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02-21-2012, 08:51 PM
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For better or worse, I feel a shake-up trading coming, whether it's Nash or not.

None of think this team is cup worthy, I can't imagine DW does. He's going to do something stupid.

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I don't see how a deal couldn't include havlat.

Clowe + Havlat for Nash as a basis? We'd need to add, but salary cap is there, too.

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None of think this team is cup worthy, I can't imagine DW does. He's going to do something stupid.
Good. This board has been painfully boring lately. I want to rage.

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If they insist on either of them being involved, you walk away. It's that simple.
Thankfully DW is not a dummy GM like so many others

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I don't see how a deal couldn't include havlat.

Clowe + Havlat for Nash as a basis? We'd need to add, but salary cap is there, too.
NTC, jeezus. Doug Wilson has NEVER asked a player to waive a NTC. Not once. It's total counter productive for a team that ALREADY Has a tough time bringing in players outside of trades.

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Yah... Huskins, Moen, Wallin, Guerin... He never does anything stupid

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This is probably it gentlemen. It's Cup or bust time for the Sharks, so future cap be damned.

Marleau-Thornton-Pavelski
Nash-Cooter-Havlat

That's a pretty brutal top-6.

However,

Wingels-Thornton-Pavelski
Marleau-Cooter-Havlat
Nash-Moore-McGinn

is a wicked and deep top-9.

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I don't see how a deal couldn't include havlat.

Clowe + Havlat for Nash as a basis? We'd need to add, but salary cap is there, too.
Cant include 2 top 6 forwards. Then wed only have 5, and wed be worse off.

Im in the corner of trade Havlat+Murray to even salary (300k diff) and then add picks + prospects.

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NTC, jeezus. Doug Wilson has NEVER asked a player to waive a NTC. Not once. It's total counter productive for a team that ALREADY Has a tough time bringing in players outside of trades.
Fair enough, didn't know Havlat's NTC was still active, sorry.

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Fair enough, didn't know Havlat's NTC was still active, sorry.
It's been discussed to freaking death. Sorry, I'm in a lousy mood.

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I don't see how a deal couldn't include havlat.

Clowe + Havlat for Nash as a basis? We'd need to add, but salary cap is there, too.
Say what? Then we'd be short a top six forward. That would make it worse.

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02-21-2012, 09:00 PM
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For better or worse, I feel a shake-up trading coming, whether it's Nash or not.

None of think this team is cup worthy, I can't imagine DW does. He's going to do something stupid.
Don't say that, HB. I'm already worried.

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Two highly paid forwards is more than enough. When you get three, you're limiting what you can dress for your depth. 7.8 million is enough to sign two quality second liners, so you're essentially robbing yourself of two forwards to overload your first line. That mindset won't work in the playoffs because every team has their own first line and defensive pair that can match your own, but the other lines will have an advantage.
Boston, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh all had multiple top-tier players. Some of them might have been on the cheap b/c of their age, but they were star players non-the-less.

But I am coming around to your overall point. SJ can't have 4 forwards making over 6 million....

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However,

Wingels-Thornton-Pavelski
Marleau-Cooter-Havlat
Nash-Moore-McGinn

is a wicked and deep top-9.
Wingels has shown to be ineffective on the top-line when going against playoff teams.

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I'm kinda sad we didn't trade Clowe to the Leafs a month ago, to be perfectly honest.

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Boston, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh all had multiple top-tier players. Some of them might have been on the cheap b/c of their age, but they were star players non-the-less.

But I am coming around to your overall point. SJ can't have 4 forwards making over 6 million....
HUH? we have 2 currently, and Havlat at 5m. You may mean players in general, but even then 4 isnt to bad. We had Heatley last season, and we sure as hell were doing better then than we are now.

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I'm kinda sad we didn't trade Clowe to the Leafs a month ago, to be perfectly honest.
Yeah, we could use Komisarek.

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Yeah, we could use Komisarek.
We could use Kulemin, Kadri, and a 1st.

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I don't see how a deal couldn't include havlat.

Clowe + Havlat for Nash as a basis? We'd need to add, but salary cap is there, too.
It likely won't if he has anything resembling a clause at this point. Even if he just has a handful of teams to not be dealt to, one would have to be Columbus is on there. However, even if you dismiss it, moving Clowe and Havlat for Nash makes the team worse substantially.

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He can make a dumb move now and then but he generally keeps those dumb moves to the depth players rather than the blockbusters.

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NTC, jeezus. Doug Wilson has NEVER asked a player to waive a NTC. Not once. It's total counter productive for a team that ALREADY Has a tough time bringing in players outside of trades.



Yah... Huskins, Moen, Wallin, Guerin... He never does anything stupid
The thought behind those trades, with the exception of Wallin, was nice but it just didn't work out. He has generally kept the mistakes to the guys that doesn't require much of a commitment beyond the trade itself and isn't for guys that have to be relied upon for the long term success of the franchise. When he gets big time players, they generally go well for them...even the Heatley trade wasn't that bad as the trade itself was a good value.

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This is probably it gentlemen. It's Cup or bust time for the Sharks, so future cap be damned.

Marleau-Thornton-Pavelski
Nash-Cooter-Havlat

That's a pretty brutal top-6.

However,

Wingels-Thornton-Pavelski
Marleau-Cooter-Havlat
Nash-Moore-McGinn

is a wicked and deep top-9.
You don't pick up Nash to put him on the 3rd line...especially when you're putting Wingels on the top line. Getting Nash can help the team if it's for the right guys. It'll just depend on the price.

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I'm kinda sad we didn't trade Clowe to the Leafs a month ago, to be perfectly honest.
For Schenn? lol I'm glad we didn't dump Clowe for him.

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And you are thinking that thronton, marleau, boyle, will all be making the same amount as they are in 3 years. If those 3 players are still with the sharks it won't be at 6.6 mil, 6.9 mil and 7.0 mil, they will all be much less. I am one of the biggest thornton fans there is, but if he is paid anything over 6 mil his next contract then it is a huge over payment.

Boyle will most likely be gone after or before his contract is up, as the sharks have already signed his replacement long term in burns.
You can get a clue on future contracts by looking at the individual years. JT's current contract is 8, 7, 6. Likely means that his next contract has a first year of <6mil and an average of much less if it is multi-year. Patty's is flat at 6.9mil for all years so no clue there. I do think that Patty would drop, but to where?

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Boston, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh all had multiple top-tier players. Some of them might have been on the cheap b/c of their age, but they were star players non-the-less.

But I am coming around to your overall point. SJ can't have 4 forwards making over 6 million....
I don't think his point was around the # of star players, but the amount those star players are getting paid.
During their Cup runs: Detroit had 3 players over 6 million, none over 7. Chicago had tons of ELCs. Philly had 2 players a little over 6 million. Pittsburgh, aside from Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury did not have any expensive players. Boston, aside from Chara, nobody made over 5 million.

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I don't think it would be a mistake to trade Clowe + Demers + 1st 2012 + 2nd 2013 for Nash if it came to it. It's hard to imagine what the team would play like after that trade, but I think it would be beneficial. It is cup or bust.

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I'd be fine with Nash, just because if he doesn't work out then we'll get a huge exciting rebuild.

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For better or worse, I feel a shake-up trading coming, whether it's Nash or not.

None of think this team is cup worthy, I can't imagine DW does. He's going to do something stupid.
Yah. This is going to happen. And it would set us back.

I still think that with Havlat back we can be a fairly good playoff team. But having good players means nothing if the players dont show up to play.

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