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02-22-2012, 01:58 PM
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I've seen a lot of that, as well as "I'll worry about 2014 in 2014" I hope to god people don't run their personal finances that way.
The US government does and has been doing so for decades (along with most of the Western World btw) - so why not}}}

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If Bobby Ryan becomes available, I take him over Nash any day, if that's what you mean.
Absolutely. 3 more years at a 5.1M cap hit per. Give me that deal for a 30 goal scorer over Nash's 7.8M deal any day.

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The math is that this is the first year Dubinsky has regressed rather than improved. 24-30-54 last year.

If we are adding him just as a salary dump in this deal... I mean.

Players have down years. Friggin Tony Amonte had one down year productionwise, we dealt him and he was a 30-40 goal scorer for the next 6 years.
Dubinsky is nothing more than a 3rd line grinder on a good offensive team. I remember a couple of years ago he started off well and this guy at work that used to play hockey and knows far more hockey than me called him nothing more than a grinder. I thought, what the hell does he know? And he was right. Where's the guarantee that he'll ever revert even to his 50 point form? Prucha had a 30 goal year, then a 22 goal year (or so) and then disappeared off the face of the earth. Ovechkin has gone from perhaps the best player in the world to 2 above average seasons at best.

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Wolski is easily the worst Ranger in terms of cap hit. $3.8 million for a healthy scratch.
Right, forgot about him. Worst Ranger in terms of cap hit that is actually playing.

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02-22-2012, 02:01 PM
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The US government does and has been doing so for decades (along with most of the Western World btw) - so why not}}}
Maybe the US Congress should run the Rangers

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If Bobby Ryan becomes available, I take him over Nash any day, if that's what you mean.
Yeah, if all this trade talk was about Ryan instead of Nash I'd be onboard 100%. I'd be sad Dubi was gone but at least he'd be with a respectable franchise in freakin' southern California and we'd have a great player with a good cap hit.

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Yeah, if all this trade talk was about Ryan instead of Nash I'd be onboard 100%. I'd be sad Dubi was gone but at least he'd be with a respectable franchise in freakin' southern California.
So you're partially against this trade because you don't want a multi-millionaire going to a bad team in the midwest? Are you serious?

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02-22-2012, 02:03 PM
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Brandon Dubinsky
JT Miller
Christian Thomas
1st round pick(12)

for

Rick Nash
2nd round pick(12)

Columbus gets a NHL roster player whom they have reportedly coveted for a while
Two good prospects in Miller(1st round pick)and Thomas(2nd round pick)
1st round pick in June,they essentially move up from their 2nd round pick. It costs a 2nd to move up.

Rangers get Nash and a 2nd.

Sather got FLA to give him their 2nd in 2002 when he traded the #1 to FLA for Pavel Bure.

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If it were the Rangers, the return would be something along the lines of top prospects Chris Kreider, J.T. Miller and Brandon Dubinsky. The Canucks would have to start with Cory Schneider and probably include the blossoming Cody Hodgson. The Bruins would likely have to part with at least Tuukka Rask and top defense prospect Dougie Hamilton. The Sharks are looking at losing the likes of Joe Pavelski and Jamie McGinn, along with defense prospect Justin Braun and other prospects. The Maple Leafs would almost certainly have to part with young defenseman Jake Gardiner and Nazem Kadri.
http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...ar-return.html

Take out Kreider and put in Thomas(40th pick overall in 2010) and #1 Pick

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My buddy and I have been going back and forth about this since the rumors started. He's pro-Nash in a big way and I'm anti-Nash. It's not only the assets it costs to obtain him, but the assets you potentially can not afford in a salary cap world by adding a 7.8M cap charge. That's basically all I have to say about it.

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Brandon Dubinsky
JT Miller
Christian Thomas
1st round pick(12)

for

Rick Nash
2nd round pick(12)

Columbus gets a NHL roster player whom they have reportedly coveted for a while
Two good prospects in Miller(1st round pick)and Thomas(2nd round pick)
1st round pick in June,they essentially move up from their 2nd round pick. It costs a 2nd to move up.

Rangers get Nash and a 2nd.

Sather got FLA to give him their 2nd in 2002 when he traded the #1 to FLA for Pavel Bure.



http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...ar-return.html

Take out Kreider and put in Thomas(40th pick overall in 2010) and #1 Pick
lol for a second there, I thought the trade went down haha.

I make that trade. Only piece that stinks giving up is Miller, but I could swallow it.

EDIT: If Gaustad doesn't re-sign with Buffalo and he is made available, trade for him and have a lineup of:

Ansimov/Hagelin - Stepan - Gaborik
Nash - Richards - Callahan
Hagelin/Anisimov - Gaustad - Feds
Rupp - Boyle - Prust
Mitchell

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Brandon Dubinsky
JT Miller
Christian Thomas
1st round pick(12)

for

Rick Nash
2nd round pick(12)

Columbus gets a NHL roster player whom they have reportedly coveted for a while
Two good prospects in Miller(1st round pick)and Thomas(2nd round pick)
1st round pick in June,they essentially move up from their 2nd round pick. It costs a 2nd to move up.

Rangers get Nash and a 2nd.

Sather got FLA to give him their 2nd in 2002 when he traded the #1 to FLA for Pavel Bure.



http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...ar-return.html

Take out Kreider and put in Thomas(40th pick overall in 2010) and #1 Pick
I think Columbus covets Stepan/MCD/MDZ. Dubi is involved because he has to be for salary reasons - not saying he's a dump, but it's not really him that makes Columbus salivate.

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Brandon Dubinsky
JT Miller
Christian Thomas
1st round pick(12)

for

Rick Nash
2nd round pick(12)

Columbus gets a NHL roster player whom they have reportedly coveted for a while
Two good prospects in Miller(1st round pick)and Thomas(2nd round pick)
1st round pick in June,they essentially move up from their 2nd round pick. It costs a 2nd to move up.

Rangers get Nash and a 2nd.

Sather got FLA to give him their 2nd in 2002 when he traded the #1 to FLA for Pavel Bure.



http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...ar-return.html

Take out Kreider and put in Thomas(40th pick overall in 2010) and #1 Pick
Completely agree

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I think Columbus covets Stepan/MCD/MDZ. Dubi is involved because he has to be for salary reasons - not saying he's a dump, but it's not really him that makes Columbus salivate.
Too bad for cbj. They arent getting that quality from anywhere else. If LAK was really offering JJ i think they wouldve taken the deal already

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RangerBoy, your proposal makes perfect sense, except if I'm Columbus, I flip Erixon for Thomas.

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Brandon Dubinsky
JT Miller
Christian Thomas
1st round pick(12)

for

Rick Nash
2nd round pick(12)

Columbus gets a NHL roster player whom they have reportedly coveted for a while
Two good prospects in Miller(1st round pick)and Thomas(2nd round pick)
1st round pick in June,they essentially move up from their 2nd round pick. It costs a 2nd to move up.

Rangers get Nash and a 2nd.

Sather got FLA to give him their 2nd in 2002 when he traded the #1 to FLA for Pavel Bure.



http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...ar-return.html

Take out Kreider and put in Thomas(40th pick overall in 2010) and #1 Pick
I'd do that even without the 2nd. Excellent deal for us. I don't know if Columbus would want it though. But the hockeynews's trade scenario is one I wouldn't be too upset with either.

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02-22-2012, 02:12 PM
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Dubinsky is nothing more than a 3rd line grinder on a good offensive team. I remember a couple of years ago he started off well and this guy at work that used to play hockey and knows far more hockey than me called him nothing more than a grinder. I thought, what the hell does he know? And he was right. Where's the guarantee that he'll ever revert even to his 50 point form? Prucha had a 30 goal year, then a 22 goal year (or so) and then disappeared off the face of the earth. Ovechkin has gone from perhaps the best player in the world to 2 above average seasons at best.
Okay, Prucha had his big year the same year Jonathan Cheechoo, an AHL level player, scored 56 goals. It was a bad year for the NHL because the sheer mass of penalties called contributed to massive scorelines and PP specialists getting mass goal totals.

Not the same thing at all.

In addition, Dubi has never scored less than 40 points in a season in his career. He will get 40 again this season. That is second line production in this league. He has spent most of the season playing with Boyle and Prust.

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In addition, there is a slight problem with RB's deal. That is the fact that NYR's first round pick is going to be like 5 spots higher than the Jacket's second round pick.

Not sure that is exactly going to be a huge sweetener.

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In addition, there is a slight problem with RB's deal. That is the fact that NYR's first round pick is going to be like 5 spots higher than the Jacket's second round pick.

Not sure that is exactly going to be a huge sweetener.
Nope. It's going to be one spot higher.

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RangerBoy, your proposal makes perfect sense, except if I'm Columbus, I flip Erixon for Thomas.
And then you tell them no, and be done with it lol. If the other teams think the price is too steep, they have to take what they can. That trade would still leave the Rangers with:

Kreider
Erixon
McI
Hagelin
McD
MDZ
Stepan

To a lesser extent:

Anisimov
Sauer
Fasth
MSC

To go a long with Lundqvist, Nash, Gaborik, Callahan, and Richards. That is still a lot of organizational depth that is very young as the core complimented by Star players in their prime years. Team would be set for years to come, with the only uncertainty is the cap situation come summer 2013. Sather must have some general idea how things might go if he makes a Nash trade.

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I think Columbus covets Stepan/MCD/MDZ. Dubi is involved because he has to be for salary reasons - not saying he's a dump, but it's not really him that makes Columbus salivate.
Wrong. Portzline, CBJ beat writer stated multiple times that they have coveted Dubi for a long time now. Still do.

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Great article, and this is my favorite paragraph in it:

The most vexing quandary about all of this is the Blue Jackets have a very good player, but they are demanding superstar-type return in a trade. In many instances, teams might be satisfied to simply free themselves of the $46.8 million remaining on the final six years of his contract and use that cap space as an asset. But the Blue Jackets know that if they trade Nash, they have to hit one out of the park.

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Can this end please. Anybody notice a bit of a Dubi sell to stay in NY last night during pre-game? Gushed to the media about how close the team is and credited it to the success.

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In addition, there is a slight problem with RB's deal. That is the fact that NYR's first round pick is going to be like 5 spots higher than the Jacket's second round pick.

Not sure that is exactly going to be a huge sweetener.
Well they could always flip the NYR's 1st and the 2nd they got from the 'Yotes (From Ottawa) and move up to get another mid-round 1st rounder. I understand what your saying though. The Jackets second rounder could be like a late first (Especially if the Rangers win the cup and the Jackets win the lotto, they would only be one pick apart lol).

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Wrong. Portzline, CBJ beat writer stated multiple times that they have coveted Dubi for a long time now. Still do.
I stand corrected.

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I've seen a lot of that, as well as "I'll worry about 2014 in 2014" I hope to god people don't run their personal finances that way.
Sorry, but in the sports world, this is done ALL THE TIME.

When you are weighing the opportunity of winning today and tomorrow against a cap problem that may or may not exist in 2-3 years, more often than not, the larger market teams WILL err on the side of trying to win today and tomorrow.

To think that this is new to some of you is shocking.

Cap-ologists manage the cap this year with an eye towards next. They have their hands full doing that. Asking themt o predict what our cap situation would look like 3 seasons out is not realistic.

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