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02-22-2012, 06:18 PM
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Chicago Pursuing Lydman

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My whispers are saying Hawks are pursuing Ana. defenseman Toni Lydman. He can play the right side.
https://twitter.com/AlCimaglia

If he's available, I'm sure quite a few teams are lining up.

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02-22-2012, 06:24 PM
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Chris Campoli can play the right side. Take him.

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02-22-2012, 06:24 PM
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He could be available at the right price. Would Chicago trade their 1st round pick or a good prospect (i.e. Mark McNeil)?

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02-22-2012, 06:29 PM
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Considering Quincey got a 1st rounder, if I was Murray I would be demanding at least a 1st for Lydman.

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02-22-2012, 06:35 PM
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Quincey is a young RFA with a completely different skill set. Not comparable value.

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Quincey is a young RFA with a completely different skill set. Not comparable value.
I tend to agree. I think Hal Gill makes more sense as a comparision. (Although I'm not sure how big one would consider the difference in value between DET's 1st and NSH's 2nd plus Geoffrion...) However, the Ducks most likely have a different preference on the form of the value going their way. Picks apparently are not a primary target for Murray. He's stated he would be looking for "young pros", as in young NHLers and close-to-NHL-ready prospects in the AHL were he to trade someone. Not saying that's necessarily going to be the case, maybe he makes seperate deals, but that would apparently be his preference.

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Lydman isn't a UFA and if Anaheim just extended Beauchemin, it's as if they're not trying to sell their capable veteran defensemen at this point.

Why not go after Visnovsky instead? He can also play the right side. Same situation as Lydman, but will cost a bit more, as he's a bit better offensively.


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You have to remember, though, that the Detroit 1st is going to be nearly equivalent to an early 2nd. I'd do Pirri and a 2nd for Lydman.

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Lydman isn't a UFA and if Anaheim just extended Beauchemin, it's as if they're not trying to sell their capable veteran defensemen at this point.

Why not go after Visnovsky instead? He can also play the right side. Same situation as Lydman, but will cost a bit more, as he's a bit better offensively.


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I doubt Vis is available. If he is...I think Gillis would be all over it.

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We're probably talking about guys like Paradis, Lalonde, DiDomenico, etc... if they don't want picks. Not substantial prospects, but good ones non the less.

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Why not go after Visnovsky instead? He can also play the right side. Same situation as Lydman, but will cost a bit more, as he's a bit better offensively.
He's not a bit better offensively, he's a lot better, and he's not going to cost a bit more, he'd cost a hell of a lot more.

He's on a bargain contract for the Ducks next year at a salary of $3M, which makes him very valuable to a non-cap team like Anaheim. It's not impossible though.

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He could be available at the right price. Would Chicago trade their 1st round pick or a good prospect (i.e. Mark McNeil)?
A first maybe not real sure. McNeil I would not do, as I would not trade McNeil for the 18 pick in this years draft. I feel the Hawks got a little lucky to get McNeil were they did and this years draft is not great in the bottom of the first. Also McNeil holds more value to the Hawks as he is a big center and a year farther along in his development and the Hawks are a try to win every year team in the next 5+ years team with their core locked up.

More likely a package of a decent prospect and a 2nd would do it.

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Lydman isn't a UFA and if Anaheim just extended Beauchemin, it's as if they're not trying to sell their capable veteran defensemen at this point.

Why not go after Visnovsky instead? He can also play the right side. Same situation as Lydman, but will cost a bit more, as he's a bit better offensively.


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Vis is on a whole different level offensively then Lydman. But he fills a different role.

He also is not available so it is a mute point. Lydman on the other hand is. With the amount that rentals have been getting, and the quality of the rentals taken into account, I expect him to atleast get a 1st.

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He could be available at the right price. Would Chicago trade their 1st round pick or a good prospect (i.e. Mark McNeil)?
Absolutely not.

I'd give up a 1st round pick, or a 2nd and Rensfeldt or Holl.

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I think it'll be a bit more than Quincey, considering what Lydman did most recently, but not significantly more.

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I wonder if CHI made offers for Quincy or Grossman.

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Would be a fantastic pickup for Chicago. Lydman is a great defensive defenseman and would fit in well on their 2nd or 3rd pairing.

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I wonder if CHI made offers for Quincy or Grossman.
We went after Grossman but the Stars wanted Saad.

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He could be available at the right price. Would Chicago trade their 1st round pick or a good prospect (i.e. Mark McNeil)?
no

2nd + prospect, not a prospect like Saad, McNeill or Morin

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We're probably talking about guys like Paradis, Lalonde, DiDomenico, etc... if they don't want picks. Not substantial prospects, but good ones non the less.
those are the guy that would be added to the 2nd

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Those are rental prices. You guys are dreaming if you're expecting Lydman to cost less than or equal to Hall Gill.

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Absolutely not.

I'd give up a 1st round pick, or a 2nd and Rensfeldt or Holl.
Why would you say absolutely not and right after be willing to trade your 1st?

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Lydman to Chicago

The rumour is that Balckhawks scouts are watching Ducks games right now and they are interesting in Lydman...What Chicago can offer for him? Picks? Frolik? I have no idea...

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If all we can get for Lydman is a 2nd we're better off holding on to him IMO, specially as he isn't a UFA and has shown what he can do last season and he's been better lately. But I think we could get a decent price for him that is better then a 2nd at the deadline given how thin the pool of available players are.

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Atleast worth what Gill was.

2nd and a good prospect capable of jumping into the NHL.

He's been playing better, but Anaheim can't have him on the 3rd pair making 3 mil per year, emergence of Sbisa is going to prevent Lydman from moving back up

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Atleast worth what Gill was.

2nd and a good prospect capable of jumping into the NHL.

He's been playing better, but Anaheim can't have him on the 3rd pair making 3 mil per year, emergence of Sbisa is going to prevent Lydman from moving back up
That's what I'm thinking as well. With our top-4 solidified, I see Murray looking for a cheaper solution on the bottom pairing in free agency. I'm having some trouble finding the perfect (realistic) pieces on the Hawks to make a deal happen, to be honest.

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