In the cap era, removing cap hit from the equation when judging a highly paid player's performance is NOT judging them objectively.
and that is YOUR MISTAKE, not mine .. my comments are ONLY about the on ice play. you THINK i'm talking about the contract.
you can factor in contracts to judge 'contract value and worth', but i'm not talking about that.we are, indeed, talking about 2 different things.
that's why there should be a 'Bryzgalov Game analysis ' Thread in addition to this "Will Bryzgalov ever be worth his contract?" thread
unless you're one of the guys who sets expectations based on contract terms.
So Holmgren...
Expecting another Leighton (Bryzgalov)...
Decided to pay 5.67m for a Leighton (Bryzgalov)...
A commodity that already existed at 1.55m...
Basically, what you're saying is that Holmgren loved his subpar goaltender at 1.55m so much that he went out and spent 5.67m on another one.
"That cheesesteak gave me food poisoning. I think I'll buy another one for three times the price. That way I'll be completely satisfied knowing what I'm getting."
and that is YOUR MISTAKE, not mine .. my comments are ONLY about the on ice play. you THINK i'm talking about the contract.
you can factor in contracts to judge 'contract value and worth', but i'm not talking about that.we are, indeed, talking about 2 different things.
that's why there should be a 'Bryzgalov Game analysis ' Thread in addition to this "Will Bryzgalov ever be worth his contract?" thread
This is probably the 5th time you've completely shifted the argument in the last 24 hours.
Even if you're judging his on ice play without thinking of contract, there is no objective way to say that he has been good this season. He's been outperformed by just about everyone.
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as is mine to judge him based on the on ice play .. that's just how i judge EVERY goalie in the NHL - i have no clue what they make ... i'm just interested in the on ice stuff
And you do realize he has one of the worst save percentages in the entire league? You know, the stat that judges the amount of shots you actually save? Lemme guess, you don't like the stat because it doesn't take into account quality of shot? Well let's completely disregard batting average in baseball, because it doesn't measure the quality of pitches faced.....
This is probably the 5th time you've completely shifted the argument in the last 24 hours.
Even if you're judging his on ice play without thinking of contract, there is no objective way to say that he has been good this season.
nope, i've always maintained that my comments are ONLY about the on ice play.
and again, where have i ever posted he has been good this season? i've sad he's been better since the WC. stats back that up.
he's been better than Bob since the WC. stats back that up, too.
You can't possibly argue that his on-ice play has been good when it hasn't.
where have i ever posted he has been good this season? i've sad he's been better since the WC. stats back that up.
he's been better than Bob since the WC. stats back that up, too.
where have i ever posted he has been good this season? i've sad he's been better since the WC. stats back that up.
he's been better than Bob since the WC. stats back that up, too.
that's all ive said.
That's all true.
Better is a relative term though. Better is better than the best you were doing before.
If the best you were doing before was the worst among everyone, then even not being the worst anymore makes you better than your previous best.
It still does not mean he's been good. He's been "meh" since the WC. I calculate "meh" by averaging the fact that he's been decent sometimes and atrocious others.
Bottom line is that we are paying Bryz way too much money to perform like this, so we are all upset. If we were paying him less money and he performed like this, we would be upset, demanding Homer & Co. sign a "big time" goalie. Contracts, etc. aside, no one in Philadelphia is going to be happy until we have a dominant, top 3 or 5 in the league goaltender no matter how much we are paying him. This hasn't happened since 1980s Hextall IMO.
I just keep holding out hope that Bryz elevates his game despite the way he has played this season.
then why are you and Beef reading more into it, then ?
i said his 1st 26 games were not good over all. agreeing with many here.
i've sad he's been better since the WC.
and am judging the on ice goals against individually, because i like talking goalie technique - and don't like discussing contracts and expectations ... not sure why that is a no-no around here
Bottom line is that we are paying Bryz way too much money to perform like this, so we are all upset. If we were paying him less money and he performed like this, we would be upset, demanding Homer & Co. sign a "big time" goalie. Contracts, etc. aside, no one in Philadelphia is going to be happy until we have a dominant, top 3 or 5 in the league goaltender no matter how much we are paying him. This hasn't happened since 1980s Hextall IMO.
I just keep holding out hope that Bryz elevates his game despite the way he has played this season.
"Top 3" goaltender is such a broad term though.
Goaltending in the league is such a mercurial beast.
I just want a "good" goalie who can make saves when he isn't sheltered by our team's incredible depth.
Even though I thought we were significantly overpaying this offseason, I thought we were at least getting that.
Turns out we paid, and we didn't even get that. That's where the biggest problem is.
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then why are you and Beef reading more into it, then ?
i said his 1st 26 games were not good over all. agreeing with many here.
i've sad he's been better since the WC.
and am judging the on ice goals against individually, because i like talking goalie technique - and don't like discussing contracts and expectations ... not sure why that is a no-no around here
And he's still at a point where more than half the goals that go in are either obviously his fault or arguably his fault.
that number is so artificially high only because there are those here who blame him for everything .... break-aways, deflections 10 feet in front of the net, goals that get kicked in and don't even count .. it's ridiculous
as ridiculous as some discrediting a glove save on a puck that MIGHT have been high / wide
big deal ? not once have i ever said it was a big deal. i was pointing out to the 'Let Bob Play' crowd, that he's been worse than Bryz since the WC.
Well, here's the problem with that.
While I came to the conclusion that it might be in the Flyers' best interest to start Bryzgalov after the win yesterday to see if his teammates having to bail him out woke him up, I still wanted to see Bobrovsky get a long run where he was legitimately declared the starter; a point where the job was Bobrovsky's to lose.
Bryz has been given shot after shot. Bobrovsky has not.
So saying Bob has been worse than Bryz is not really fair. Bob hasn't been given the opportunity to see if he can build some confidence and some consistency by playing in a lengthy string of games. Bryz has gotten that opportunity time and time again all season.
So while I don't know if we should indeed turn it over to Bob now, I do know we have to make our decision soon. The stretch is coming up, and if we don't know by then we're doomed for an early exit.
Right now in my opinion they both suck. So arguing Bryz has been better is like arguing I like getting punched in the face more than I like someone keying my car.
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that number is so artificially high only because there are those here who blame him for everything .... break-aways, deflections 10 feet in front of the net, goals that get kicked in and don't even count .. it's ridiculous
as ridiculous as some discrediting a glove save that MIGHT have been high / wide
You're over-exaggerating.
Most would blame other people's mistakes if they were legitimately other people's mistakes and not Bryz's.
We over-analyze things to death on this board. I find it hard to believe we'd be blaming Bryzgalov for something that wasn't his fault.
And you do realize he has one of the worst save percentages in the entire league? You know, the stat that judges the amount of shots you actually save? Lemme guess, you don't like the stat because it doesn't take into account quality of shot? Well let's completely disregard batting average in baseball, because it doesn't measure the quality of pitches faced.....
and that's why in baseball they have a ton more stats...ba vs lhp/rhp. Splits by type of pitch, ect...
Bernie stop the crap, you are right in few things, but your so wrong in everything else.
Ppl here just want our goalie to steal the game once, just like Pavelec did for jets last game, the guy "let" in net 5 goal and was 1st star anyway.
While our goalie is sinking us down 99% percetns of games.. you cant deny that and his huge contract doesnt help
Excellent point and very true. I would just love to not cringe anymore every time we let up a shot on goal. In our D zone, I have the same feeling as if it is Playoff overtime, all the time haha
I've been following this team wayy tooo longg to give up on them though. God forbid Bryz turns it around and starts playing the way he did during his best seasons, I think everyone in the hockey world would agree we become a legit Cup contender.
and that's why in baseball they have a ton more stats...ba vs lhp/rhp. Splits by type of pitch, ect...
Sv% is not enough for me BY ITSELF.
I don't think Ryan miller is a ".908" goalie.
Nor do I think Elliot is a ".94+" goalie.
Is every lefty exactly the same? Does every curve break exactly the same? No, but it pretty much evens out over the course of an entire season. Every hitter faces nasty curves that drop off the table, just like every hitter gets hangers. In hockey, every goalie faces screens, deflections, and easy shots from the point.
