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02-22-2012, 12:26 PM
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We need to keep Wellwood on the team. 36 pts for what, 725k? Re-sign that man and give him a raise.
Dont get me wrong, thats one hell of a bargain. I just don't think he should be on the second line.

I'm fine if he's on the team next year, I just see him as a bottom 6 player.

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Easily the most heartbreaking loss of the season. Pavs deserved to win after that performance and I can't imagine being in that dressing room and looking at him dejected after you guys completely let him down in the 3rd and sat around doing absolutely nothing.

That being said, we stole a point from one of the top teams in the East without playing one of our best games. As Claude said what are you gonna do now? Just gotta come out and play our best game of the season against Tampa and forget about it.

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They are SO screwed. They have tried to rework their goaltending over and over and over again. They still don't have close to cup contending netminding. So, what do they do? They can't trade Bryz, he has a ridiculous contract. They shouldn't give up on Bobrovsky, he's still young.

They have to try to get a 3rd goaltender for the playoffs but who? They would have to waive Bryzgalov most likely which causes more headaches.

I don't think the Flyers can win the cup this year.
The Flyers will never win another Stanley Cup as long as Ed Snyder and Bobby Clarke are alive - his behaviour regarding Eric Lindros' multiple concussions was inexcusable (I don't like Lindros either, but good lord man, he suffered terrible concussions which ended his career far too early). Even at his peak as a player in the early 70's I didn't like Clarke, and after his shenanigans in the inaugural Summit Series I had absolutely no use for him. I met him several times while I worked for the Jets 1.0 while he was in charge of the Florida Panthers, and his demeanour as the Cats GM only served to reinforce my opinion of him.

Since Pelle Lindberg's time with the Flyers, Philadelphia has become a goaltender's Black Hole - eating the poor souls alive leaving nothing but husks of men who soon flame out and retire, get traded, get buried in the minors, or worse. Even the legendary Ron Hextall wasn't immune to the Flyer Effect.

Mark my words - the day that Ed Snyder dies will be Bobby Clarke's last day as a Flyer employee, and the following year the Flyers will win a Stanley Cup.

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02-22-2012, 12:59 PM
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Watched alot of the game, when did you guys sign Patric Roy? lol. Jeeze what a performance.

Our division is hysterical .. I know the loss sucks but the point keeps you on our arse, dont be too down. Your fans are hysterical. I (former ranger blueseater) like to take credit for the jeering of the goalie when in 1994 we did it to hextall in the first round of playoffs v isles, derisively chanting his name. Not sure if it was done before.

The Southeast Division: You take it, no you take it, no you, no really you take it......
I don't want to be Debbie Downer to you, but I was part of the crowd that started chanting at Reggie Lemelin during the Jets 1.0 first round series against the Flames in 1984, and I think we picked up that behaviour from the Habs fans who would chant at any player they hated, whether or not that player was a Hab! I seem to recall that happening during the 70's as the Habs fans jeered the Bruins players and their coach, Don Cherry, during a playoff series, maybe in '79? (somebody help me out here!)

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You can tell Pavs really cares about winning, when he was the best player from the jets tonight, and was one of the only ones who showed he was upset after the game. Great game Pavs.
I thought Andrew Ladd and Brian Little both sounded a little angry during the post-game show. Not upset, but actually angry.

Gold, I tell you, Gold - the post-game call in show is worth listening to, if only to hear Rick Ralph start getting a little edgy with the callers. LOL, he hung up on Gregory from River Heights, and I can't remember my wife laughing so hard at a radio program before.

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Wow, what a game!

You know you're into the game to an unhealthy level when you're watching it on the PVR, and you still don't stop it to go to the bathroom.

Like a lot of people, this games gives me mixed emotions. On one hand I'm glad for the point because with the shots we gave up I can't say we deserved it. On the flipside, we were 10 seconds away from 2 points and our goalie deserved a better fate. So it's hard to not feel a little down.

I agree with the sentiment that we really missed Bogosian tonight. I also agree with the idea that it would be nice to add a big, nasty #4D to this squad. I've liked Oduya's game since his early struggles, and Hainsey's ok (I don't like him as much as others but that's ok), but when either of them is pressed into tougher minutes against top opponents, I don't think they can handle it consistently. Having one of Hainsey or Oduya with Stuart next year as the 3rd pair, and adding a big, mean, tough SOB to go with Bogo might be more important than adding another C (considering Burmi's improved play and the ability to run Little, Burmi, and Antro).

My only concern right now is how the team bounces back for the game against TB.
Ditto (about the PVR). I didn't delete last night's game, either. I got up this morning and watched "The Save" several more times.

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I don't want to be Debbie Downer to you, but I was part of the crowd that started chanting at Reggie Lemelin during the Jets 1.0 first round series against the Flames in 1984, and I think we picked up that behaviour from the Habs fans who would chant at any player they hated, whether or not that player was a Hab! I seem to recall that happening during the 70's as the Habs fans jeered the Bruins players and their coach, Don Cherry, during a playoff series, maybe in '79? (somebody help me out here!)
Not a downer!!! love hockey history, so if thats true, cool!

The funniest thing we did ws in round 2 after shelling hextall, we chanted " we want hextall all next round.

So Im a fan of the crowd involvement, and tune in your games sometimes for that reason...

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He has shut down defencemen, he just didn't use them.
Who are these shut down defensemen you are talking about?

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Sorry if this was addressed previously , was out watching the game and couldn't completely focus like at the game or at home . I kept saying Noel needed to call a time out and didn't notice that he did , did he?

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Funny, I was laughed at for suggesting this could happen earlier in the year...
Not by me you weren't.

I think it's a pretty stupid thing to do.

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Sorry if this was addressed previously , was out watching the game and couldn't completely focus like at the game or at home . I kept saying Noel needed to call a time out and didn't notice that he did , did he?

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Not that I can recall.

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... the post-game call in show is worth listening to, if only to hear Rick Ralph start getting a little edgy with the callers. LOL, he hung up on Gregory from River Heights, and I can't remember my wife laughing so hard at a radio program before.
It's pretty entertaining if you remember most of the callers are retreads. Instead of hanging up on someone - just don't take his call the next time.

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Who are these shut down defensemen you are talking about?
They play for the Timbits team.

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Not that I can recall.
For all the talk about how bad Oduya , Hainsey , Enstrom , Buff , Slater et all were , the real focus should be on the non time out call imo. It was so evident it was needed and also the easiest action to impliment.

That imo cost us one point.

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Who are these shut down defensemen you are talking about?
The one's he uses on the PK. There job is for the opposition not to score. We were trying to hold our lead, so I would have gone with them.

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7 out of 8 possible points in the last 4 and with the reactions here you'd think they were on a 4 game losing streak.
I guess i'm the only one in a good mood today, winning last night would've been huge but we got a point we prob didnt deserve.

I got home late last night from an internet-free vacay down south and took today off and watched the bruins, avs, and flyers games. Who are these guys and what happened to our impotent jets? Witnessing 13 goals in one day and getting 5 of 6 points aint bad. Only complaint? Had to pvr third period of flyers game replayed on nhl network due to running out of space last night and they showed the game but didnt show the OT. Wtf!?!?

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Nope games in hand.
Irrelevant since the standings dont actually mean anything until after every team has played 82. Then yes, it is most wins in reg and ot, then head to head record. You can post em in any order you wish now.

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Irrelevant since the standings dont actually mean anything until after every team has played 82. Then yes, it is most wins in reg and ot, then head to head record. You can post em in any order you wish now.
Let me out-pedantic you. Though you're 100% right that games in hand mean nothing at the end of the year, as there are none, it's not incorrect to place teams based on fewer number of games played DURING the regular season, as per the NHL:

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1.The fewer number of games played (i.e., superior points percentage).

2.The greater number of games won, excluding games won in the Shootout. This figure is reflected in the ROW column.

3.The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing.

4.The greater differential between goals for and against for the entire regular season. NOTE: In standings a victory in a shootout counts as one goal for, while a shootout loss counts as one goal against.
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Let me out-pedantic you. Though you're 100% right that games in hand mean nothing at the end of the year, as there are none, it's not incorrect to place teams based on fewer number of games played DURING the regular season, as per the NHL:



Not trying to be a d-bag, I swear!
I know, i know, i thought my post was a bit d-bag'ish, but i'm allowed once in a blue moon, right?

I also think points % is a meaningless number with 3 point games available. In one of the games (just watched the last 3 today, all a blur) beyak said so and so is .500 when doing such and such, they are 12-12-4. Imo, that is not .500. Or maybe it is .500, but .500 aint .500 anymore, if you know what i mean

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Ithey are 12-12-4. Imo, that is not .500. Or maybe it is .500, but .500 aint .500 anymore, if you know what i mean
it if it was 12 non-shootout wins and every one of the 4 is a shootout loss, then it's .500. at least according to the no-loser point version of the standings.

http://powerscouthockey.com/enhanced-nhl-standings#

click on the 'no loser point' version to see the fictional standings from the old days

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If the Jets do make the playoffs, this game will be forgiven forgotten and flushed

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For all the talk about how bad Oduya , Hainsey , Enstrom , Buff , Slater et all were , the real focus should be on the non time out call imo. It was so evident it was needed and also the easiest action to impliment.

That imo cost us one point.
I believe the Jets used their timeout after an icing earlier in the game.

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I believe the Jets used their timeout after an icing earlier in the game.
I don't think so. Philadelphia did, but not the Jets.

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I don't think so. Philadelphia did, but not the Jets.
Well, Noel probably didn't want to give Philly any time to draw up a play where JVR rags it through the neutral zone until someone slew-foots a Jet forward at the blue line leaving Simmonds wide open for the game tying goal...HEY WAIT!!

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Well, Noel probably didn't want to give Philly any time to draw up a play where JVR rags it through the neutral zone until someone slew-foots a Jet forward at the blue line leaving Simmonds wide open for the game tying goal...HEY WAIT!!
But seriously, the Jets were treating the puck like a live grenade especially in the third period. It seemed like only a matter of time before Philadelphia would tie it up and eventually win.

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