I said a long time ago, that is one player I find a way to get off the books. Arniel's obsession with trying to tell us he was more than what he was has left a really bad taste in my mouth. Seeing him at 3 million makes it even worse.
To tell you now bad I want him gone, I'd take Hainsey and that contract back for him in a heartbeat, even if it had a couple more years on it.
I said a long time ago, that is one player I find a way to get off the books. Arniel's obsession with trying to tell us he was more than what he was has left a really bad taste in my mouth. Seeing him at 3 million makes it even worse.
To tell you now bad I want him gone, I'd take Hainsey and that contract back for him in a heartbeat, even if it had a couple more years on it.
I am sort of on the fence on Methot.
Like every other D-man on this team he is being asked to play above his capabilities. If we could get better defenders and play monkey move down with him, I think it could work.
He is just not consistently good enough to play as high up as he is on this defense.
He's being asked to play a 3/4. He's being paid like a 3/4. Not sure I see what you are seeing. At 3 million per, you should be expected to play 20 minutes a night.
The question, then, is who shut it down. It wasn't the GM, and I believe that a previous statement I've made pointing the finger at Ken Hitchcock was inaccurate. The time frame would have been the 2009 offseason, when someone who I'll start referring to as "Judge Smails" decided that he was an expert in matters of hockey ops and started putting himself in the decision-making process. That's continued to this day.
It's the wrong guy, but it gives me a chance to use this pic that JFan made for me several years ago.
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Gee did I not suggest in another thread that ALL of this "rebuilding" is just an elaboartely concealed salary dump to protect MacJr.'s pocket?
I'll add my own paranoia that the league wants to move Nash to a big market like NY to help replace the loss of Crosby as the face of the league. I don't know if I'm remembering correctly but didn't Nash's trade rumors start after Bettman's visit?
For us to be a good team we need Methot to playing 3/4 on the team we play against. Methot is clearly a vestige of Arniel's over valuation of his play during the Worlds or wherever he coached him. He needs to be gone as part of the overall sanitization of the locker room.
The signing of Prospal for a fairly small amount completely supports my theory. I mean, seriously, how can you even make that comment? Have you compared the length and dollar amounts of the contracts for Nash and Carter with what Vinny is getting on a one year at a time contract. Vinny is completely consistent with the gutting of the team and inexpensive rebuild.
One of the blogs suggested that Wiz, because of his "presence in the room" would be next in line for Captain after Vinny. Then there is always RJ if he is still around.
He's being asked to play a 3/4. He's being paid like a 3/4. Not sure I see what you are seeing. At 3 million per, you should be expected to play 20 minutes a night.
OK, then he should be a 5-6 guy, where he will be over-paid.
Hey guys. I am not here to troll just have an honest question. I am not asking if you would do this deal, but if this deal were to go through would you all be extremely upset or could you deal with it?
Dubinsky, Tim Erixon, JT Miller, Mats Zuccarello, and the Rangers First Round Pick for Nash.
Just wanted to know what your opinion on this would be. Thanks.
Hey guys. I am not here to troll just have an honest question. I am not asking if you would do this deal, but if this deal were to go through would you all be extremely upset or could you deal with it?
Dubinsky, Tim Erixon, JT Miller, Mats Zuccarello, and the Rangers First Round Pick for Nash.
Just wanted to know what your opinion on this would be. Thanks.
Not close whatsoever. Quantity does not equal quality. Dubinsky is the only legitimate NHLer in this proposal and he's struggling. If I were GM, I don't have to trade Nash and I would stick to my "needs." I think the only way the Rangers are going to get Nash is if the deal is Dubinsky, McDonagh/Del Zotto, Kreider and your first round pick at a minimum. If the Rangers don't want to part with those pieces, then there will be no deal. I really think that Nash (if he's traded) is probably headed to LA.
I think the Rangers may turn their attention to Jeff Carter by Monday. They might be able to get a player that can add some offense and the price tag will probably be much cheaper. A deal like Dubinsky, Dylan McIlrath and a first/second might do the trick to get Carter.
Last edited by Kev22: 02-23-2012 at 12:17 PM.
Reason: Wrong name.
Hey guys, occasional lurker here coming to ask what you guys think of what Renaud Lavoie (#Renhockey) said about Nash this morning on his blog. For those who haven't heard or read what he said:
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Est-ce que Rick Nash sera échangé d’ici le 27 février à 15:00 ?
De plus en plus on entend un peu partout dans la LNH que la meilleure solution pour les Blue Jackets serait d’attendre au repêchage de juin.
À ce moment, les équipes seront plus disposées à répondre aux exigences de la formation de Columbus.
Je sais que les Rangers sont au cœur de la course pour l’attaquant originaire de Brampton, mais ils n’ont aucun gardien à donner aux Blue Jackets. Est-ce que le directeur général, Scott Howson acceptera une transaction et attendra le marché des joueurs autonomes le premier juillet pour obtenir un gardien ? C’est possible. Ou encore, s’il est en mesure d’obtenir Jonathan Bernier (Kings) pour Jeff Carter, Howson pourra facilement transiger avec les Rangers ou les Sharks et obtenir des joueurs importants en retour.
Mais reste-t-il assez de temps pour régler ces deux dossiers ?
Bref, les chances que Nash termine la saison avec les Blue Jackets sont maintenant plus grandes qu’il y a une semaine. Mais une chose est certaine. C’est dans un autre uniforme que celui des Blue Jackets qu’il va évoluer la saison prochaine.
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Parlant des Blue Jackets, voici les autres joueurs qui vont quitter prochainement. On parle de Samuel Pahlsson et de R.J. Umberger.
Translation:
Will Rick Nash be exchanged by February 27 at 3 PM?
We hear more and more around the NHL that the best solution for the Jackets would be to wait for the draft in June before thinking about trading him.
At that time, teams will be more willing to meet the training requirements of Columbus.
I know the Rangers are at the heart of the race for the striker from Brampton, but they have no goalie to give the Blue Jackets. Will CBJ GM Scott Howson accept a trade and wait for the free agent market on July 1 for a goalie? It's possible. Or if he is able to get Jonathan Bernier (Kings) for Jeff Carter, Howson can easily deal with the Rangers and the Sharks and get key players back.
The question is: is there enough time left to resolve these two issues before trade deadline?
In short, the chances that Nash finishes the season with the Blue Jackets are now greater than last week. There remains one certainty: it is in a different uniform that Nash will pursue his career next year.
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Speaking of the Blue Jackets, here are other players who will leave soon : Samuel Pahlsson and R.J. Umberger.
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What do you guys think about the bolded part? I found this to be pretty interesting. Him saying that RJ will be traded (the way he says it makes it seem like a certainty, especially in french, in case the translation wasn't clear) is also pretty interesting.
Not close whatsoever. Quantity does not equal quality. Dubinsky is the only legitimate NHLer in this proposal and he's struggling. If I were GM, I don't have to trade Nash and I would stick to my "needs." I think the only way the Rangers are going to get Nash is if the deal is Dubinsky, McDonagh/Del Zotto, Kreider and your first round pick at a minimum. If the Rangers don't want to part with those pieces, then there will be no deal. I really think that Nash (if he's traded) is probably headed to LA.
I think the Rangers may turn their attention to Jeff Carter by Monday. They might be able to get a player that can add some offense and the price tag will probably be much cheaper. A deal like Dubinsky, Dylan Thomas and a first/second might do the trick to get Carter.
Well if he can't play at least he could write some poetry
Nothing Lavoie says is that astounding to me. I don't see any way the bridge between Nash and this management team can be rebuilt. As someone said yesterday, I suppose if the mangemetn team were replaced Nash could stick around, but to stay with a GM who dangled you as trade bait seems preposterous even for a player as humble as Nash. I also think there will be some in Nash's camp that would now encourage him to seek a trade. From his agent's perspective, if Nash goes to New York, LA or Toronto, the sky is the limit as far as endorsements, particularly if Nash can get one of those teams over the hump.
Not close whatsoever. Quantity does not equal quality. Dubinsky is the only legitimate NHLer in this proposal and he's struggling. If I were GM, I don't have to trade Nash and I would stick to my "needs." I think the only way the Rangers are going to get Nash is if the deal is Dubinsky, McDonagh/Del Zotto, Kreider and your first round pick at a minimum. If the Rangers don't want to part with those pieces, then there will be no deal. I really think that Nash (if he's traded) is probably headed to LA.
I think the Rangers may turn their attention to Jeff Carter by Monday. They might be able to get a player that can add some offense and the price tag will probably be much cheaper. A deal like Dubinsky, Dylan Thomas and a first/second might do the trick to get Carter.
Geez that is a lot. I really hope the Rangers do not touch that if that is the asking price. I am not sure any team is going to be willing to part with that much. Plus Carter doesn't really make sense for the Rangers since they do have two top 6 centers. I feel trade talks of Nash have become to public to not trade him. Again I don't follow the Blue Jackets so I don't know the type of person Nash is, but I would assume he wants out after a month of it being well known they want to trade him.
