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02-22-2012, 12:35 PM
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Pouliot was a healthy scratch on a lot of nights and had been playing in the A the year prior. That was a brutal deal.

Not that we could've gotten a legit top 6 player for Lats.
it was seen as a trade of equals at that time

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02-22-2012, 12:41 PM
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it was seen as a trade of equals at that time
By whom? Any neutral observer would've said that made no sense for the Habs.

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While I do agree that management has a track record of "giving up" much much too soon, not all those players were "squandered".

Ribeiro = massive squander....I mean massive (yes a problem, but we could have gotten more for him)
S Kostitsyn = pretty big squandered piece

Grabovski = Not Squandered (at the time). We got Greg Pateryn and a 2nd back (the 2nd was turned into Lang...but hey, that's a whole other thing)

Latendresse = not squandered (at the time). We got Benoit Pouliot, who, while he had problems at the time, was still seen as a blue chipper who could blow up at any time.......and to be fair, he did.....as in just blew. And also to be fair Lats has become an injury prone player while Pouliot has become an ok 3rd liner on a deep team.
There is nothing on the current roster or that will reach a future roster to show for 3 pretty good players. That's called squandering . Also called incompetence. Disgraceful.

Lots of it in Montreal.

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02-22-2012, 12:51 PM
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I have no issue with moving Ribero and SK, both guys were a problem in the room and off the ice. Neither guy had a great track record on the ice thus had little trade value. Sure, it would have been nice to get more, but at some point you have to cut bait for the good of the team. I'm sure neither guy would have had that success had they stayed here, going to non hockey markets definitely helped their careers.

Grabovsky had a few run ins with mangement and we didn't have a top 6 spot for him at the time, can't complain about the return. Other than last year's career year he's never reached 50 points, not a huge loss.

Latendresse I hated the deal at the time and still do...lucky for us he got hurt because he's badly outplayed Pouliot since the deal...82 GP 33-19-52 vs 170 GP 37-35-72 Pouliot has needed more than twice the games to score 4 more goals. That deal was a case of trading a player with his value at the absolute lowest, very poor asset mangement. The year before he had 14 goals in 56 games(20 gaol pace) playing with Lapierre and Kostopoulos and basically no PP time.

People make a huge deal of "players that got away" but in the NHL some players don't work in one place and get traded cheap or let go and have success elswhere. Guys like Briere Peverley St.Louis Thomas Lupul Whitney Parenteau Vrbata Moulson Sharp Versteeg Fleischmann Elliott Boyle Wideman Quincy are all guys that were traded dirt cheap or given away.


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02-22-2012, 01:13 PM
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Teams like Dallas and Nashvile were taking a chance on guys like Sergei and Ribeiro, who despite proving they had the skill to produce in NHL, their off ice problems were well documented (to the point that their current team was ditching them).

You can't expect major return on these situations unless you are talking about a guy who is a proven all-star. From Dallas/Nashville point of view pre-trade, these two guys' issues could easily persist so they feel they are taking a risk picking them up, and won't give up major assets. Lots of times it doesn't work out too, look at stuff like Higgins or Jokinen on the NYR.

it's easy to look back now, but at the time people aren't paying much for guys like that.

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02-22-2012, 01:20 PM
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People make a huge deal of "players that got away" but in the NHL some players don't work in one place and get traded cheap or let go and have success elswhere. Guys like Briere Peverley St.Louis Thomas Lupul Whitney Parenteau Vrbata Moulson Sharp Versteeg Fleischmann Elliott Boyle Wideman Quincy are all guys that were traded dirt cheap or given away.
Their teams are probably doing well enough to not care or haven't been doing it consistently.

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Please stay away from Mike Ribeiro. He represent everything this team shouldn't be. I don't suggest we take a player such as Avery instead. Couldn't Enquist emerge from his black inconfidence hole and morph into a young Mats Sundin or Mark Messier. That's what this team really need.

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02-22-2012, 01:21 PM
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Sam Hurd must have provided him with some nice smoking plants but now he has no one to buy them from.

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02-22-2012, 01:39 PM
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I am a huge fan of Ribeiro: I like his playmaking abilities (his capacity to read and/or slow down the play is elite) and confidence level. I also like his Subban like ability to gets under everyone's skin!

Btw... nice celebration by Ribeiro:



Thanks to Mathias Brunet for the link

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02-22-2012, 01:41 PM
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At the time, there was a battle to see who should be the team's #1 centre between Ribeiro and Koivu. I assume it was the Koivu fans that were happy when he was traded. The team wasn't big enough for both of them and Ribs was outpacing Koivu so something had to give. Too bad every time Mtl has an issue with a player they give him away for peanuts. That's not how u do business.
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The battle between wasn't for who was the #1 center. The problem was that Ribs was an immature brat with a rock star attitude that was shared with his other 2 amigos and it rubbed their teamates the wrong way.

Ribs being traded was not the problem. The problem was the peanuts we got in exchange. But that is also partially Ribs fault for driving his value so low that most teams in search of a center didn't want him. He was still #2 in Dallas. Behind Modano and then behind Richards.

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02-22-2012, 04:52 PM
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I wouldn't take him back at league minimum.

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02-22-2012, 05:29 PM
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He has a great talent. We need those.

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He has a great talent. We need those.
The guy was a distraction at best. His antics on and off the ice were disrespectful to the City and the CH. His little show last night shows he's the same puke he always was. Addition by subraction was the phrase coined when he was traded. Just as true today as it was then.

If there was anyone I would bring back it would be a character guy that bled for the Habs. Koivu would be the guy, class act all the way.

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