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02-20-2012, 11:56 PM
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Sign Dorsett !!

I'm of the opinion that Prospal AND Dorsett deserve contracts next year. 10 goals from a scrapper? 177 PIMS. 5 Ast. 94 shots.

Dorsett, has been without question, the hardest working Bluejacket this year. If they truly are going nuclear, you could do worse than building your team around guys like Prospal and Dorsett.

Even if you're not going nuclear, Dorsett is in my opinion, a huge upgrade from Pahlsson.

Where are we with Dorsett? Who's in charge around here?

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Howson will sign Dorsett to a stupid contract probably.

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02-21-2012, 12:07 AM
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I'd be happy with 1.333/year for 1, 2, or 3 years.

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I'd be happy with 1.333/year for 1, 2, or 3 years.
Dorse, is that you?? LOL

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Dorsett will sign the 5yr/10m contract with one hand, and fistbump Mike and Scott with the other.

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More than happy to report that we're halfway there. Prospal, much to the surprise (and delight) of everyone here, re-signed a couple weeks ago:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1101503

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02-21-2012, 09:47 AM
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Where are we with Dorsett?
Who cares. He's a RFA. There is no hurry.

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I'd like to see both Dorse and TMac re-signed. Both are hard palying, hard skating, pay attention to details type of guys. They are not going to be leading the team in points but they will hold the team accountable. You need guys like this on your team to win.

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02-21-2012, 10:00 AM
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I'd like to see both Dorse and TMac re-signed. Both are hard palying, hard skating, pay attention to details type of guys. They are not going to be leading the team in points but they will hold the team accountable. You need guys like this on your team to win.
I must agree. I've been forced to alter, though not completely change, my opinion on Dorsett, this year. He still takes too many stupid penalties and needs to learn, as Boll did, when to walk away; but he always gives everything he has and demonstrated more skill than I ever would have thought he had in him. As for DMac, no need to change my opinion, he never lets up and has continued to prove his value to a team that, too often, fails to meet the intensity of the opposition.

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I agree with Blah, no hurry, that is what has gotten us into this mess ( long term contracts )

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I would prefer to see Howson sign Dorse before the season ends (which he probably won't) just to send a message like "We see you busting your ass every shift and we are going to reward you."

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Can you build a team from bottom up? It seems we have always tried to force good 3rd and 4th liners up away from their strength. let's build a solid, best in the league 3rd and 4th line. Then, if we keep Carter or Nash, whatever, we fill the 2nd and 1st lines with youth. I think Dorsett fits in that model.

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I would prefer to see Howson sign Dorse before the season ends (which he probably won't) just to send a message like "We see you busting your ass every shift and we are going to reward you."
No, the best message is that business has changed. I expect Dorse will be back, but as Blah said there is no rush. The odds of someone like Dorsett getting offer-sheeted is almost negligible. Even if he did, the Jackets would be compensated with picks and, as good as a team guy as Dorse is, he's not the hardest guy to replace.

No more early-negotiated long-term golden parachutes like Brass, Mase, Umberger, Vermette, Tyutin and (in some people's eyes) Nash got. Sucks that Dorse and DMac are the ones who this policy change would affect, but I hope it's the new rule of business here.

Right now, with all the variables in play, the front office does not have a firm idea who will be on the roster next year. Let's see how the dominoes fall before we start worrying about how our impending RFA's fit in.

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No more early-negotiated long-term golden parachutes like Brass, Mase, Umberger, Vermette, Tyutin and (in some people's eyes) Nash got. Sucks that Dorse and DMac are the ones who this policy change would affect, but I hope it's the new rule of business here.

Right now, with all the variables in play, the front office does not have a firm idea who will be on the roster next year. Let's see how the dominoes fall before we start worrying about how our impending RFA's fit in.
Brassard and Mason I agree with, but not so much the others. I'm not that worried about the Dorsett and McKenzie's contracts. They will get roughly 1 million per year for a pair of guys that have proven themselves already, as opposed to Brassard and Mason who hadn't really proven anything yet when they were resigned. Resigning a pair of solid bottom six skaters is a different animal altogether from a rookie top 6 center and a 2nd year starting netminder.

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I'd like to see both Dorse and TMac re-signed. Both are hard palying, hard skating, pay attention to details type of guys. They are not going to be leading the team in points but they will hold the team accountable. You need guys like this on your team to win.
We have guys like this on our team and we're not winning...

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We have guys like this on our team and we're not winning...
this much is true

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We have guys like this on our team and we're not winning...
So...

We should only have guys on our team that are unlike all those we've had up till now? Should Howson be scouting South America and Sub-Saharan Africa?

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We should only have guys on our team that are unlike all those we've had up till now? Should Howson be scouting South America and Sub-Saharan Africa?
Please dont give him any ideas


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We should only have guys on our team that are unlike all those we've had up till now? Should Howson be scouting South America and Sub-Saharan Africa?
I've heard crazier suggestions. Besides, there's some damn good athletes there.

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We have guys like this on our team and we're not winning...
No kidding. Can you imagine how much worse it would be if we didn't have anybody who gave 100% every shift? Let's get rid of these two and bring back Filly and Z so we can replace Dorse & TMac's heart with their skill.

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We have guys like this on our team and we're not winning...
Give me a team of Dorsetts and MacKenzies any day of the week over a team of Carters and Umgarbagers.

May not win much, but won't make me want to lose my supper either.

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I just found it humorous that someone was making the claim "you don't win without these guys on the roster" when it's obvious that we don't win even with those guys on the roster. I'm not against signing them but obviously they aren't the magical auto-win puzzle pieces that some make them out to be.

Some people want a team of all dmacs and dorsetts, I would prefer a team that wins consistently whatever the team makeup is. I don't think a team of Double D's and Dmacs is going to win very often, but sure it would make the losses more palatable I guess. Why are we shooting for being ok with losing though? Wouldn't that be a part of the losing culture around here?

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Give me a team of Dorsetts and MacKenzies any day of the week over a team of Carters and Umgarbagers.

May not win much, but won't make me want to lose my supper either.
Amazing. The one bad year isn't even done yet and he's already gone from "hardest working player on the CBJ and MVP" several years in a row to... this.

Y'know, it's possible to overdo "what have you done for me lately"...

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Dorsett will be re-signed in due time. I am quite certain he would recognize that there are bigger things to tend to at this time and prior to the draft than getting him a new contract. I've changed my tune on him this year and would be happy to see him back for another 2 years, 3 max. On a team full of suck he's shown he can play above it and provides the energy and grit as well as plays the game for 60 minutes. He's a perfect bottom 6 guy that would be good for most teams in the NHL.

No one should be judged, individually, as part of the problem. The team, collective, has been a problem and several individuals have provided more than their share of contribution. When you can play above your "norm" on a team like this I have to think that's showing value to the club, fans and players.

Now how do we get rid of some of these others? Oh yeah, there's a thread for that.

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I just found it humorous that someone was making the claim "you don't win without these guys on the roster" when it's obvious that we don't win even with those guys on the roster. I'm not against signing them but obviously they aren't the magical auto-win puzzle pieces that some make them out to be.

Some people want a team of all dmacs and dorsetts, I would prefer a team that wins consistently whatever the team makeup is. I don't think a team of Double D's and Dmacs is going to win very often, but sure it would make the losses more palatable I guess. Why are we shooting for being ok with losing though? Wouldn't that be a part of the losing culture around here?
I think the real secret is how do you get a player of premier talent to play with their desire and intensity? From my life experiences, having guys like that around you helps.

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