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Mikko Kalteva - "Allsvenskan (SEL-2) is better then SM-Liiga"

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03-02-2012, 10:10 AM
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Now all we need to arrive at the final conclusion is for somebody to determine which league has the best beverages and hot dogs.

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03-07-2012, 09:25 PM
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Mika Hannula stated that Elitserien is slightly better league than SM-Liiga but game is more physical and has much higher tempo in FEL.
Sounds about right. Those Swedes who think SM-liiga is better might just prefer the style of play.

SM-liiga is also heavily systems oriented, and as a result Swedish teams sometimes pay big for the wrong players when they come to poach Finns for Elitserien. There have been quite a few 40-50-point players in SM-liiga who can drop very quickly from 40-50 points to 15-20 points when playing for an SM-liiga team with dysfunctional systems because those players just don't have the individual skill set to stand out without the right support system.

As far as the game goes, Allsvenskan is certainly not a better league than SM-liiga, but I can easily imagine some organizations there are run more professionally than some SM-liiga teams.

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03-08-2012, 03:52 PM
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Let's ask Josef Boumedienne: http://www.jatkoaika.com/smliiga.php...umnit&id=13630 (in Finnish) and Google translated to English (if you can make anything out of it).

So basically he agrees with Hannula in that SM-liiga is faster and more physical than Elitserien, but according to Boumedienne "none of the Elitserien teams would fare well against a top-7 team from SM-liiga".


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03-08-2012, 04:43 PM
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Allsvenskan > SM-liiga > Elitserien > SM-liiga

Sense this makes none!

On a more serious note it probably depends so much on the player, wether they think one is better than the other. Boumedienne, who is not the fastest player around, probably has an easier time playing in a slow tempo league like the SEL, and once he transitions to a faster paced league, SM-liiga, he has a harder time.

Mika Hannula on the other hand is probably more comfortable with the more aggressive game since he himself bases his game a lot around aggression and strong skating, thus, to him, SM-liiga is the easier league. Same thing with Pihlström who really struggled in SEL but always did very well in SM-liiga.

Kalteva on the other hand is just trying to make himself look better.

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03-09-2012, 04:02 PM
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Allsvenskan > SM-liiga > Elitserien > SM-liiga

Sense this makes none!

On a more serious note it probably depends so much on the player, wether they think one is better than the other. Boumedienne, who is not the fastest player around, probably has an easier time playing in a slow tempo league like the SEL, and once he transitions to a faster paced league, SM-liiga, he has a harder time.

Mika Hannula on the other hand is probably more comfortable with the more aggressive game since he himself bases his game a lot around aggression and strong skating, thus, to him, SM-liiga is the easier league. Same thing with Pihlström who really struggled in SEL but always did very well in SM-liiga.

Kalteva on the other hand is just trying to make himself look better.
SM-liiga > KHL. Source: Jan Snopek.

So now it's Allsvenskan > SM-liiga > Elitserien > SM-liiga > KHL?

Well I guess it's safe to say that Allsvenskan is the league to go to if you want to experience the best European hockey.

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03-09-2012, 04:49 PM
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Seriously Sm-liiga teams should scout and pick up talented players from Allsvenskan. Theres plenty of decent players that would be rather cheap I reckon. Nichas Hardt scored 29 points in 38 games last season in Malmö this season 35p in 50g for Jokerit. Another Malmö player Carl Söderberg went from being a impact player in Allsvenskan to a impact player in Elitserien in one season. Theres some strong point producers in Allsvenskan that have poor skating that would never cut it in SM-liiga I reckon but theres plenty of good options. Allsvenskan is clearly not on the same level as SM-liiga but they could use it as a great farm league. Looking at the swedish topscorers in this years Elitserie almost all of them have played one or a few seasons in Allsvenskan.

The level of Allsvenskan is rising since Elitserie-clubs don't pick up all the Elitserie-quality players that plays there, theres some to be have for cheap I think for SM-liiga clubs (especially some good canadians that had great success this season).

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03-09-2012, 05:23 PM
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Seriously Sm-liiga teams should scout and pick up talented players from Allsvenskan. Theres plenty of decent players that would be rather cheap I reckon. Nichas Hardt scored 29 points in 38 games last season in Malmö this season 35p in 50g for Jokerit. Another Malmö player Carl Söderberg went from being a impact player in Allsvenskan to a impact player in Elitserien in one season. Theres some strong point producers in Allsvenskan that have poor skating that would never cut it in SM-liiga I reckon but theres plenty of good options. Allsvenskan is clearly not on the same level as SM-liiga but they could use it as a great farm league. Looking at the swedish topscorers in this years Elitserie almost all of them have played one or a few seasons in Allsvenskan.

The level of Allsvenskan is rising since Elitserie-clubs don't pick up all the Elitserie-quality players that plays there, theres some to be have for cheap I think for SM-liiga clubs (especially some good canadians that had great success this season).
Well, to be fair Hardt has been playing almost exclusively with some of the most talented guys in the whole league. That kind of production is expected. Love the Guy though, so not trying to take anything away from him. Seems like ā really nice person.

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03-09-2012, 06:30 PM
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Well, to be fair Hardt has been playing almost exclusively with some of the most talented guys in the whole league. That kind of production is expected. Love the Guy though, so not trying to take anything away from him. Seems like ā really nice person.
Regardless of where his points are coming from he's proved that he's a very solid player at this level. Love the guy as well, a lot of heart and drive.

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Seriously Sm-liiga teams should scout and pick up talented players from Allsvenskan. Theres plenty of decent players that would be rather cheap I reckon. Nichas Hardt scored 29 points in 38 games last season in Malmö this season 35p in 50g for Jokerit. Another Malmö player Carl Söderberg went from being a impact player in Allsvenskan to a impact player in Elitserien in one season. Theres some strong point producers in Allsvenskan that have poor skating that would never cut it in SM-liiga I reckon but theres plenty of good options. Allsvenskan is clearly not on the same level as SM-liiga but they could use it as a great farm league. Looking at the swedish topscorers in this years Elitserie almost all of them have played one or a few seasons in Allsvenskan.

The level of Allsvenskan is rising since Elitserie-clubs don't pick up all the Elitserie-quality players that plays there, theres some to be have for cheap I think for SM-liiga clubs (especially some good canadians that had great success this season).
I agree, seems to be that every year there's players that really break out in Elitserien coming straight from Allsvenskan. Sm-liiga teams should be able to pick up young, cheap guys who's careers are on the rise, and who could have a breakout season.

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03-10-2012, 04:21 AM
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I guess this valuating different leagues is quite useless (so different style) unless we are getting some "Nordic Cup" in the Spring time where the champs face each other in home and away games. Pre-season games are quite useless.

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He was right. Djurgården (a team from Allsvenskan/SEL2) won over Tappara 3-2 couple days ago.

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08-15-2013, 09:18 AM
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He was right. Djurgården (a team from Allsvenskan/SEL2) won over Tappara 3-2 couple days ago.
Yes, one pre-season game decides it...

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So, does this mean now that Djurgården will join the Lüga when Jokerit bolts for the KHL?

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He was right.

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And today Djurgården won over TPS. Funny.

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And today Djurgården won over TPS. Funny.
I think that you are kind of right.. Four best allsvenskan team can be better than four worst teams form Sm-Liiga. But im sure if they took like four best teams from Liiga and put them against four best from Allsvenskan and played playoff series, Sm-Liiga teams would wipe out their opponents.

But still im saying that your SEL-2 is surprisingly high-quality. Big arenas and lot of money and fans.

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08-17-2013, 04:31 AM
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Says player who has no room in SM-Liiga.. It's sad how physical and straight forward sm-liiga is these days

If we look some game results Sell 2 must be best league in northen countries, because SM-Liiga teams many teams beat elitserien so SM-Liiga is easily better than Elitserien, and some sel2 team beat SM-Liiga team = SEL2 is the highest league, higher than SEL or FEL.


To be seriouse, SEL2 top must actually be pretty close or even to SEL and FEL bottom if not more at least.


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And today Djurgården won over TPS. Funny.
At the same time JYP have won both their ET games against Swedish opponents. Obviously it means SM-liiga is better than SHL. Funny.

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08-19-2013, 05:46 AM
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Kärpät just won Hamburg Freezers so SEL2 would be better than DEL. Tappara won NHL team too last year so SEL2 is better than NHL too.

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And KalPa won HV71 in Sweden with team stacked with junior players. Obviously Finnish U20 teams are better than SHL teams.

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And KalPa won HV71 in Sweden with team stacked with junior players. Obviously Finnish U20 teams are better than SHL teams.

hv71 was also stacked with junior players. but nice try.

btw, more wins for swedish teams in european trophy so far.

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Is dis the ET topic?

Blues won over Vaxjö 3-0. Funny.


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