then we have 11 games to make up 4 points. It seems tough, but the schedule is Habs, Leafs, Lightning, Panthers, PEnguins twice, Bruins, Senators, Devils, Jets, Blue Jackets,
THat That final 11 games, if this team has the heart, can win 8 or 9 of those final 11 games.
i really dont see that happening.
they just lost to montreal.
they just got swept in a home and home by toronto.
they just got blown out ( at home ) by ottawa.
We are sellers. The last three games have proven that beyond a doubt.
Just hope Snow has gotten the memo...
You beat me to it. It would take a massive change in team complexion to make anyone think they have a chance. They proved just how bad they really are once teams take them seriously. It is time to sell.
You beat me to it. It would take a massive change in team complexion to make anyone think they have a chance. They proved just how bad they really are once teams take them seriously. It is time to sell.
You never know with this Islander team. What happens if they blow out the Sabres 6-0? Anything's possible for one game.
