I think you guys are jumping all over Dalton Smith, Straka, and Lynch too soon. Lynch wasn't a point producer, and never has been, and never will be. He could be our home grown Sammy Pahlsson. I think we'll see him on our 3rd line in 3-4 years if he's still in the organization.
Smith is a smaller power forward, but he still gets the job done. His numbers aren't great, but think of him as a Steve Downie.
Straka is still TBD, I think he has 2nd line upside, but he can easily be a guy like Antoine Vermette (wing version, slower.) that is a good passer, but not much of anything else.
I actually thought this was a pretty good return. For a guy who has really underperformed his contract this year, we got decent value. Not to mention we free up some cap space. Look at it this way, the cap space Vermette took up is roughly the same that the first overall will take.
Way too many posts for a minor trade as this... if folks go outside their fishbowl and listen to main stream hockey media it was a fair trade. The CBJ need future picks and depth in goal tending, but the real winner was dumping 3 million in cap space...
A good trade but more trades are needed to purge the losing culture......
I think you guys are jumping all over Dalton Smith, Straka, and Lynch too soon. Lynch wasn't a point producer, and never has been, and never will be. He could be our home grown Sammy Pahlsson. I think we'll see him on our 3rd line in 3-4 years if he's still in the organization.
Smith is a smaller power forward, but he still gets the job done. His numbers aren't great, but think of him as a Steve Downie.
Straka is still TBD, I think he has 2nd line upside, but he can easily be a guy like Antoine Vermette (wing version, slower.) that is a good passer, but not much of anything else.
Downie was scoring 2 points per game in the OHL. In 2006-07 he had 59 points in 28 games. Smith in the same league barely scores 0.5 points per game.
I think you guys are jumping all over Dalton Smith, Straka, and Lynch too soon. Lynch wasn't a point producer, and never has been, and never will be. He could be our home grown Sammy Pahlsson. I think we'll see him on our 3rd line in 3-4 years if he's still in the organization.
Smith is a smaller power forward, but he still gets the job done. His numbers aren't great, but think of him as a Steve Downie.
Straka is still TBD, I think he has 2nd line upside, but he can easily be a guy like Antoine Vermette (wing version, slower.) that is a good passer, but not much of anything else.
When / if Nash and Carter get traded, somebody remind me to stay off the mains. It's Idiot Season out there.
Unless Nash is traded for the impossible--a tried-and-true top defender, a sure-thing #1 goalie, a sure-thing prospect (if such a thing is possible), and a first-round pick--what are you expecting to be different around these parts?
When / if Nash and Carter get traded, somebody remind me to stay off the mains. It's Idiot Season out there.
Allow me to interpret the average main board/trade board poster.
(last six months)
Obviously this isn't working. Columbus needs a complete rebuild. They need to figure out who's not living up to their contract and move them for assets, even draft picks, if it means a brighter future. They can't live in the past and be stuck with players who used to perform and aren't doing it any more, they need to go with the current and build for the future.
(Antoine Vermette is traded)
What is wrong with them? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a bunch of morons.
Allow me to interpret the average main board/trade board poster.
(last six months)
Obviously this isn't working. Columbus needs a complete rebuild. They need to figure out who's not living up to their contract and move them for assets, even draft picks, if it means a brighter future. They can't live in the past and be stuck with players who used to perform and aren't doing it any more, they need to go with the current and build for the future.
(Antoine Vermette is traded)
What is wrong with them? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a bunch of morons.
(last six months)
Vermette is bad this season, just as he was last season.
(Antoine Vermette is traded)
How the **** did Howson not get a first-rounder+ for Vermette?
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I wanted to get Vermette for a while. We did, and I was happy, but I've felt pretty "meh" on what he brought the past two seasons. Looks like he's been mired in something--possibly marriage Hope he gets back in the swing of things--no innuendo intended--in Phoenix.
the point is that, even though we typically aren't coming away with solid players in the second round, a lot of teams are.
Yep. Exactly. And thats a clear indicator that one of our many glaring weakness is the inability to draft and develop players. Our whole cultural needs changed.
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In essence, our second round pick could very well turn into a gem, just like any first round pick we've had over the years. With proper scouting and prospect management, there's no reason we couldn't do great things with added assets like this.
Just like any first round pick we've had . . . Im curious to who all these gems are. In order, Rusty Klesa, Pascal Leclaire, Rick Nash, Nikolai Zherdev, Alexandre Picard, Gilbert Brule, Derick Brassard, Jake Voracek, Nikita Filatov, John Moore, and Ryan Johansen.
Out of that bunch, I would only call Nash a gem. And it looks like he will be traded soon. Moore and Ry-Jo certainly have potential but arent there yet. Other than that, the rest have been huge busts and/or are not even with the Jackets anymore.
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Originally Posted by Sore Loser
In my opinion, our lack of draft/development competency is our biggest glaring problem over all of the years in the league. Imagine how much different things would be, for example, if we drafted guys like Duncan Keith or Shea Weber in the second round of the draft.
Yes, imagine how nice that would be. Thats why I keep saying we need a culture change, and an overhaul in the front office. Get experience, proven NHL leadership from the President, GM, Director of Player Development, scouting, etc etc
I said this on the mains, and I'll say it here - IMO this move is about culture change. If you can't even muster up the energy to make it look like you're trying to give a ****, then out the door with you. Let someone else overpay him.
I do wish people would remember that almost all CBJ veterans have under-performed on their contracts since mid season last year. It reduces the effectiveness of stats as a measure of value. I would say value to us should be measured by does he fit with the team going forward? Can we expect him to improve or return to form? What is his cap hit and contract length? Now, if only I had comfort in the concept of the CBJ having a consistent vision for the future...
Vermette has 8 goals this year ... how much are we really going to miss him?
Actually I would only credit him with 6. I can remember at least 2 occasions in which Vermette blindly passed the puck right in front of the goalie this season and both ended up in the back of the net. He has been on a severe downslope since signing his extension 2 years ago. Personally I'm not going to miss him or his lazy play this year.
191 posts over a Vermette trade, a marginal NHL player.... oh my, thank goodness we don't have Gretzky on our roster, there isn't enough bandwidth.
You don't like him or he's having a bad season or you don't cre he was traded or all three. But Vermette is not a "marginal NHL player" and that is an ignorant position.
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You don't like him or he's having a bad season or you don't cre he was traded or all three. But Vermette is not a "marginal NHL player" and that is an ignorant position.
Hey DSL, you have been tracking me for a month now, pick on someone else for a change... kay!
I actually thought this was a pretty good return. For a guy who has really underperformed his contract this year, we got decent value. Not to mention we free up some cap space. Look at it this way, the cap space Vermette took up is roughly the same that the first overall will take.
I think you guys are jumping all over Dalton Smith, Straka, and Lynch too soon. Lynch wasn't a point producer, and never has been, and never will be. He could be our home grown Sammy Pahlsson. I think we'll see him on our 3rd line in 3-4 years if he's still in the organization.
Smith is a smaller power forward, but he still gets the job done. His numbers aren't great, but think of him as a Steve Downie.
Straka is still TBD, I think he has 2nd line upside, but he can easily be a guy like Antoine Vermette (wing version, slower.) that is a good passer, but not much of anything else.
If you want to throw out 2nd round picks to hope for the future I think you want to look at Goulobef, Weber and Jenner before Straka, Smith and Lynch. I highly doubt Lynch is offered a contract and Straka looks like a complete wasted pick at the moment. Smith is signed and could offer somethign down the road but none will match what Steve Downie or even Antoine Vermette offered - in my opinion.
Actually I would only credit him with 6. I can remember at least 2 occasions in which Vermette blindly passed the puck right in front of the goalie this season and both ended up in the back of the net. He has been on a severe downslope since signing his extension 2 years ago. Personally I'm not going to miss him or his lazy play this year.
This is my last post in this thread but I thought it was worth noting that when dealing with culture, my biggest gripe was the fact that veterans like Antoine were never "benched" for such aggregious plays yet other players (younger) are put in the press box for much less. That really bothered me this year. Vermette should have sat in the press box (RJ, Tyutin and others) to get them to understand play like that is unacceptable. This never happened and I think it's part of the culture.
It's plays like that, unfortunately, that started to become all too common with AV.
Hope he gets back in the swing of things--no innuendo intended--in Phoenix.
