So, again, an asset -regardless of the amount he'll get back- for an bad contract.
How many times do I gotta say this, what makes you think Kaberle is worthless? He isn't the player he was with the Canes. I have even given the example of the Zidlicky rumour, where the devils are rumoured to be interested in, Zidlikcy is just as bad defensively as Kaberle but has no more offense, if a team like the devils are interested in someone like Zidlikcy I bet they would much rather have Kaberle even with the extra year and the 250k.
I have started to like Gauthier and if they choose to keep him, I won't even be mad.
If they can find someone BETTER, go ahead.. but finding someone better is not as easy as many of you think. There's still a chance that the next GM would be worse (e.g. Bob Gainey during his midget shopping spree) and I'm not sure I want to take that risk when the current GM is not as bad as people here portray him.
Lebrun knows nothing....he is basically just another Eklund who creates rumours about the Habs to get attention.....it never turns out to be true!!
Gaulthier has done a fine job. He has brought in players with size, freed up cap space and gotten assets in return for our UFA's. I have no problem with him keeping his job.
People need to stop jumping the gun and be more patient. GM's and management can't make changes to a team and see the results immediately...it takes time and we have to give him that time. Nothing he's done so far has hurt the team. He still has work to do and I wanna see what he can do.
Lebrun is the most connected journalist as far as hockey in North America.
The Habs are full of good young players, Gauthier has done a great job.
Why should he be fired because he made the decision to re-sign their best possible option on defence and hope that the doctors were right about when he'd be okay to play?
Seems stupid.
Mostly for decision like, Campoli, Trading for Kaberle firing a assistant coach hours before a game, waiting to long to fire the head coach, procrastinating with making a decision on Gomez (who he had a hand in bringing in)
The only decent move he's made was Cammalleri for Bourque and a 2nd but had he waited for the deadline I'm sure he would have gotten more.
And at this point, the 8th place team is in a battle for mediocrity. Chances are the 8th place team will not be amongst the best 8 teams, but the best of the incredible weak. And if we can't even achieve that, with everything that Gauthier decided to do this year for this NOT to happen, and based on history as well as assistant GM and pro scout and his relation with Gainey, this has to stop. Neither of those guys can stay. And clearly if Gauthier stays, chances are he won't ask Gainey to step down. Time we change our tune. From going much better than the Houle days, than much wrost than 2, 3 or 4 years ago.
Team MIGHT have a great future based on all the defense prospects we have. And some forwards as well. Yet, I have no problem thanking PG even if he doesn't work for us anymore. Happens to a lot of teams that the ex-GM get some congratulations when they are not in place. Should happen with us.
If you measure a GM on his moves that actually improve your team, its hard to give Gauthier the green light.
He fires Pearn, the PP gets worse and the team worse.
He fires Martin, the team gets worse.
He acquires Kaberle, the team and PP gets worse.
The team struggles winning faceoffs, his solution is Nokie who wasnt used to win key faceoffs.
Cammalleri starting to pick it up for Calgary, Bourque a complete non factor since he arrived.
The team has gotten closer n closer to the bottom of the league the more moves he has made. There isnt a single move he has made that actually resulted in tangible team results. What the future holds, none of us know however his moves to date have not worked out for the team as a whole. Really Cole is the only thing good thats been done.
If you measure a GM on his moves that actually improve your team, its hard to give Gauthier the green light.
He fires Pearn, the PP gets worse and the team worse.
He fires Martin, the team gets worse.
He acquires Kaberle, the team and PP gets worse.
The team struggles winning faceoffs, his solution is Nokie who wasnt used to win key faceoffs.
Cammalleri starting to pick it up for Calgary, Bourque a complete non factor since he arrived.
The team has gotten closer n closer to the bottom of the league the more moves he has made. There isnt a single move he has made that actually resulted in tangible team results.
The only think that is right in your list is the fact that the firing of Martin did not improve the team.
How many times do I gotta say this, what makes you think Kaberle is worthless? He isn't the player he was with the Canes. I have even given the example of the Zidlicky rumour, where the devils are rumoured to be interested in, Zidlikcy is just as bad defensively as Kaberle but has no more offense, if a team like the devils are interested in someone like Zidlikcy I bet they would much rather have Kaberle even with the extra year and the 250k.
Watching Kaberle play defense tonight. He actually touched a Stars player who was on the boards. Not hit him. Touched him.
People complains about PG not telling to which team Gill/spacek were traded.
You just dont want to have PG anymore. you are finding reason to kick him out.
Even if we get Stamkos for a 2nd round pick, people will complain
the last trade hurt the haters so they found a detail to feed themselves
If we were in playoff contention and were griping about Gauthier, then yes, we would be haters.
Look at tonight's game. Look at this team. This is Gauthier's ideal of what an NHL team should look like.
And then look at the standings and realize no playoffs for us this year.
The PP was as bad , as well as the team before the trade for Kaberle.
Noke is a borderline NHL player. A 13th forwrd at best.
Bertween 25th and 29th, it's a matter of decimal. + They had played a handful of games under pearn vs a lot of games since then.
Bourque is as much a non factor as Cammy was. AT least he is using his shouldfers and can kill penalties.
so as you admit, the numbers show the team being worse. Thanks for coming out. Guess it wasnt bs now that you admit it or just simply wrong from the get go.
and btw, Cammy was used on Mtl PK, you know the one that is best in the league.
so as you admit, the numbers show the team being worse. Thanks for coming out. Guess it wasnt bs now that you admit it or just simply wrong from the get go.
and btw, Cammy was used on Mtl PK, you know the one that is best in the league.
The PP did get worse and so did the team since Kaberle was acquired
How has Bourque been much of a factor?
Nokie wasnt used for key faceoffs despite that being his only strength.
The PP actually did drop from around 25th when Pearn was fired to 28-29
So how is that BS. But dont let the actual facts and stats get in your way.
The PP problems aren't at the point, when is the last time you saw a nice play on the PP originate anywhere but at the point?
Most teams don't spend every second of every PP with the puck at the point, if you want point shots on net you need at least a threat of offense down low.
What's this obsession with his contract? You'd think he has a 7.5 mil cap hit haering people talk about it.
You ask us why we don't like the contract, we tell you, then you say we're obsessed... Dude, it's just a flat out bad deal.
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He makes less than Mike freaking Komisarek!
Great, you've proven that Syphilis is worse than Herpes. Good work. Personally, I'd rather have neither one of them.
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He isn't great defensively but neither is J-M Liles and kaberle is much better than him WITH the puck. Go look at Capgeek there are a pile of d-men that are on par or worse than him making 4 mil or more.
Who cares?
There was no reason to add this guy other than a desperate attempt to get the last playoff spot. It wasn't a move that will get us closer to a cup and it was shortsighted. Stop trying to put lipstick on the pig. It's a pig. Get over it.
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Your assumptions are flat out wrong. What do you want me to say?
What I'd like to you to say is:
"Geez, I've been defending the club no matter what it does. I'm no different that those Beleafers I like to make fun of. Why have I been drinking the Crazy Juice? Maybe I should open my eyes and stop being a puppet. Holy smokes... Kaberle actually was a terrible trade!"
That would be a good start.
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I'd love to see all this "veering all over the place". To my knowledge he was giving JM the team JM would work with. Also the soap opera is not at all the Habs' fault, it's the **** media we have - which only further's my EXCUSES.
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How many times do I gotta say this, what makes you think Kaberle is worthless?
He's old, can't play D, sucks up a big cap hit, has two years left, is soft as butter and is past the point of being anything other than a PP specialist. At this point, he's pretty useless.
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He isn't the player he was with the Canes. I have even given the example of the Zidlicky rumour, where the devils are rumoured to be interested in, Zidlikcy is just as bad defensively as Kaberle but has no more offense, if a team like the devils are interested in someone like Zidlikcy I bet they would much rather have Kaberle even with the extra year and the 250k.
Great, they can have him.
Look, if TK can be had somewhere then I'm all for it. I don't see why another club would want him but if we can dump him somewhere that would be great. I just don't expect any kind of return and we shouldn't be demanding one. Let somebody take him off our hands. Maybe he can help out their PP. That's the only reason another club would want him. Maybe the Kings (who inexplicably can't score at all this year) are just desperate enough to take a flyer on him. And if that's the case... great. Get a 4th rounder and move on.
Any rational observer would think Gauthier is let go after the disaster it has been this year and the owner's failed push to get playoff revenue. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he somehow returns...might have to do with lack of a better option... but I wouldn't count on it.
The PP problems aren't at the point, when is the last time you saw a nice play on the PP originate anywhere but at the point?
Most teams don't spend every second of every PP with the puck at the point, if you want point shots on net you need at least a threat of offense down low.
And whose responsibility is it to get a threat of offense down low?
And while I'm surprised how good Leblanc is, how can you say he has more potential than Eller?
OK, I wasn't even counting Palushaj because he is an injury callup, and I forgot about Weber. I do consider Leblanc to have more potential than Eller. He is 2 years younger and is beginning to produce quicker than Eller did.
To me it's as simple as this. Any Management/Coaching staff that guide the Montreal Canadiens to a bottom 7-8 season should all be fired. Unless they are a new staff that have just taken over from a previous staff that has just been fired, then they need time to get the job done. This team has been an embarrassment to their fans this year. Gainey, Gauthier Cunneyworth should all be gone at the end of the season.
