Long Island has as much corporate support as Brooklyn does. All the BIG, BIG, BIG corporate money in across the Hudson and goes to MSG. Advertising will always go were the money is. Long Island has a lot of personal income. Especially in upper income brackets. Not going to go over all the reasons why Islanders aren't seeing it. Done that.
But just close this thread. Brooklyn is a magic carpet ride, It's heaven. It's all the Islanders need. There is no talking to those who want Brooklyn. Just close the thread. Last post for me personally. Long Island just sucks. I got it.
I'm not all for Brooklyn. I think LI'ers overrate LI in many more ways than the Islanders. Certainly, don't buy into its residents are flush with disposable cash that want to spend it on hockey, certainly not in a consumer based economy.
Look, there's BIG corporate money that's gonna go to MSG. Always has, always will. But, what with the secondary "mid-market" that wants NYC exposure, but not the premium freight? That's why mid-market law firms, consulting firms, accounting firms exist, b/c not every client can or wants to pay top-tier prices when they can get similar service at reduced cost. What about advertisers that don't want to pay MSG prices, yet want to reach a similar audience in a similar demographic? And that's the attraction to NYC vs. LI.
One can argue the Isles brand is beat down and thus companies don't want to trust an erratic brand - that's legit. However, the Isles audience, at least the butts in the seats, are not attractive to advertisers that are expected to pay professional sports fare. Suburbia does not have the same draw as city.
Must have been some radical thinking by the Anaheim Angels to go through the ridicule, embarrassment, and ticking off it's 'wealthy' burbanite fanbase to change the name to Los Angeles to...guess what?..command higher advertising rates since it expanded its MARKET from Anaheim (who?) to Los Angeles. The team now advertises in Dodger country in all major areas of LA, yep on buses,billboards,benches, tv, etc. It took winning to get the courage to do it, but when you win you have more freedom and support - something Wang-o-nomics hasn't figure out yet.
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I'm not all for Brooklyn. I think LI'ers overrate LI in many more ways than the Islanders. Certainly, don't buy into its residents are flush with disposable cash that want to spend it on hockey, certainly not in a consumer based economy.
Look, there's BIG corporate money that's gonna go to MSG. Always has, always will. But, what with the secondary "mid-market" that wants NYC exposure, but not the premium freight? That's why mid-market law firms, consulting firms, accounting firms exist, b/c not every client can or wants to pay top-tier prices when they can get similar service at reduced cost. What about advertisers that don't want to pay MSG prices, yet want to reach a similar audience in a similar demographic? And that's the attraction to NYC vs. LI.
One can argue the Isles brand is beat down and thus companies don't want to trust an erratic brand - that's legit. However, the Isles audience, at least the butts in the seats, are not attractive to advertisers that are expected to pay professional sports fare. Suburbia does not have the same draw as city.
Must have been some radical thinking by the Anaheim Angels to go through the ridicule, embarrassment, and ticking off it's 'wealthy' burbanite fanbase to change the name to Los Angeles to...guess what?..command higher advertising rates since it expanded its MARKET from Anaheim (who?) to Los Angeles. The team now advertises in Dodger country in all major areas of LA, yep on buses,billboards,benches, tv, etc. It took winning to get the courage to do it, but when you win you have more freedom and support - something Wang-o-nomics hasn't figure out yet.
You also have the Anaheim folks wanting to get a share of a horrible Dodgers image now. Gangbangers, thugs and old school Dodgers fans vs. A SERIOUS TEAM in Anaheim. Anaheim is winning and the Dodgers are not. So Anaheim has OC, with its wealth and consumer minded demographics and a very similar to LI feel (I live here) looking to attract fans from LA, where the numbers are. The thing that works there is that fans go for winners.
Honestly, I see flags in the windows change with the standings. Angels to Raides to Clippers to whatever the team is. NY is far more loyal to their teams but....the same holds true. The WINNING TEAM will draw more tucchus to the seats.
Wang obviously does not get this. If only he fired Milbury on day one and the team had won 2002's Toronto series.
As said above, the Coliseum would be where the winning Islanders play, not where the Islanders can't win (because of the building). We'd have taken a foothold in Queens and Brooklyn while the Rangers were sucking badly.
Updated: Mar 07, 2012 10:24 PM
By ROBERT BRODSKY AND RANDI F. MARSHALL.
Nassau County has received two bids to build an enclosed sports and exposition center at the Mitchel Field Athletic Complex in Uniondale -- the first major development in the Hub region in more than a decade, county officials said.
Both proposals would privately finance an athletic complex that would bring in revenue for the cash-strapped county, said Brian Nevin, spokesman for County Executive Edward Mangano. Details on the cost of the projects, and the revenue they would bring in, were not made public.
County officials will make a decision between the two bids by the end of the month and construction could conclude by the end of 2012, Nevin said.
The dueling proposals each call for a year-round multipurpose athletic field but otherwise offer different visions for the 2.5-acre property.
Sounds like Nassau might be moving on from the Islanders. A 10000 seat arena would render the current and new Coliseum useless.
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Updated: Mar 07, 2012 10:24 PM
By ROBERT BRODSKY AND RANDI F. MARSHALL.
Nassau County has received two bids to build an enclosed sports and exposition center at the Mitchel Field Athletic Complex in Uniondale -- the first major development in the Hub region in more than a decade, county officials said.
Both proposals would privately finance an athletic complex that would bring in revenue for the cash-strapped county, said Brian Nevin, spokesman for County Executive Edward Mangano. Details on the cost of the projects, and the revenue they would bring in, were not made public.
County officials will make a decision between the two bids by the end of the month and construction could conclude by the end of 2012, Nevin said.
The dueling proposals each call for a year-round multipurpose athletic field but otherwise offer different visions for the 2.5-acre property.
Sounds like Nassau might be moving on from the Islanders. A 10000 seat arena would render the current and new Coliseum useless.
So all the crap you can find at a strip mall under one shiny new roof built by strip mall developers. Dave & Busters on steroids. Absolutely hilarious!
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Updated: Mar 07, 2012 10:24 PM
By ROBERT BRODSKY AND RANDI F. MARSHALL.
Nassau County has received two bids to build an enclosed sports and exposition center at the Mitchel Field Athletic Complex in Uniondale -- the first major development in the Hub region in more than a decade, county officials said.
Both proposals would privately finance an athletic complex that would bring in revenue for the cash-strapped county, said Brian Nevin, spokesman for County Executive Edward Mangano. Details on the cost of the projects, and the revenue they would bring in, were not made public.
County officials will make a decision between the two bids by the end of the month and construction could conclude by the end of 2012, Nevin said.
The dueling proposals each call for a year-round multipurpose athletic field but otherwise offer different visions for the 2.5-acre property.
Sounds like Nassau might be moving on from the Islanders. A 10000 seat arena would render the current and new Coliseum useless.
Well, it'll certainly make the robust rock climbing and fitness studio at the Coliseum obsolete. How will the Isles compete with Chicago's updated volleyball amenities? We'll never make the playoffs again.
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Nassau is killing, so the plan is to have two arenas on the same site? How about we just focus on a plan that will keep the Isles and that has one arena?
wonder how long it takes rangers to move their farm team to that 10 k seat arena .
NHL teams have to pay to get permission to move into another nhl team's area.We've read that yrs ago, the isles paid a fee to the Rangers to move onto LI.
I would hope that the Bridgeport Sound Tigers have the same rights,the ability to block another AHL team from moving so close.
If the Isles are playing in Brooklyn or Queens,I can't see the NYI owner giving the okay for an AHL team in Nassau.That would just be another team to draw away potential tix buyers.
Nassau is killing, so the plan is to have two arenas on the same site? How about we just focus on a plan that will keep the Isles and that has one arena?
The outdoor facility, Nevin said, could be used for lacrosse, football and exhibitions.
"It would be a stadium that could bring in other minor league franchises and . . . outdoor concerts," Zaratin added.
The other bid came from Nassau Sports and Events LLC, composed of a group of investors led by Garden City businessman Mickey Blum.
The group proposed a nearly 106,000-square-foot facility, including a 60,000 square feet of synthetic turf, basketball and volleyball courts, a rock-climbing wall and a fitness studio. The facility also would have an arcade, laser tag, batting cages, stores, meeting and party rooms, and a cafe, Nevin said.
"It's a tremendous opportunity," Blum said. "I think the county needs a facility like this for youth all the way through adults. It can be a family oriented place."
The facility is expected to create 50 full-time jobs and host trade shows, conventions, exhibitions and parties, Nevin said.
The Mitchel Field project is separate from any development at the Nassau Coliseum . Efforts to redevelop the 77 acres surrounding the Coliseum are ongoing, Nevin said.
If the Rangers move their minor league team there, not only do they have to pay the Isles territorial fees but also retrofit their players' skates with cleating.
If the Rangers move their minor league team there, not only do they have to pay the Isles territorial fees but also retrofit their players' skates with cleating.
If the Rangers move their minor league team there, not only do they have to pay the Isles territorial fees but also retrofit their players' skates with cleating.
Proposal 1:
One bid from the Long Island Rough Riders soccer team envisions an outdoor 3,000-seat soccer stadium. The Rough Riders, who plays home games at Saint Anthony's High School in South Huntington , would return to Mitchel Field after a six-year absence, according to the plan.
The proposal also features a 10,000-seat indoor exposition center with locker rooms, a merchandise store and a physical therapy center.
Proposal 2:
The other bid came from Nassau Sports and Events LLC, composed of a group of investors led by Garden City businessman Mickey Blum.
The group proposed a nearly 106,000-square-foot facility, including a 60,000 square feet of synthetic turf, basketball and volleyball courts, a rock-climbing wall and a fitness studio. The facility also would have an arcade, laser tag, batting cages, stores, meeting and party rooms, and a cafe, Nevin said.
"It's a tremendous opportunity," Blum said. "I think the county needs a facility like this for youth all the way through adults. It can be a family oriented place." http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo...3587382&part=0
A 10,000 seat arena sounds about the correct size for a minor league team and they won't need cleats for the indoor arena, but I doubt any minor league team would be moving there anytime soon.
Yes I know that this is separate from the Coliseum, but the county hasn't been able to get there act together to build one arena for 20 years and now they are going build 2. Plus how does having a 16,000 to 20,000 seat arena depending on the event that close to a 10,000 seat arena make any sense? Plus both venues would be competing for the same size conventions, since lager ones would most likely go to the plan convention center at Aqueduct. They are going be competing for similar concerts and shows. Plus I cannot wait to hear people complain about the idea of traffic if both venues held an event on the same night. The proposal by the rough riders doesn't make sense if the Islanders are part of the county's plan in my mind. A smaller 10,00 seat arena/convention center makes a ton of sense if the Isles leave and the Coliseum closes. Do you honestly believe having two arenas in the same hub makes sense?
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Proposal 1:
One bid from the Long Island Rough Riders soccer team envisions an outdoor 3,000-seat soccer stadium. The Rough Riders, who plays home games at Saint Anthony's High School in South Huntington , would return to Mitchel Field after a six-year absence, according to the plan.
The proposal also features a 10,000-seat indoor exposition center with locker rooms, a merchandise store and a physical therapy center.
Proposal 2:
The other bid came from Nassau Sports and Events LLC, composed of a group of investors led by Garden City businessman Mickey Blum.
The group proposed a nearly 106,000-square-foot facility, including a 60,000 square feet of synthetic turf, basketball and volleyball courts, a rock-climbing wall and a fitness studio. The facility also would have an arcade, laser tag, batting cages, stores, meeting and party rooms, and a cafe, Nevin said.
"It's a tremendous opportunity," Blum said. "I think the county needs a facility like this for youth all the way through adults. It can be a family oriented place." http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo...3587382&part=0
A 10,000 seat arena sounds about the correct size for a minor league team and they won't need cleats for the indoor arena, but I doubt any minor league team would be moving there anytime soon.
Yes I know that this is separate from the Coliseum, but the county hasn't been able to get there act together to build one arena for 20 years and now they are going build 2. Plus how does having a 16,000 to 20,000 seat arena depending on the event that close to a 10,000 seat arena make any sense? Plus both venues would be competing for the same size conventions, since lager ones would most likely go to the plan convention center at Aqueduct. They are going be competing for similar concerts and shows. Plus I cannot wait to hear people complain about the idea of traffic if both venues held an event on the same night. The proposal by the rough riders doesn't make sense if the Islanders are part of the county's plan in my mind. A smaller 10,00 seat arena/convention center makes a ton of sense if the Isles leave and the Coliseum closes. Do you honestly believe having two arenas in the same hub makes sense?
Glad to see that we agreed that this is flawed plan.
I think if they pick the plan they don't think the Isles are staying. It makes sense if they leave, but none if they stay.
Don't look at it like the Isles are going (too many arenas) as this county as will the private developers believe - there's always room for another strip mall.
It might work.....for a bit. But then again, parks are free to everyone who wants to PLAY SOCCER OR LACROSSE. Rock climbing is cool, so there's a 10,000 sq ft building for rock climbing which takes up maybe 500 sg ft?
It's not competition for NVMC. It's money invested in a loser IMHO by private parties. Nassau will make some money.
Don't look at it like the Isles are going (too many arenas) as this county as will the private developers believe - there's always room for another strip mall.
It might work.....for a bit. But then again, parks are free to everyone who wants to PLAY SOCCER OR LACROSSE. Rock climbing is cool, so there's a 10,000 sq ft building for rock climbing which takes up maybe 500 sg ft?
It's not competition for NVMC. It's money invested in a loser IMHO by private parties. Nassau will make some money.
Proposal 2 with the rock climbing and other stuff does not include the soccer arena and indoor arena/convention center. The county is going pick one or the other. Both proposals look like money losers, but the plan for the minor league soccer stadium and 10,000 seat arena could make money with the Isles out of the picture. The owner of the arena would make revenue picking up the events the coliseum would of had. Plus with the smaller venue less additional development is needed around the arena to make it an economic winner.
The other bid came from Nassau Sports and Events LLC, composed of a group of investors led by Garden City businessman Mickey Blum.
The group proposed a nearly 106,000-square-foot facility, including a 60,000 square feet of synthetic turf, basketball and volleyball courts, a rock-climbing wall and a fitness studio. The facility also would have an arcade, laser tag, batting cages, stores, meeting and party rooms, and a cafe, Nevin said.
NHL teams have to pay to get permission to move into another nhl team's area.We've read that yrs ago, the isles paid a fee to the Rangers to move onto LI.
I would hope that the Bridgeport Sound Tigers have the same rights,the ability to block another AHL team from moving so close.
If the Isles are playing in Brooklyn or Queens,I can't see the NYI owner giving the okay for an AHL team in Nassau.That would just be another team to draw away potential tix buyers.
if the isles move out of state (not likely ) I could see rangers move their farm team into a 10 k seat arena where the coliseum once stood.
if the isles move out of state (not likely ) I could see rangers move their farm team into a 10 k seat arena where the coliseum once stood.
I understood that part.
I'm saying that just like NHL teams have to get permission and pay territory fees when moving into another team's territory,I would expect the Sound Tigers would have to give consent and be paid a fee for the Wolfpack to move to LI.Bridgeport is a ferry ride away from LI.
If LI is considered by the AHL league office to be part of the Sound Tigers territory,I don't see the Wolfpack ever playing on LI.
Isles would not do Nassau County that favor. Not after the nasty Lighthouse fight.
And I doubt the Sound Tigers want to lose any LI tix buyers ,who've been taking the ferry for the occassional game.
Either I'm missing something here, or there are holes in this Newsday story big enough that even KO couldn't miss with a snapshot...
1) How does a 3,000-seat soccer stadium and 10,000-seat expo center get built on 2.5 acres?
2) Isn't there already a soccer stadium/outdoor facility at Mitchel Field? At which the Rough Riders used to play?
3) How can the Rough Riders -- who used to play at Mitchel and now play at a high school, and who I didn't even realize existed anymore -- afford a bid like this?
4) Who in their right mind believes any of this would be built and completed by the end of this year?
Reads to me like a County press release that nobody really bothered to ask questions about or investigate further (or even edit thoroughly, for that matter, given the number of copy errors).
It's so typical of LI that they're undecided about what to do with the 70+ acre site, but they'll go ahead and make a decision on the development of the adjacent 2.5 acre site with no clear idea of what's going to be next door.
They will screw around with this, the Isles will leave, and then they'll end up doing a piecemeal development of the NVMC site which will just continue the repetitive landscape of LI: office buildings, strip shopping centers, big box stores, etc., etc.. As Kate said, they don't want to disrupt the current suburban character of LI.
You make a beautiful building in that area and hope the rest of the area improves. You add nothing but office buildings and I'm sure Fortune 500 companies are gonna be saying, "WOW, Uniondale? It's the new Silicon Valley!!!"
Just make a restaurant row/entertainment venue like Angels Stadium and the Pond have right next to them - within walking distance. 5,000 people a night go to get out and enjoy. No movie theatre, no mall, just a series of nightlife hotspots of varying degree that are always occupied.
Won't happen. Too many think Uniondale can draw business there and some high rent tenants who just fawn over the local schools and nightlife (and Shoppers Village).
10K expo center or arena? Honest question, aren't exposition centers for like dog shows, boat shows, banquets, conventions, beer tasting, maybe boxing etc? Not necessarily stadium seating. Right now they have to do that in the basement of the coliseum. I thought they wanted an expo/convention center as part of the hub... admittedly I may be missing something here, this would not be a compliment to the coliseum, on a small plot of land without the concessions etc and arena bowl seating? is the intent to have this as arena style?
