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02-21-2012, 09:48 PM
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How is he short sighted when you're looking at one of Dubi's seasons and not counting this one and his other 40 point efforts?
What the nash cap hit means for our future if we were to land him

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carried us? how did Dubi carry us? he did the vast majority of his scoring early in the season.
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Was that the one year of his career where he was given 1st line minutes?

Yes.

Like I said before, I felt this was a big year for Dubi. He came out and fell flat on his face. The signs point more and more to him being a fringe 2nd liner than a fringe 1st liner.
Players have down years. In my view, Dubi has earned the benefit of the doubt with all of the hard minutes he's put in for this team. Just a difference of opinion, I guess.

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I was talking about how he seemed to have no idea what dubi meant to the club last year, not about cally
Dubi went on a hot streak early in the year. The finish-not so good.

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carried us? how did Dubi carry us? he did the vast majority of his scoring early in the season.
Obviously he carried us more before he broke his leg, but he continued to log big minutes, take key faceoffs and play a good two way game all year. His strength on the puck shouldn't be overlooked

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What the nash cap hit means for our future if we were to land him
It means that Gaborik will be gone after next season. Replace Nash with Gaborik and we are back on the current cycle we are in now.

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Dubi + Sauer + McD + 1st or 2nd for Nash + Toots
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or throw in wolski and mza to the mix?

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Dubi performed. No one is denying that. But you are trying to make him out into our first line savior. He is expendable. That's what most people are saying. If we can use him to get Ryan, Carter, Nash - absolutely inquire. He's by no means untouchable - especially if we can upgrade the position.

Callahan, Staal, McD, MDZ... They are untouchable. And if you have to ask why these four are while Dubi isn't, you aren't paying close enough attention.
Uh, MDZ and Gaborik were expendable last year. I'm sure most people are pretty happy that they're still here yeah? One bad season does not make a career. He also usually steps up in the playoffs. I'd rather keep the team together and see what they can do on their own in the playoffs then go from there in FA without having to trade assets. I don't understand the do or die mentally. The window won't shut at the end of this season.

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Yeah, it proves my point. There's a reason the team was in eighth with a player like Dubinsky carrying the offense - he's not that good.



I've wanted a top-6 forward added to the team all season. We now have a chance to add a bonafide star player. Ansty. Right.
I think the biggest thing that is good about adding Nash is the kind of player he is.
We've added some great talents (Richards, Gaborik). Gaborik especially has done a superb job adapting to our system, but these two are not tailor made for this Tortorella system. While not being soft, neither are particularly large, and can't take the beatings guys like Dubinsky, Prust or Boyle take on the boards. Nash can do this and will be an absolute physical nightmare for opposing defense.

Btw: You think Torts tries this if he acquires him - Nash, Richards, Gaborik.

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Players have down years. In my view, Dubi has earned the benefit of the doubt with all of the hard minutes he's put in for this team. Just a difference of opinion, I guess.
But that's the problem - Dubi ISN'T having a down year. He had a very UP first quarter of last season. THAT'S the abberation.

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It means that Gaborik will be gone after next season. Replace Nash with Gaborik and we are back on the current cycle we are in now.
But that's "running your team like you would in NHL 12", not shrewd asset management.

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Players have down years. In my view, Dubi has earned the benefit of the doubt with all of the hard minutes he's put in for this team. Just a difference of opinion, I guess.
But I can't consider it a down year when it's in line with his career. And if you take away all the ENG's last year, he has 19 goals.

I just think 4.2 million dollars for him is really bad.

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Dubi + Sauer + McD + 1st or 2nd for Nash + Toots
flame away

or throw in wolski and mza to the mix?
McDonagh? For real? HA HA

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This. I specifically remembering Big Al Trautwig talking about how Dubi was leading Crosby and Ovi in the scoring race at one point. I believe he found himself on a ridiculous 50 goal pace like 25 games into the season.
Jan - April: 40 Games, 8 goals, 22 Points.

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Players have down years. In my view, Dubi has earned the benefit of the doubt with all of the hard minutes he's put in for this team. Just a difference of opinion, I guess.
But how long can you continue to give him the benefit of the doubt when he's struggled from the all star break last year up until now?

Granted he has had a broken leg for a couple of weeks but what's his excuse this year?

There is no excuse, he is simply a 3rd line player that has potential to be constantly in the 40 point range. On the Bruins Dubinsky would fit in with their 3rd line players.

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Dubi performed. No one is denying that. But you are trying to make him out into our first line savior. He is expendable. That's what most people are saying. If we can use him to get Ryan, Carter, Nash - absolutely inquire. He's by no means untouchable - especially if we can upgrade the position.

Callahan, Staal, McD, MDZ... They are untouchable. And if you have to ask why these four are while Dubi isn't, you aren't paying close enough attention.
Not what I'm saying. If it was Dubi for nash straight up that's one thing, but it's dubi ++++++++++++

I woudln't be looking to move dubi. He's more important than some seem to realize.

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NJD good PP balanced scoring great PK that is also dangerous to score .
I have a real feeling they pass us in standings
Seriously, the Rangers IMO aren't that talented (it was evident tonight), but your love affair with the Devils is ridiculous. Why don't you become a Devils fan? If the Devils didn't win in a skills competition at a ridiculous rate (3 more wins than ANY other team in the league) they would be 14 points behind us. If the Devils have such great balanced scoring, why do the Devils score less on average with the Rangers, even with a better PP. Oh and btw, scoring is not the only thing that's important. The scoring differential sans the shootout for the Rangers is +44 and -1 for the Devils. Seriously, you should become a Devils fan.

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McDonagh? For real? HA HA
I mean colombus will be wanting a big reaturn (doubt they'll get one), but Dubi+ McD + a pick could work I think. Dont kill me, I looove McD, but we have McI coming up, hmm..now that I think of it, I dont really know. I love this current team. I'd be down with trading prospects most likely

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Uh, MDZ and Gaborik were expendable last year. I'm sure most people are pretty happy that they're still here yeah? One bad season does not make a career. He also usually steps up in the playoffs. I'd rather keep the team together and see what they can do on their own in the playoffs then go from there in FA without having to trade assets. I don't understand the do or die mentally. The window won't shut at the end of this season.
MDZ last year and Dubi this year are completely different situations. I did not think MDZ was expendable neither did half the fanbase. Gaborik is what is he. He's expendable if the right situation arises.

No one is advocating using Dubi as a salary dump. But if you could upgrade the position to a legit sniper in a player like Nash, Ryan, Carter and so on... Dubi is expendable.

Am I on the Nash train? Honestly, I don't know. The cap hit is a killer. But that doesn't mean Dubi is untouchable.

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Jeff Carter


Columbus ends up with $1,812,411 in cap space after the deal and NYR ends up with $709,672.


Nash - Stepan - Gaborik
Carter - Richards - Callahan
Hagelin - Boyle - Fedotenko
Rupp - Mitchell - Prust

Offensive problem solved.


Don't kill me.

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MDZ last year and Dubi this year are completely different situations. I did not think MDZ was expendable neither did half the fanbase. Gaborik is what is he. He's expendable if the right situation arises.

No one is advocating using Dubi as a salary dump. But if you could upgrade the position to a legit sniper in a player like Nash, Ryan, Carter and so on... Dubi is expendable.

Am I on the Nash train? Honestly, I don't know. The cap hit is a killer. But that doesn't mean Dubi is untouchable.
I don't think he's untouchable either I just really do not care for Nash and his cap hit. If Anaheim wanted to trade Bobby Ryan I'd do that in a heartbeat.

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Uh, MDZ and Gaborik were expendable last year. I'm sure most people are pretty happy that they're still here yeah? One bad season does not make a career. He also usually steps up in the playoffs. I'd rather keep the team together and see what they can do on their own in the playoffs then go from there in FA without having to trade assets. I don't understand the do or die mentally. The window won't shut at the end of this season.
The ceiling for MDZ and Gaborik is stratospheres higher than a glorified 3rd line grinder like Dubi.

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I don't think he's untouchable either I just really do not care for Nash and his cap hit. If Anaheim wanted to trade for Bobby Ryan I'd do that in a heartbeat.
That's how I feel. I would love to have Nash, but 7.8M is a bit up there. Ryan or Carter I wouldn't hesitate.

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Uh, MDZ and Gaborik were expendable last year. I'm sure most people are pretty happy that they're still here yeah? One bad season does not make a career. He also usually steps up in the playoffs. I'd rather keep the team together and see what they can do on their own in the playoffs then go from there in FA without having to trade assets. I don't understand the do or die mentally. The window won't shut at the end of this season.
MDZ and Gaborik weren't expendable this year. MDZ was a 20 year old who scored 40 points as a d-man and Gaborik was a 40 goal scorer. Both more important than a 4.2 million dollar third liner.

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Christian Thomas
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Jeff Carter


Columbus ends up with $1,812,411 in cap space after the deal and NYR ends up with $709,672.


Nash - Stepan - Gaborik
Carter - Richards - Callahan
Hagelin - Boyle - Fedotenko
Rupp - Mitchell - Prust

Offensive problem solved.


Don't kill me.
waay too much i think, plus you're adding 2 1st round picks! And I wouldn't drag carter into this I think

and yeah, as said a few posts above. i want nash, but for the price its a toss up, ryan yessss...but 8 yrs or however many and 7.8mil....a gamble

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