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02-21-2012, 02:34 PM
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Did Kovalchuk, Thornton, Heatley, etc. get anybody better?
Wolski's an RFA that's due a $4.18M qualifying offer just to retain his rights. He's got 3 points in 9 games this season. Do you honestly think anyone is trading anything for him?

As I said in the Whale thread, I think MZA is a huge gamble. I don't see him staying in North America for his $850K QO.

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Did Kovalchuk, Thornton, Heatley, etc. get anybody better?
Yes, they did. Oduya, Sturm, Brad Stuart, and Michalek were all better players at the time they were traded than Wolski and MZA are right now. Wolski is a healthy scratch and MZA hasn't played in the NHL since October.

Regardless, Kovalchuk was a rental so it's hardly comparable to Nash. Heatley demanded a trade, unlike Nash, so Murray was forced to trade him immediately while Howson can pull Nash off the market and try again this summer if he doesn't see a deal to his liking.

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That's not really my point though. The point is that just because a guy is earning big money, it doesn't mean he's destined to fail in NY.
To me I don't have a problem with a big money guy as long as the production is there. I do have an issue with a 65 pt guy on a 7.8m cap hit. The only guys who should be paid that are the 80-100 pt guys or the truly elite goalies. Gabby is borderline worth the 7.5m cap hit but we needed something back then so I suck it up and enjoy his goals and elite skill. But at least he's a PPG player. If we were getting Stamkos, Malkin, etc then I'd gladly make them fit in the cap...you make it work with those types of guys. But Nash isn't on that level so to me it's about the production vs cap hit...you only have so much cap room...you gotta squeeze every last bit out of every dollar.

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Imagine if we don't trade Dubi and he sucks in the playoffs. I cannot fathom Dubi being the make it / break it for this team winning a cup.
Dubi should be Senator years ago.

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Yeah, Tyutin is pretty overpaid. It seems that CBJ fans hate his defense, too.

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Apart from any discussions of trade value and salary caps and whatever, I would just feel really lousy seeing Dubinsky get yanked off a first place team and out of a locker room he fits in with so well and shipped to Columbus. It's a business and all, but I mean, dang.
Me too. It would pain me to see that.

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Did Kovalchuk, Thornton, Heatley, etc. get anybody better?
The Bruins got Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart and Wayne Primeau from San Jose in exchange for Thorton.

Good article on the similarities of the situations

http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/...nton_once_was/

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If Nash comes to the Rangers and we break this team up, I think Rangers fans will hunt Sather down and bury him
hm, whoever from Rangers goes to Columbus, is buried..

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Yeah, Tyutin is pretty overpaid. It seems that CBJ fans hate his defense, too.
They don't have Girardi to pair him with.


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Dubi has nine lives on this team. We've been waiting for him to break out for years now. Fact of the matter is, at his best, he is half the player Nash is offensively.
Truth.

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02-21-2012, 02:40 PM
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Wolski's an RFA that's due a $4.18M qualifying offer just to retain his rights. He's got 3 points in 9 games this season. Do you honestly think anyone is trading anything for him?

As I said in the Whale thread, I think MZA is a huge gamble. I don't see him staying in North America for his $850K QO.
Players at Wolski's salary level don't require a raise on their QO, but still, $3.8M is too high.

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Imagine if we don't trade Dubi and he sucks in the playoffs. I cannot fathom Dubi being the make it / break it for this team winning a cup.
With his puck possession game, play around the net and on the boards...there were times in the last Boston game that he controlled the puck against 3 Bruins and they couldn't get it away from him...don't underestimate this in the playoffs.

I'm not saying I wouldn't deal Dubi, just that he's valuable and isn't a throwaway guy...and I want someone we can afford for him ...

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I agree, his level of play would probably be the same, but there are people who think he suddenly is going to add fifteen points a year on the Rangers. Is it possible? Sure, why not? Is it likely? Not at all, many players have come here and declined.
I firmly believe he can add 12-15 points per year to his average playing for the Rangers.

He's going to play top line with a legit 1st line center.

He's not going to be the ONLY player to worry about as we still have Gaborik to contend with.

The fact is, he was the only real concern any team had to worry about when they played Columbus and he STILL posted 65 points a season.

Just playing with a legit center tou can add 8-10 points to his year. Playing on a team with another weapon will force opposing teams to choose why they look to slow down. That can easily generate an additional 5-7 points.

Gaborik would also benefit.

The Rangers have been lacking top line talent. They lacked top line talent before Richards and even with Richards we had no true and legit complete 1st line.

You add Nash to this team, you can expect numbers to rise for all of our top 6 as the offensive load just became more balanced and tougher to defend against.

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Wolski's an RFA that's due a $4.18M qualifying offer just to retain his rights. He's got 3 points in 9 games this season. Do you honestly think anyone is trading anything for him?

As I said in the Whale thread, I think MZA is a huge gamble. I don't see him staying in North America for his $850K QO.
Wolski will be a UFA and I think he would sign with Columbus. He's on his last leg. If he doesn't make it with Columbus, he's in the AHL for good. Zuccs is a crapshoot but the package as a whole is better than the Kings, for instance.

Bernier and Loktionov are crapshoots. The first round pick is a gamble. We all know that. Johnson is the only sure thing in the deal. He's a second pairing defenseman.

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I do not know if bringing Nash, or actually anybody, would benefit Rangers. Rangers gritty play seems to produce less goals (gaborik, richards), but who cares if we have the wins? Do you really have to trade defensive conscious pieces to bring this one guy???.. No

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I firmly believe he can add 12-15 points per year to his average playing for the Rangers.

He's going to play top line with a legit 1st line center.

He's not going to be the ONLY player to worry about as we still have Gaborik to contend with.

The fact is, he was the only real concern any team had to worry about when they played Columbus and he STILL posted 65 points a season.

Just playing with a legit center tou can add 8-10 points to his year. Playing on a team with another weapon will force opposing teams to choose why they look to slow down. That can easily generate an additional 5-7 points.

Gaborik would also benefit.

The Rangers have been lacking top line talent. They lacked top line talent before Richards and even with Richards we had no true and legit complete 1st line.


You add Nash to this team, you can expect numbers to rise for all of our top 6 as the offensive load just became more balanced and tougher to defend against.
With Nash this team would be unstoppable. We would have, the best goaltender in the NHL the best young defense or damn close to it in the NHL, and a top 5 NHL offense.

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Is there any legit rumors out there besides these worthless speculations?

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Players at Wolski's salary level don't require a raise on their QO
My bad. I was calculating it off his hit, not his salary.

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I'm not saying I wouldn't deal Dubi, just that he's valuable and isn't a throwaway guy...and I want someone we can afford for him ...
That's why I say treat Nash as a rental and trade him away in June (this is assuming that his NMC becomes void upon being traded, like has been the case with some other contracts).

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Tampa Bay just traded Steve Downie to Colorado...wow.

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My bad. I was calculating it off his hit, not his salary.





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Wolski is not a UFA.
If he's not qualified, he's a UFA?

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Tampa Bay just traded Steve Downie to Colorado...wow.
Well he's a pending RFA and TB is pretty much done. They should be dealing, no? Guess they didn't plan on giving him a raise from his current 1.85M/year deal. Guess Colorado is trying to make a run for the 8th seed.


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Tampa Bay just traded Steve Downie to Colorado...wow.
Would take Downie on this team. Not sure he'd fit in though.

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Why wow? He's a pending UFA and TB is pretty much done. They should be dealing all their UFAs, no?
Curious as to what they got in return. Lecavlier is out indefinitely as well. Interesting...

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Downie should be an RFA.

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