He'd be a coward if he didn't fight, but is one for not taking off his helmet in a fight he didn't start.
Maybe he should just make everything right for once? Fight and take off your helmet? Don't know why this is so complicated. He looks like a ***** fighting with a visor ..
Yeah he could have skated away there, but he didn't, so if you fight, take off your helmet if you have a visor. It's not a big thing. Nobody forced him to fight, in the end it was his descision so make it a fair fight then
And I'm sure you would of been the first one on here whining about Phaneuf not fighting.
Yes Clarkson wanted a fight, and Phaneuf stood there for a good 7 seconds before trying the *****y little sneak attack by quickly throwing his globes and going for what looked like a headlock.
And I'm sure you would of been the first one on here whining about Phaneuf not fighting.
Not true, since it wasn't a dirty hit at all, he did interfere there but well. You don't have to defend yourself for clean hits, but if you do, make it right.
Maybe he should just make everything right for once? Fight and take off your helmet? Don't know why this is so complicated. He looks like a ***** fighting with a visor ..
I'm all for somebody taking off the visor in a fight but I've always believed that whoever initiates the fight should be the one to initiate the helmet toss, whether they have a visor or not.
I'm all for somebody taking off the visor in a fight but I've always believed that whoever initiates the fight should be the one to initiate the helmet toss, whether they have a visor or not.
I don't know, the helmet really isn't a problem in a fight, the visor is.
It's not like he went looking for a fight, that would be different.
He has no obligation to remove his helmet in a fight started by someone else.
Colton Orr, his teammate, had his career nearly ended because he had his head slammed to the ice after a fight.
'Started' probably isn't the best word. Clarkson was getting at him trying to get him to go, for sure, but he didn't 'force' the fight on him. Meaning he didn't jump him. Phaneuf didn't skate away. If he did, they wouldn't have fought. He talked to Clarkson, then tried to surprise him with punch. He knew was going to fight him eventually. Call it an unwritten rule that Phaneuf ignored (and he's not the first). Like I said, not a huge deal at this point, but he'd sure look better if he took it off.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with what Clarkson did. Phaneuf dropped Parise and it's entirely in Clarkson's right to send his message.
I just think that Phaneuf shouldn't HAVE to fight there. Clarkson challenged him for an eternity with no intention of paying attention to the play. It just seems like cut and dry instigating to me.
Clarkson did instigate, there is no question about that. Phaneuf hit Parise and I'm sure he knew he was going to have to answer the bell. I give him credit for dropping the gloves even though he was reluctant too at first. I'm just saying it doesn't matter if it's a clean hit or not, when a team's star get rocked a fight will happen. If Phaneuf had hit say Bernier or someone like, then I would think fighting after a clean hit is dumb
Thats what they said on SNET too. Hit was legal. I am still unsure, why a player MUST fight after landing a hit on a player. The guy paid price for being weak on skates, why fight other guy for that?
Because sending a message that his captain is not to be crushed and potentially injured without consequence (legal or otherwise; this was definitely legal, though) is more important to Clarkson (or any player worth a damn, really) than someone on a message board thinking Phaneuf should or shouldn't have to for...whatever reason.
It never ceases to amaze me that any human being on earth would struggle to understand this.
Good hit, good fight. Props to Phaneuf for answering the bell.
I don't know, the helmet really isn't a problem in a fight, the visor is.
I agree but I'm not tossing my helmet unless the other guy does. Whether it has a visor or not, that thing can be pretty helpful against my head smacking into the ice.
If Clarkson wants Phaneuf's helmet off, he has to toss his, imo. It's a spur or the moment fight so I have no real problems with either keeping their helmet though.
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Originally Posted by Nocashstyle
Clarkson did instigate, there is no question about that. Phaneuf hit Parise and I'm sure he knew he was going to have to answer the bell. I give him credit for dropping the gloves even though he was reluctant too at first. I'm just saying it doesn't matter if it's a clean hit or not, when a team's star get rocked a fight will happen. If Phaneuf had hit say Bernier or someone like, then I would think fighting after a clean hit is dumb
It seems we essentially agree, at least as much as fans of opposing teams can. You drop a star player, you gotta expect somebody to come after you and that's fine. If Kessel or Lupul are hit by Clarkson, I fully expect Schenn or Brown or..whoever to have a discussion with him. I just don't like this philosophy that Dion HAS to be fight or else be condemned to being a spot picker or a coward or..whatever.
Last edited by Paris in Flames: 02-21-2012 at 07:07 PM.
Agreed about the fighting after a clean hit. However, let's not forget Dion did this not too long ago in a game against Ottawa. Foligno got him with a perfect hip check, he stayed down for a minute (after making sure the ref was calling it) and then instigated a fight against Foligno on his next shift.
