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02-23-2013, 10:19 AM
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I think their best line-up talent-wise would be Todd up front to replace Critchlow and put Priamo back in, but do they make that drastic of a move this late in the season. Todd and Desnoyers have been very good together all year.

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02-23-2013, 10:43 AM
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Maybe Todd up front and Priamo, perhaps, on the back end. Todd made a number of skill plays...there was one play deep in the third period where he made a nice backhand pass from behind the net to MacNeil in the slot, who couldn't finish. Nesbitt misfired on a backhand chance on a pass from Culligan in the first couple of minutes of the game...there were several examples of that.
UPEI has a skilled mobile defence and, as you say, more skill up front than they are given credit for.
On the other hand, UNB had won nine a row coming in, including a 7-2 blowout the night before. Perhaps they were due for a bad one. Friday night perhaps knocked a bit of the strut out of them and they realize that it's going to be tough. It's a matter now of how you react
Interesting point. Todd has played well on D and has been effective carrying the puck. Priamo is stay at home and maybe that's a good thing as the Island seems to create many odd man situations. I agree that Todd could be effective as a set up man up front, but like Bruin offers, It is a tough time of year to make that decision.

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02-23-2013, 03:06 PM
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Drastic moves: See Parks, Mavric

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02-23-2013, 03:11 PM
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Drastic moves: See Parks, Mavric
That was more a necessity than a drastic move. Savage's was B-R-U-T-A-L Thursday night.

That game would've been a lot closer if not for a) LaCosta's very good play and b) Savage's terrible play.

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02-23-2013, 08:01 PM
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IF.. you want to change things up, but I don't believe we're there yet (lose game 3 and you might think about it).

I'd place Houde-Carron in the 2nd line with McNeil and Pridam. He has the speed, energy and finish to work well there. This assumes you Campbell is not able to return.

I'm a Salituro fan, but I'd sit him as he's not a defensive specialist so wouldn't work well on the 4th line (replacing Houde) and double shift someone off the 3rd line. This allows you to insert Denny or Priamo as an extra D-Man.

I'l like to see Denny on Offensive Face-offs and the 2nd PP unit (much like Mike Dombkiewicz did when he was here in '03 and '04 as well as Craig Perry).

For game 3 - move Houde-Caron to the 2nd line (if Campbell don't return) and put Salituro on the 3rd line to replace Critchlow. Or Houde-Caron to replace Critchelow and Salituro/Denny/Priamo on 4th line.

Interesting topic, but I have to trust that the kick in the pants (the lose) is all they need to get back into the series and play 60min and win two tight games in a row.

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02-23-2013, 08:16 PM
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I don't know that they should be overreacting too much to one loss. Remember, for as bad as they played, they were only down a goal until the final minute. No need to blow things up after one loss...I think UPEI would see that and give them even more confidence/use it as motivation, thinking "hey, we are in their heads now" or "they are panicking now". I suspect the line-up won't be changed around too much (minus the changes that will come from having Critchlow out). If Campbell is back put him on the 2nd line and move Salituro to the 3rd line in Critchlow's spot. If Campbell is still out put Salituro/Houde-Caron on the 2nd and 3rd lines and then put Denny on the 4th line with MacDougall and Fillier.

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Parks was solid for sure but he only had to make one big save (the Culligan partial breakaway). Overall the Panthers made sure he didn't face too many difficult shots.

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Moving Salituro out of lineup won't solve what went wrong the other night. It was a team "stink-bomb" aside from the goaltending. UPEI deserved the win, simple.

Many players - including those with pedigree - stunk the joint out.

Robertson, who has become a favorite of mine for his solid defensive zone play, lost his composure early and never regained it - played reckless. Culligan had so many giveaways I lost count - but at least he was trying! Carroll - I wouldnt have known he was playing if it wasnt for his locks. Swan is not bringing what we thought he would. And the list goes on...

The key player move in my mind is getting Priamo back in lineup. A very steady, sound-positionally Dman who transitions the puck very well.

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02-25-2013, 11:09 AM
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Moving Salituro out of lineup won't solve what went wrong the other night. It was a team "stink-bomb" aside from the goaltending. UPEI deserved the win, simple.

Many players - including those with pedigree - stunk the joint out.

Robertson, who has become a favorite of mine for his solid defensive zone play, lost his composure early and never regained it - played reckless. Culligan had so many giveaways I lost count - but at least he was trying! Carroll - I wouldnt have known he was playing if it wasnt for his locks. Swan is not bringing what we thought he would. And the list goes on...

The key player move in my mind is getting Priamo back in lineup. A very steady, sound-positionally Dman who transitions the puck very well.
Hard to take out any of the current defensemen to get Priamo in, but I'd maybe consider the idea (as gleanerguy suggested) moving Todd up to forward and dressing Priamo.

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The key player move in my mind is getting Priamo back in lineup. A very steady, sound-positionally Dman who transitions the puck very well.
A stay at home D-Man playing with Desnoyer isn't a bad thing

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Unb

Was Robertson out of the lineup last game?
Taylor Macdougal played more physical in Charlottetown, seemed more effective.
Are hands on deck from the weekend bang show?

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Was Robertson out of the lineup last game?
Yep, Denny took his spot.

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I don't read the DG a ton but I would love to see one of the columnists call out some of the Fredericton hockey "fans"...I know there is a lot of hockey going on all over the city but only seeing 2200 at the AUC tonight was pretty sad.

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I don't read the DG a ton but I would love to see one of the columnists call out some of the Fredericton hockey "fans"...I know there is a lot of hockey going on all over the city but only seeing 2200 at the AUC tonight was pretty sad.
I expected a sell-out but a lot of people are gone away for March Break.

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I expected a sell-out but a lot of people are gone away for March Break.
UNB really only sells out deciding playoff games (game 5 against X in 2011, game 3 in 2009 against SMU come to mind) or the odd regular season game on elementary school night....and usually there are a bunch of free tickets given away.

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Very disappointed in the small crowd tonight. I consider 2200 for a Saturday playoff game small. Ironically Dave Morell boasted about UNB having the best attendance in the CIS this season. Considering we have an elite team with no competition in town it isn't as impressive as it sounds.

Oh well. They missed an amazing game.

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As one of the DG columnists, I can tell you that you cannot order or challenge people to come out to a hockey game. UNB and Saint Mary's should be an easy sell, but its $12 a head for a series that, other than the prestige of winning the AUS banner and determining a more favourable seed for the CIS tournament, means nothing to the average fan. Both teams are going to Saskatoon anyway.
There was also the ACAA men's and women's basketball championship tournament going on at the bottom of the hill. Some sports fans chose to spend their money there.

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As one of the DG columnists, I can tell you that you cannot order or challenge people to come out to a hockey game. UNB and Saint Mary's should be an easy sell, but its $12 a head for a series that, other than the prestige of winning the AUS banner and determining a more favourable seed for the CIS tournament, means nothing to the average fan. Both teams are going to Saskatoon anyway.
So why the bad attendance for the PEI series?

It was the same thing during the playoffs with the Baby Habs. There were always 1001 excuses as to why Frederictonians were not showing up to the games. Remember the 95' Calder Cup run? No sellouts. It was so bad that they had to take out an advert begging people to come to the games.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Fredericton is not a hockey town.

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There was also the ACAA men's and women's basketball championship tournament going on at the bottom of the hill. Some sports fans chose to spend their money there.
ACAA basketball? Nominal impact.

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You say that, but I was there and there were about 600 fans, including some I was sure would be at the hockey game. And I agree: Fredericton is not a great hockey town. There's a lot of it...none of it supported very well. UNB crowds in season count the season ticket base from passes for all sports. In playoffs, they start from zero...and the 1500-2000 who show up are a more accurate read of the fan base. It's why the Q would not work long term here, despite how people don't want to hear it.

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You could pretty much repost all the recent comments every year at this time! This is nothing new.

At end of day numbers are the numbers - UNB is one of most well-attended programs in CIS. That they should be proud of. During playoffs you see other teams with minimal fan base all of a sudden have Insta-fans; numbers change dramatically. At UNB we see the numbers drop, but still more than respectable levels by CIS standards.

I agree with GleanerGuy to a degree - we are fair weather fans. Some of us (mostly seasoned adults) seldom miss a game. But many - it is more a novelty. Remember the year the AHL team played in Finals in June and the rink was half empty????

A few factors affect playoffs every year. First, season tickets are no longer in the count - and with that you lose corporate tickets. They wont buy for individual games. And a mid-week game - whoa THat is the convenience of the season ticket! Affects the base noticeably come playoffs.

Second, take a look at crowds in other rinks during playoffs. Notice a key difference? UNB students have NEVER been prominent in the rink, not in the 30+ years I have been following UNB hockey - the Freddy fan base tends to be adult-oriented, with a smattering of younger fans.

Thirdly, like it or not this is March Break and it is pretty common that half of Freddey travels south. I was at a local restaurant Friday and the staff commented on how dead it was THU night and FRI, and that March Break is a slow week.

All in all, 2250 is not a bad crowd. Yeah it is the Finals and it is SMU - but at same time did we really expect more? Not. If there is a game 3 it will be well-attended...but I am sure it still wont be enough for some.

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Yeah I think I am mainly just disappointed that UNB doesn't seem to see any bump in attendance for the playoffs. Look at Alberta last night...they average probably about 1000/game and they had 2000...Carleton and Waterloo this week had their rinks jammed packed (although they appear to have pretty small capacities, but Waterloo apparently turned away 400+ last night)...UPEI only had standing rook tickets for both games against UNB...St. FX/SMU a couple years ago had what? 4-5K for their game 5.


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If you are a real hockey "fan", paying 12 bucks to watch live the best hockey on the ice, in the province, shouldn't be much of a detriment. After all, it is two very good teams battling for a championship.

If you only care to pay 12 bucks to come out for a deciding playoff game in any given year when it determines whether UNB makes it to Nationals or not, then you're a pretty selective or casual hockey fan.

If you only go to regular season games because a sponsor or buddy gives you a ticket and won't pay for playoffs, well then you're a very casual fan, and one of the notorious frugal Frederictonians.

If you won't pay for a playoff game because it is a whole two bucks more than the regular season price, well then you've got issues, because that's the way it is done in just about every rink in North America.

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VredsRule raises a good point. All of the other playoff teams in the AUS and CIS appear to get a big attendance bump-up from students. UNB students all bail out of Fredericton for reading week, even the townies who appear to be able to afford to go somewhere ...

And back to what GleanerGuy said, and I've agreed with him many times on this, Fredericton is not truly a great hockey town. It is an event city (like the sellout for the UNB-Russians game or the University Cup games). Major Junior would never survive here. And as good as the V-Reds draw over the season (the best in the CIS), they work hard marketing-wise to get those numbers. Considering the quality of the product on the ice, they should sell out every game. Not gonna happen (unless they give away free tickets like the school nights).


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Very disappointed in the small crowd tonight. I consider 2200 for a Saturday playoff game small. Ironically Dave Morell boasted about UNB having the best attendance in the CIS this season. Considering we have an elite team with no competition in town it isn't as impressive as it sounds.

Oh well. They missed an amazing game.
You can say that again. The game was great.

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You say that, but I was there and there were about 600 fans, including some I was sure would be at the hockey game. And I agree: Fredericton is not a great hockey town. There's a lot of it...none of it supported very well. UNB crowds in season count the season ticket base from passes for all sports. In playoffs, they start from zero...and the 1500-2000 who show up are a more accurate read of the fan base. It's why the Q would not work long term here, despite how people don't want to hear it.
Absolutely agree with everything here.

If you look down the road to Moncton and Saint John, you can easily see there is more interest in the hockey there. The Wildcats were a sub-.500 team last season with a 30-31-3 record and drew an average attandance of 4258 which was 4th best in the QMJHL. The Sea Dogs were the best team in the league and drew an average attendance of 4561, good for 3rd in the QMJHL. Halifax was 2nd in the QMJHL last year with an average attendance of 6608. So it's safe to say there are some strong hockey markets in the Maritimes, but Fredericton isn't one of them.

I'd actually be sold bold as to say that if UdeM played in an arena the size of the AUC they'd draw better attendance than UNB does.

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