Probably right about Suter I'm expecting one of those contracts with a few extra years tac'ed on to it to bring the cap hit down but with the NHL watching that a little closer these days it might be closer to 6.8/7M hit. I don't see a team going over 7 for him while he might be worth it a contact like that is just so crippling to a teams cap outlook.
Stoll eats some tough minutes for LA they will need to replace him but I guess they could just sign Kelly or Gaustad at 3M per and save themselves some cash. If they sign one of the big wingers they might be able to hold on to all of them for a year but at some point they are going to need to doll out some raises and I think Williams is the logical guy to move, I could be totally wrong though it would depend on way to many factors. I agree thought the chances of Brown getting moved are slim to non, there is no reason to move him.
Stoll eats some tough minutes for LA they will need to replace him but I guess they could just sign Kelly or Gaustad at 3M per and save themselves some cash. If they sign one of the big wingers they might be able to hold on to all of them for a year but at some point they are going to need to doll out some raises and I think Williams is the logical guy to move, I could be totally wrong though it would depend on way to many factors. I agree thought the chances of Brown getting moved are slim to non, there is no reason to move him.
He really really doesn't. Stoll plays 2nd unit PK and plays on the energy line. Both the Kings top 2 centers are just fantastic defensively, they do not have any need of a shutdown line. Right now the "3rd" line is Penner - Stoll - Lewis. Stoll/Penner are useless, Lewis is a 4th line C ideally. They have a very talented youngster by the name of Andrei Loktionov who will take Stoll's spot next year. They have no need for a Kelly or Gaustad. With Parise the roster looks like...
Brown - Kopitar - Williams
Parise - Richards - Carter
King - Loktionov - Holloway/Gagne*
Clifford - Lewis - Nolan
ex: Richardson - Fraser/Cliche
Without him..
Brown - Kopitar - Williams
King - Richards - Carter
Holloway/Gagne* - Loktionov - Moller/Holloway
Clifford - Lewis - Nolan
Richardson - Fraser/Cliche
*=Hard to say if Gagne will play again
They may add another forward in the mold of a Kelly/Moen (a 3rd line winger) if they miss on Parise, but otherwise they will be absolutely fine. Stoll is not a good hockey player, he is bad defensively, he is bad offensively, he does not hit, he cannot shut people down. He blocks shots on PK and he win faceoffs. That is IT.
Everyone of their players are not expensive or already locked up except Quick. Quick has one more year before UFA, but by then Scuderi and Gagne are off the books. They can easily add a Parise and retain everybody trust me.
(I've watched 55-65 Kings games this year as Kings are my 1B team).
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Didn't realize King and Loktionov where ready for the big leagues but if they are yeah I see your point no need really. For some reason I thought Stoll had good AVCD numbers but I just checked again and I must have been looking at another player, while not completely useless he really does nothing especially well. Maybe I clicked on Richards by mistake? Anyway yeah they have no need to move him now, If they add Parise and Richards and Cater have bounce back years that team could be vary vary scary.
If they do sign one of them does Toffoli become expendable? Whats his deal putting up massive PTS again but hes is 19 this year.
After all these people not liking ex player. There isn't much to be had in the free agency. There is some players that are good, but I doubt we have a chance in obtaining them.
I know Holden hates Stoll with a passion . I personally think he might need a breath of cold winter air and scenery such as those amazing parks in Winnipeg. Out of free agency I only really like Stoll/Tootoo/Gaustad/Hudler/Parenteau from within being not too old and has years in them and obtainable. I doubt we can land Parise so that's why I didn't list him, and I don't want Semin due to his mood swings and other crap.
So the only thing I can see us doing is trading for prospects, and bringing up some of the guys from St Johns. Specifically Machacek and Cormier.
Holden, you don't have to post anymore hate about Stoll. I get it. You don't want him.
After all these people not liking ex player. There isn't much to be had in the free agency. There is some players that are good, but I doubt we have a chance in obtaining them.
I know Holden hates Stoll with a passion . I personally think he might need a breath of cold winter air and scenery such as those amazing parks in Winnipeg. Out of free agency I only really like Stoll/Tootoo/Gaustad/Hudler/Parenteau from within being not too old and has years in them and obtainable. I doubt we can land Parise so that's why I didn't list him, and I don't want Semin due to his mood swings and other crap.
So the only thing I can see us doing is trading for prospects, and bringing up some of the guys from St Johns. Specifically Machacek and Cormier.
Holden, you don't have to post anymore hate about Stoll. I get it. You don't want him.
I think Parenteau is too risky and will get overpaid by someone, hopefully it's not the Jets.
I also agree that the hate for Stoll is not needed. We get those opinions, let others have their own.
If they do sign one of them does Toffoli become expendable? Whats his deal putting up massive PTS again but hes is 19 this year.
Toffoli needs work on his skating, I think he will be in Manchester next year. He is the only prospect the Kings have on the wings with a true sniper skillset, I think they will hold on to him and let him develop a few years.
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After all these people not liking ex player. There isn't much to be had in the free agency. There is some players that are good, but I doubt we have a chance in obtaining them.
I know Holden hates Stoll with a passion . I personally think he might need a breath of cold winter air and scenery such as those amazing parks in Winnipeg. Out of free agency I only really like Stoll/Tootoo/Gaustad/Hudler/Parenteau from within being not too old and has years in them and obtainable. I doubt we can land Parise so that's why I didn't list him, and I don't want Semin due to his mood swings and other crap.
So the only thing I can see us doing is trading for prospects, and bringing up some of the guys from St Johns. Specifically Machacek and Cormier.
Holden, you don't have to post anymore hate about Stoll. I get it. You don't want him.
I actually don't really hate him. He is just not good enough for top 6 and has no role in a bottom 6. Just too vanilla a player, doesn't do anything really beyond a few blocked shots on PK and wins faceoffs. He has never been the same player that concussion back in 2007. Not sure what he could add to the Jets (keep in mind he CANNOT play wing). My fear is that they would sign him and try to sell him as a top 6 player, I watched for years as the Kings sold Craig Johnson, Jaroslav Bednar, Trent Klatt, Ladislav Nagy, Jarrett Stoll, etc as top 6 to the fans, don't want the Jets to follow the same path.
Hudler might be an interesting fit, he has some skill for sure. Parenteau will get too big an overpayment, he is too much of a perimeter player for me. Gaustad/Tootoo certainly aren't top 6 options and I think both will be vastly overpaid this off-season. It's going to be hard to find some forwards, that's for sure, and we do need some. We'll see what happens.
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I also agree that the hate for Stoll is not needed. We get those opinions, let others have their own.
Go for it, you are welcome to ignore my opinion. But I equally have the right to state it and considering I've watched Stoll play 200 games over the past 3 years, I think I got a pretty good handle on where he's at. Your welcome to disagree if you want. Won't bother me.
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Enstrom to NSH, would people here be open to moving Enstrom for Colin Wilson + Hornqvst? While I hate to lose Enstrom getting 2 NHL quality forwards for him would be ideal. Sign a guy like Jackman to round out the Dcore.
We've debated the big names like Suter and Parise quite a bit, but there are also quite a few smaller names out there as well.
Jiri Hudler (quietly having an excellent year in Detroit - 23 G, 24 A)
Mikael Samuelsson (former 30-goal scorer Canuck who TNSE management are probably familiar with)
Tomas Holmstrom (not much left in the tank at this point, but he's won multiple Stanley Cups and brings a lot of experience)
Ryan Smyth (if he leaves Edmonton)
Bryce Salvador (veteran defenseman from Brandon, MB)
Brandon Prust (PIM machine. He has 151 PIM this year and had 160 PIM last year)
Not a fan of any of those players, but Hudler and Prust would be the only ones on the list I'd consider.. but at the same time I don't really see much of a need for either. Hudler's a second line winger.. and Prust is a decent role player, but I'd rather go out and find an even better one if available.
Only guy I really like on that list is Hudler, with our depth at LW he may be a little redundant and he will want 4.00M+ a year. I just don't think hes worth that, if you could get him for 3-3.5 it might be a good deal but I highly doubt that's going to happen, if you could acquire a true top 6 RW and move him down that would be some serious LW depth, but really you have Cormier who would most likely be able to give you similar results with a lot less of a cap hit.
I would certainly do Hornqvist + Wilson or Hornqvist + Blum for Enstrom. In a heartbeat.
I have always liked Colin Wilson and I think he's going to be a good NHL'er.
I would love a deal like this.
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Enstrom to NSH, would people here be open to moving Enstrom for Colin Wilson + Hornqvst? While I hate to lose Enstrom getting 2 NHL quality forwards for him would be ideal. Sign a guy like Jackman to round out the Dcore.
I would certainly do Hornqvist + Wilson or Hornqvist + Blum for Enstrom. In a heartbeat.
I have always liked Colin Wilson and I think he's going to be a good NHL'er.
I would love a deal like this.
A deal like that (Wilson & Hornqvist) would go a long way to solving the lack of forward depth and thus allowing the Jets to use their 2012 1st on a Defenseman.
We would have to give up a roster player to get both, maybe a deal like
Wilson + Blum/Ellis? I think that deal still makes sense for both teams move Wilson back to center put him on the "sheltered" line with Kane.
Ladd-Little-Wheeler
Kane-Wilson-Welly
Cormier-Burmi-Antro
Glass-Slater-Mach9
Sign a guy LHD to play in the top 4 and then pick a guy like Morgan Reilly with our pick
Hainsey - Bogo
LHD(Jackman/Zannon/Coli) - Buffy
Stuart - (Ellis/Blum/Postma)
Clitsome
Have a ton of cap space for the excellent 2013 UFA class and make a run at Zajac/Getzlaf.
Then you can trade one of Little/Wilson/Burmi/Cormier/Sheif for a top 6 RW, and your done.
NYI would probably be interested in Buff for their pick. It's to bad his contract is back loaded. I'm not a fan of his contract structuring.
Isles need defense. I'd be interested in trading the Isles top pick (6th right now) for Byfuglien and Mark Stuart. Both are signed on and Isles are pretty deep in prospects.
Isles need defense. I'd be interested in trading the Isles top pick (6th right now) for Byfuglien and Mark Stuart. Both are signed on and Isles are pretty deep in prospects.
What would you want from us for Grabner? He could fit in very well here in a 3rd line/ special teams role.
I would do Hornqvist + Wilson for Enstrom. Kane - Wilson - Hornqvist would be a GREAT 2nd line for us next year. It would also let us play Burmi on the wing with Antro and Wellwood on the 3rd line (where those guys had some success).
I would be interested in Wilson + Blum/Ellis/Ekholm, but not nearly as much as the above.
Isles need defense. I'd be interested in trading the Isles top pick (6th right now) for Byfuglien and Mark Stuart. Both are signed on and Isles are pretty deep in prospects.
Obviously you would have to add if it included both, but you can have Buff for the pick and small +.
Isles need defense. I'd be interested in trading the Isles top pick (6th right now) for Byfuglien and Mark Stuart. Both are signed on and Isles are pretty deep in prospects.
I wouldn't make that deal for the pick alone. Unless you were implying that Isles prospects would be added?
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What would you want from us for Grabner? He could fit in very well here in a 3rd line/ special teams role.
I think they would be asking for more than he is worth to be honest.
I would do Hornqvist + Wilson for Enstrom. Kane - Wilson - Hornqvist would be a GREAT 2nd line for us next year. It would also let us play Burmi on the wing with Antro and Wellwood on the 3rd line (where those guys had some success).
I would be interested in Wilson + Blum/Ellis/Ekholm, but not nearly as much as the above.
That would be amazing but such a trade ****. There is no way Nashville would give those guys up for Enstrom who is having a bad year. They more then double his offensive production on the ice. but that being said I guess you never know
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Reason: Nash = Nashville
I would do Hornqvist + Wilson for Enstrom. Kane - Wilson - Hornqvist would be a GREAT 2nd line for us next year. It would also let us play Burmi on the wing with Antro and Wellwood on the 3rd line (where those guys had some success).
I would be interested in Wilson + Blum/Ellis/Ekholm, but not nearly as much as the above.
I would love this. I would even add one of a 2nd, Klingberg or Cormier with Enstrom if that's what it took to get it done. There may be some caution with Enstrom only having a year remaining on his contract, so it's possible we may have to add a piece if we want both Wilson and Hornqvist. Those are 2 pretty young and promising pieces. It would definitely be a move that would put Cheveldayoff's stamp on the team.
This would be the ideal deal, I think. I would love it. I also think Enstrom would really fit in well in Nashville. Though i'm not so sure Nashville would give up both Hornqvist and Wilson.
Ladd - Little - Wheeler
Kane - Wilson - Hornqvist
Burmistrov - Antropov - Wellwood
Glass - Slater - Thorburn
That would be amazing but such a trade ****. There is no way Nash would give those guys up for Enstrom who is having a bad year. They more then double his offensive production on the ice. but that being said I guess you never know
Nash is gonna be traded on draft day, so I doubt he cares.
This would be the ideal deal, I think. I would love it. I also think Enstrom would really fit in well in Nashville. Though i'm not so sure Nashville would give up both Hornqvist and Wilson.
Ladd - Little - Wheeler
Kane - Wilson - Hornqvist
Burmistrov - Antropov - Wellwood
Glass - Slater - Thorburn
I'd be VERY happy with that as our forward lines, but as you say, probably not in the cards. 3 dangerous lines, and a killer shut down line.
That would be amazing but such a trade ****. There is no way Nashville would give those guys up for Enstrom who is having a bad year. They more then double his offensive production on the ice. but that being said I guess you never know
You could be right, but like Guerzy mentions below, we could add a 2nd, Klingberg, or Cormier as well.
I know I've said it a few times, but remember what Burns returned and he only had 1 more year in his deal as well, Burns + 2nd for Setoguchi, Coyle (who was a highly touted 1st round pick), and a 1st round pick.
Hornqvist would be the Setoguchi piece and Wilson the Coyle piece. Both Hornqvist and Wilson are better than Seto and Coyle, so if you subtract the 1st coming our way (and 2nd going back to them), and adding in a 2nd, Klingberg, or Cormier it doesn't look like a bad trade to me.
But I also don't know how ready Poile would be to take on a soon to be UFA if he just lost Suter, and may lose Weber. I think San Jose had a very good idea that Burns was going to re-sign with them.
That would be amazing but such a trade ****. There is no way Nashville would give those guys up for Enstrom who is having a bad year. They more then double his offensive production on the ice. but that being said I guess you never know
You are correct they won't give up both for just Enstrom would have to add a significant player Enstrom + Burmi + pick for Wilson + Hornqvist + Blum? Thats a huge shake up for both teams doubt many would be for it but I might pull the tigger.
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What would you want from us for Grabner? He could fit in very well here in a 3rd line/ special teams role.
I think they would be asking for more than he is worth to be honest.
Grabner is insanely under rated, the guy is blindingly fast for one thing, he also manages to score 20 goals with 3rd line minutes. To top it off he is a really really really good PKer, last year he allowed 9 PP goals against the entire year and SCORED 6 SH GOALS!! HIMSELF! That's insane to top it all off hes 24 and is signed long term at a lowish cap hit. The only downside to him is how stupidly back loaded his contract is. He would be a great fit on the shutdown 3rd line the Jets should be trying to build.
. I personally think he might need a breath of cold winter air and scenery such as those amazing parks in Winnipeg. Out of free agency I only really like Stoll/Tootoo/Gaustad/Hudler/Parenteau from within being not too old and has years in them and obtainable. I doubt we can land Parise so that's why I didn't list him, and I don't want Semin due to his mood swings and other crap.
but such a trade ****. There is no way Nashville would give those guys up for Enstrom who is having a bad year. They more then double his offensive production on the ice. but that being said I guess you never know 
