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Are you kidding me. No way is OTT worth a 1st, LET ALONE a mid prospect along with that, sellers market or not.
Fisher got a 1st+ last year. Ott could very well get the same. And he is cheaper and younger. He doesn't have quite the same offensive numbers but they are similar and he makes up for it in other ways.
I was kind of thinking Ott, Robidas for Raymond, Ballard, Rodin, Van 2nd.
Too much from Vancouver's end. Ballard has been much better this season than last and is probably a better dman at this point than Robidas, not to mention much younger. Sure Ballard is a #5 in Vancouver but so is Robidas...
This is a seller's market after all. That means Raymond garners a 1st and a good prospect and Ballard garners at least that much. If Ballard is made available he's likely the best dman to move at the deadline.
So essentially you're proposing 2 1st rd picks, a 2nd rd pick and 3 good prospects for Ott and Robidas. That's WAY too much when you consider the cap hits attached to those 2 Stars players.
Raymond and Ballard for Ott and Robidas is already an overpayment on the Canucks end - though they would probably seriously look at it because Robidas is a RH shot, ride side guy and Ott is better suited to the bottom 6 than Raymond.
Does anyone believe the strained relationship between Tom Gaglardi and the Aquilini's would have any influence on the Canucks and Dallas making a trade?
Too much from Vancouver's end. Ballard has been much better this season than last and is probably a better dman at this point than Robidas, not to mention much younger. Sure Ballard is a #5 in Vancouver but so is Robidas...
This is a seller's market after all. That means Raymond garners a 1st and a good prospect and Ballard garners at least that much. If Ballard is made available he's likely the best dman to move at the deadline.
So essentially you're proposing 2 1st rd picks, a 2nd rd pick and 3 good prospects for Ott and Robidas. That's WAY too much when you consider the cap hits attached to those 2 Stars players.
Raymond and Ballard for Ott and Robidas is already an overpayment on the Canucks end - though they would probably seriously look at it because Robidas is a RH shot, ride side guy and Ott is better suited to the bottom 6 than Raymond.
Ott and Robidas' cap hits aren't that outrageous, combined they make about as much as Raymond and Ballard. In fact, Ott and Robidas' cap hits are 200k less than Raymond and Ballard. Marginal, but something. The trade fills a need for both teams, honestly. Canucks get a better (and signed) bottom 6er and a cheaper bottom pair D-man who can step up... Dallas gets a top 4 D-man and a young forward who deserves more ice time but is an RFA to be and might crunch the Canucks' cap next year. And I do think Ott+Robidas > Raymond+Ballard but only by a pick/prospect margin.
@DrunkenCanucker: Does anyone believe the strained relationship between Tom Gaglardi and the Aquilini's would have any influence on the Canucks and Dallas making a trade?
It really depends on how much they actually hate each other. I doubt either owner wants to make the other team better, but a swap of guys like this might be beneficial to both teams. After all, it is a business. All about compromise...
I was kind of thinking Ott, Robidas for Raymond, Ballard, Rodin, Van 2nd.
I'd easily hang up the phone.
Ott/Raymond are near equal value. At most the Canucks would have to a mid level pick/prospect.
Robidas/Ballard is a wash, a lateral move at best. Why move a 3rd pairing LD for a 3rd pairing RD. The Canucks could use Robidas as an additional defensemen though I don't like the term. Valuewise there isn't much difference here.
I see no reason that the Canucks would have to add a 2nd and Rodin here. I could not see it taking Raymond + Rodin/2nd for Ott or Ballard + Rodin/2nd for Robidas. That just seems ridiculous to me.
I'm flabbergasted with the possibility of an agreeable trade with Ballard and Raymond that includes big pieces going both ways, and it works for both teams and fills a lot of needs. Get it done, goshdarnit. I'm liking the variant Raymond/Ballard/Rodin for Ott/Robidas a lot. Robidas' contract value for the next two season is $6,4mil while Ballard for the next 3 is $12,6mil. That little extra is better spent on Edler's next contract. Helps us keep our core group together a little longer. And Ott I think could become a part of that core, while I think Raymond shouldn't.
Come playoff time, we can also add Reinprecht and Tanev to our ranks. Nice. It would also end the flood of Ballard/Raymond proposals, and that's some nice added value right there.
I'm flabbergasted with the possibility of an agreeable trade with Ballard and Raymond that includes big pieces going both ways, and it works for both teams and fills a lot of needs. Get it done, goshdarnit. I'm liking the variant Raymond/Ballard/Rodin for Ott/Robidas a lot. Robidas' contract value for the next two season is $6,4mil while Ballard for the next 3 is $12,6mil. That little extra is better spent on Edler's next contract. Helps us keep our core group together a little longer. And Ott I think could become a part of that core, while I think Raymond shouldn't.
Come playoff time, we can also add Reinprecht and Tanev to our ranks. Nice. It would also end the flood of Ballard/Raymond proposals, and that's some nice added value right there.
What is really interesting is the ability to move Ott up to the first line if the Sedins start becoming punching bags again. Or placing him on Kesler's line to give some more push on the forecheck. The line combinations could be a helluva lot of fun to see from now till playoffs if we could somehow pull this off...
Though typically proposed trades never seem to materialize.
Are you kidding me. No way is OTT worth a 1st, LET ALONE a mid prospect along with that, sellers market or not.
He's not worth that much because you said so without any reason besides "because"?
Look at what Dominic Moore got. Moore is an average-above average third liner with a bit experience, and he got a second round pick. He's not exactly your prototypical hard to play against third liner.
Steve Ott is an excellent or even elite third liner who solidifies shutdown roles. Look at Dave Bolland, likely the best third liner in the league. What do you think he would ge in a trade? Likely a first round pick and a top prospect, possibly more.
Steve Ott of course is not Dave Bolland,but he's in the highest echelon of third liners. If the interest is there, Steve Ott could definitely get a 1st round pick and a mid level prospect. Mid level prospects are a dime a dozen, guys like Akim Aliu ect. Vancouver's pick will likely be 25-30th overall. Is Steve Ott and another pick/prospect worth 30th overall and Anton Rondin or Kevin Connauton? Probably.
In a sellers market where very few teams are selling, and a market in where someone is a hot and much sought after commodity, will teams pay top price for an excellent third liner? Yes they will. Does Ott fit those three criteria? It's a sellers market? Check. Strong, tough to play against forwards with some offense and strong defensive/physical skills is a sought after commodity? Check. Ott falls into the player type previously menitoned? Check.
If teams want Ott, I have no doubt Ott could get a 1st round pick and another mid level asset.
I was kind of thinking Ott, Robidas for Raymond, Ballard, Rodin, Van 2nd.
DropRodin and you'd have my attention. I'd honestly prefer someone like Fistric (I know, I know) be included if we're giving up Rodin. He represents a significant investment so far from the Canucks, and is rated as one of our top prospects. We aren't shipping him out for the difference between Ott and Robidas versus Raymond and Ballard.
Ott for Raymond still seems to work for some/most of us, or at least me, and we can acquire a Dman later. If the difference between Ballard and Robidas is Rodin and a second, I'd rather keep Ballard. His reinvention as a bottom pairing Dman is showing, as our team's defense hasn't been the same since he was injured. He isn't just a cap dump for us.
