No, even less people will go. You'll get 3500 people in Brooklyn if you do that. The prices at the Coliseum are already asinine.
You mean to tell me the 25th ranked team selling Mike Mottau and Brian Rolston for progress wouldn't be able to double ticket prices, get people to take a train for $16 from Mineola, deal with obstructed and limited seats and make money? We could outsell Toronto. Ranger fans will convert. Oh, yes, they will.
Don't forget Wang will refuse to have 7:30 games because of the childrens! Leave work early, folks.
You are cute when you're so intensely inane. Did taxes go up? Must all citizens support the increase? Did taxes go up? Must citizens support the extra expense? Did taxes go up? Must citizens pay more? DID TAXES GO UP? MUST TAXPAYERS PAY MORE?
You're insane in this debate. Nassore sux cuzzz dey don't paizzzes $10,thousandzzzz mo for taxizz. When can a home owner say no to more spending? Are they wrong for saying no? You have no footing in this debate other than just flat out baiting.
Leave Nassau, folks. It won't ever get better......even though it's an extremely nice place to live and raise a family. Bert's wisdom is there for us all.
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Just got back from IHOP. Nice breakfast for the family. It cost 58 dollars.
Could've had a new arena but nobody in nassore cared enough to spend 58 dollars.
If nassore can't afford it and doesn't want to spend 58 dollars to keep NYI then NYI should leave where they're not wanted.
Could we have spent that better? Rick gets $4.5 to sit FWIW.
With what they spent, only the Milstein team has the excuse of not spending wisely being not the cause. They just refused to spend. Wang HAS TO spend and spends like a drunken idiot.
Run the team well and advertisers, ticket buyers, hell, even Nassau County politicians (and voters) notice.
No one wants to lose a winner. This organization? Meh.
Could we have spent that better? Rick gets $4.5 to sit FWIW.
With what they spent, only the Milstein team has the excuse of not spending wisely being not the cause. They just refused to spend. Wang HAS TO spend and spends like a drunken idiot.
Run the team well and advertisers, ticket buyers, hell, even Nassau County politicians (and voters) notice.
No one wants to lose a winner. This organization? Meh.
Rolston let us dump Hunter's contract which was same money over 2 years. Islanders only paid 4m of that 5m anyway. Staios and Pandolfo have bonuses that make them cap cushions. Whatever premium they paid on them saved them even more money in terms having to meet the cap. Mottau and Eaton were just poor signings asked to play way over their heads.
If all it takes is a winner, why was this not sorted out from 2002-2004 when they were making the playoffs but unable to continue to bring in supplemental talent. Why didn't the county cave in then when the Islanders went out and spent big money on two franchise guys and some other good d-men? Why is it dragging out until 2015 when the arena was falling apart for 20 years?
Islanders are not a priority. And when your not a priority you can operate however the hell you want because there is no accountability.
Rolston let us dump Hunter's contract which was same money over 2 years. Islanders only paid 4m of that 5m anyway. Staios and Pandolfo have bonuses that make them cap cushions. Whatever premium they paid on them saved them even more money in terms having to meet the cap. Mottau and Eaton were just poor signings asked to play way over their heads.
If all it takes is a winner, why was this not sorted out from 2002-2004 when they were making the playoffs but unable to continue to bring in supplemental talent. Why didn't the county cave in then when the Islanders went out and spent big money on two franchise guys and some other good d-men? Why is it dragging out until 2015 when the arena was falling apart for 20 years?
Islanders are not a priority. And when your not a priority you can operate however the hell you want because there is no accountability.
Wang finally got the money he could have used in 2002. He has no SMG and total arena revenue. How he uses it is what I'm talking about. He's misused money on the GM's, coaches, players, advertising, etc. and that's WITH all the revenue. Imagine if he had the money then?
But that's one aspect. Add the refusal to replace Milbury. Add the fact that he refused to negotiate with Murray when the County had his back. Add the INEPT ad campaign and overall design of the Referendum (so many questions about taxes going up amid the face of an organized resistance campaign).
If someone brighter and more likable ran the Isles these past twelve years, do you disagree the problems with the arena likely are gone years ago?
And you can look at the timeline - D'Amato was still Wang's buddy when Wang got Yash and Peca and others. There were no plans on a new arena until a few years later, correct? By then, Wang had coaching controversy, DiPietro and Snow controversy, bad trades, sideways movement leading to a VERY VOCAL angst with fans (Mike Must Go!) and bad mojo. THEN the LHP started.
*Notes to self lack of development responsible for 20 years of bad trades, signings and drafting*
Lack of development, crooked politics, and a terrible lease is responsible for the Islanders terrible ownership over the past 20 years and a large part for the condition they are in
Wang finally got the money he could have used in 2002. He has no SMG and total arena revenue. How he uses it is what I'm talking about. He's misused money on the GM's, coaches, players, advertising, etc. and that's WITH all the revenue. Imagine if he had the money then?
But that's one aspect. Add the refusal to replace Milbury. Add the fact that he refused to negotiate with Murray when the County had his back. Add the INEPT ad campaign and overall design of the Referendum (so many questions about taxes going up amid the face of an organized resistance campaign).
If someone brighter and more likable ran the Isles these past twelve years, do you disagree the problems with the arena likely are gone years ago?
And you can look at the timeline - D'Amato was still Wang's buddy when Wang got Yash and Peca and others. There were no plans on a new arena until a few years later, correct? By then, Wang had coaching controversy, DiPietro and Snow controversy, bad trades, sideways movement leading to a VERY VOCAL angst with fans (Mike Must Go!) and bad mojo. THEN the LHP started.
Just bad decisions, bad timing and bad planning.
The guy has lost 200 million plus over the last 12 years, so are you really that surprised he doesn't want to invest in the team until he has a new arena and stable financial situation. Murray didn't seem that willing to negotiate then and she seems unwilling to do so now. She has never wanted anything even half the size of the lighthouse project and that's the only way a private development at the hub makes sense.
However, I do agree that the only reason why Brooklyn is the best option is due to the fact that it is the only real option. At this point and time getting a new arena in Queens, Suffolk, and Nassau are all pipe dreams. One thing that needs to be taken in consideration with the Brooklyn option is that Wang could be able to become part of the Atlantic Yards Development around the arena and make the majority of his money from that project rather than the arena.
Last edited by Danbury Isles Fan: 03-03-2012 at 05:46 PM.
Wang finally got the money he could have used in 2002. He has no SMG and total arena revenue. How he uses it is what I'm talking about. He's misused money on the GM's, coaches, players, advertising, etc. and that's WITH all the revenue. Imagine if he had the money then?
But that's one aspect. Add the refusal to replace Milbury. Add the fact that he refused to negotiate with Murray when the County had his back. Add the INEPT ad campaign and overall design of the Referendum (so many questions about taxes going up amid the face of an organized resistance campaign).
If someone brighter and more likable ran the Isles these past twelve years, do you disagree the problems with the arena likely are gone years ago?
And you can look at the timeline - D'Amato was still Wang's buddy when Wang got Yash and Peca and others. There were no plans on a new arena until a few years later, correct? By then, Wang had coaching controversy, DiPietro and Snow controversy, bad trades, sideways movement leading to a VERY VOCAL angst with fans (Mike Must Go!) and bad mojo. THEN the LHP started.
Just bad decisions, bad timing and bad planning.
You are so out there and off the charts nuts with your Wang hatred and defending nassore it's priceless. So Wang is the reason the public and private development was killed? It had nothing to do with nassore having no vision, no growth, no money and the status quo corrupt pols wanting nothing to change?
You didn't want the LH project because OMG the traffic, the space, the schools affected, the water, the goat problems. You didn't want people to spend 58 dollars for an arena in the referendum because OMG taxes go up. 58 dollars.
You expect Wang to spend with the lowest revenue in the league with losses and think nassore isn't small market.
You think a year + of the revised lease is enough to offset 10+ years of losses and Wang should spend with no arena deal.
You think Wang should spend non NYI revenue on NYI.
You think Wang refused to negotiate with Murray when Murray refused to negotiate with private developers and refused to expand the zone.
You blame Wang for poorly advertising the referendum when it was a County vote and Mangano's show.
You think discussing a new arena started in 2003 when it started in the late 80s.
You think Wang should spend his revenue pennies better on players, coaches, GM's that know LI has sucked for hockey since 10 years before Wang and want no part of LI.
It takes two to tango, Nassau isn't bankrupt for no reason. And Wang didn't narrowly escape prosecution for fraud without being a little scummy. Its a toxic situation on both fronts.
It takes two to tango, Nassau isn't bankrupt for no reason. And Wang didn't narrowly escape prosecution for fraud without being a little scummy. Its a toxic situation on both fronts.
So the only solution is to get rid of both of them.
For any chance of success ever -
Wang has to sell to Brooklyn.
Or Queens.............baby.
Last edited by Bert Marshall days: 03-03-2012 at 07:28 PM.
You are so out there and off the charts nuts with your Wang hatred and defending nassore it's priceless. So Wang is the reason the public and private development was killed? It had nothing to do with nassore having no vision, no growth, no money and the status quo corrupt pols wanting nothing to change?
You didn't want the LH project because OMG the traffic, the space, the schools affected, the water, the goat problems. You didn't want people to spend 58 dollars for an arena in the referendum because OMG taxes go up. 58 dollars.
You expect Wang to spend with the lowest revenue in the league with losses and think nassore isn't small market.
You think a year + of the revised lease is enough to offset 10+ years of losses and Wang should spend with no arena deal.
You think Wang should spend non NYI revenue on NYI.
You think Wang refused to negotiate with Murray when Murray refused to negotiate with private developers and refused to expand the zone.
You blame Wang for poorly advertising the referendum when it was a County vote and Mangano's show.
You think discussing a new arena started in 2003 when it started in the late 80s.
You think Wang should spend his revenue pennies better on players, coaches, GM's that know LI has sucked for hockey since 10 years before Wang and want no part of LI.
So the only solution is to get rid of both of them.
For any chance of success ever -
Wang has to sell to Brooklyn.
Or Queens.............baby.
Its the ideal solution. What I hope happens is that he won't swallow his pride and play tenant and the league forces a sale to Repole or some **** who will.
Remember, the league can block sales. I'm not very concerned with Wang putting it up for sale.
Its the ideal solution. What I hope happens is that he won't swallow his pride and play tenant and the league forces a sale to Repole or some **** who will.
Remember, the league can block sales. I'm not very concerned with Wang putting it up for sale.
Yeah, correct. We can't underestimate the NHL's role in all of this. Wang can't just do whatever he wants.
Its the ideal solution. What I hope happens is that he won't swallow his pride and play tenant and the league forces a sale to Repole or some **** who will.
Remember, the league can block sales. I'm not very concerned with Wang putting it up for sale.
Wang will sell as soon as he loses control of the HUB. There is nothing that shows that Wang has any interest in the team other than using it has a card to play in his real estate aspirations.
Why wouldn't Brooklyn jump at the chance to buy a local team and double their dates?
Lack of development, crooked politics, and a terrible lease is responsible for the Islanders terrible ownership over the past 20 years and a large part for the condition they are in
Pickett signed the SMG lease like an idiot. Nassau EXTENDED the lease for far, far too long you'll recall. The clowns who bought the team? That's on them, not the County. SMG is the only party responsible for the ownership being influenced at all - they blocked a sale to a sports minded good guy (and his money backer who wanted to develop).
It takes two to tango, Nassau isn't bankrupt for no reason. And Wang didn't narrowly escape prosecution for fraud without being a little scummy. Its a toxic situation on both fronts.
This is all I've been saying.....despite Bert's rants.
