Can't see anything happening between Mets and Isles at this point. The Wilpons have a huge challenge in front of them just being able to run their team without the over-inflated Madoff returns.
What the Islanders need more than anything is for Wang to lose the lease in Nassau.
No idea if it will lead to anything happening btwn the two parties, but the Wilpons had the dark clouds removed from over the organization yesterday for the most part.
No idea if it will lead to anything happening btwn the two parties, but the Wilpons had the dark clouds removed from over the organization yesterday for the most part.
I could be wrong but I think that lor is implying the only reason that the Mets had such a huge payroll is because they were making so much money off Madoff. They will not have that added income any longer thus making it more difficult to operate the team.
I could be wrong but I think that lor is implying the only reason that the Mets had such a huge payroll is because they were making so much money off Madoff. They will not have that added income any longer thus making it more difficult to operate the team.
Lorwood correct me if I'm wrong.
Mets had a huge payroll because they play in NY and the franchise is worth nearly a billion. Not saying the the Madoff money didn't contribute somewhat, but it's not like they would be anywhere near the Pittsburgh/Kansas City level without it.
Biggest thing yesterday did was bring some closure and financial certainty back to the club. That billion dollar lawsuit hanging over their heads was hamstringing the organization.
I could be wrong but I think that lor is implying the only reason that the Mets had such a huge payroll is because they were making so much money off Madoff. They will not have that added income any longer thus making it more difficult to operate the team.
Lorwood correct me if I'm wrong.
Yep thats what I meant. It is my understanding that the Wilpons were using profits realized from their Madoff accounts to run the NY Mets. In fact this morning on WFAN they were talking about this very issue. Can the Wilpons run the Mets without Madoff?
No idea if it will lead to anything happening btwn the two parties, but the Wilpons had the dark clouds removed from over the organization yesterday for the most part.
Anyone want to bring this up?
The HYPOTHETICAL is that after just getting out of one SERIOUSLY BAD INVESTMENT, Wilpon will go and buy the NEW YORK ISLANDERS.
May occur around 2030, when the Isles TV deal MSG expires IF the Isles move to Queens.
MSG already hinted they will renew the deal. The Isles make them a lot of money (News12, Long Island cable monopoly, etc.) that keeps them on LI's dominating cable presence.
Just sayin'.
Whoever buys:
1. Wang has to sell.
2. New owner has to invest.
3. New owner has to create brand
4. New owner has to hire the best
5. New owner will still and always be second fiddle unless the Isles are amazing.
So either someone outside Uniondale will invest and win or lose a ton or someone in Uniondale will get and build the NVMC lot.
I just hope it isn't Wang. Please, Tim Tebow, tell your guy up there to help us get rid of this POS.
MSG already hinted they will renew the deal. The Isles make them a lot of money (News12, Long Island cable monopoly, etc.) that keeps them on LI's dominating cable presence.
Just sayin'.
Whoever buys:
1. Wang has to sell.
2. New owner has to invest.
3. New owner has to create brand
4. New owner has to hire the best
5. New owner will still and always be second fiddle unless the Isles are amazing.
So either someone outside Uniondale will invest and win or lose a ton or someone in Uniondale will get and build the NVMC lot.
I just hope it isn't Wang. Please, Tim Tebow, tell your guy up there to help us get rid of this POS.
MOD EDIT: If we can get a link, we'll repost, but not until then.
I haven't heard that. Do you have a link? Why would they move one of their guaranteed sellouts? Does that break their lease with NVMC? If not can they play all 41 regular season games out of NVMC?
BTW the Barclays game is not part of the Isles ST package.. My rep is brand spanking new(started like a week ago) but he told me it is technically a NJ Devil home game, but that they are not publicizing it. Can someone else confirm or deny this with a reputable source? It sounded odd to me and I have not heard this anywhere else.. he said the isles two home preseason games next year will be NVMC and bridgeport. Not sure if he is just wrong. It doesnt matter in the long run as Barclays is trying to woo the isles not the devils but i am curious if devils sth's will get a shot at this game... the barclays site doesnt say who is home but they are showing only the Isle logo, so i still tend to believe it is an isles home game.
(If they played all regular season games out of NVMC the lease would need to be bought out to move.)
What about all the teams that play games overseas at the start of the season? They're not breaking their lease.
Maybe Wang and Ratner made a deal for this?
I was asking a question not making a statement as to why the islanders would move a ranger weekend game one of the few guaranteed sellouts.. the mod has since removed the comment due to lack of link and obvious questions it generated... you focused on one, yes teams play winter classics or in europe.. curious what the arrangements are as venues must have clauses in the lease arrangements about minimum revenue or guaranteed dates etc.. the comment has since been removed.. i would think a non ranger date with the spectacle of barclays would be a better option if they ever did such a thing, but just a hunch.
Last edited by 19 in a row: 03-21-2012 at 10:31 PM.
the lease bans us from playing a home game outside of NVMC for regular season games, UNLESS, the league wants us to play in an outdoor game, in which the county and nhl can make a deal and give an exception for it.. (say if you have 50,000 sets and the isles get 20,000 of them to sell, the tax money on that 20,000 goes to nassau, b/c the tickets would be purchased through the team and not the venue theyd play at... so of course the county would ok that.. its more than theyd normally get, so theyd give an exception more than likely for a special 1 time event).. however.. the county would never grant an exception for a game in brooklyn... where they would play in another hockey building with a smaller seating capacity taking and them losing all control over the ticket money from that game....
the lease bans us from playing a home game outside of NVMC for regular season games, UNLESS, the league wants us to play in an outdoor game, in which the county and nhl can make a deal and give an exception for it.. (say if you have 50,000 sets and the isles get 20,000 of them to sell, the tax money on that 20,000 goes to nassau, b/c the tickets would be purchased through the team and not the venue theyd play at... so of course the county would ok that.. its more than theyd normally get, so theyd give an exception more than likely for a special 1 time event).. however.. the county would never grant an exception for a game in brooklyn... where they would play in another hockey building with a smaller seating capacity taking and them losing all control over the ticket money from that game....
thanks that makes sense. I assumed it was something like that which is why I thought it odd the poster was suggesting they were going to move a ranger game rather than a game with a smaller expected gate, but the post may not have been valid.
Last edited by 19 in a row: 03-22-2012 at 06:12 AM.
the lease bans us from playing a home game outside of NVMC for regular season games, UNLESS, the league wants us to play in an outdoor game, in which the county and nhl can make a deal and give an exception for it.. (say if you have 50,000 sets and the isles get 20,000 of them to sell, the tax money on that 20,000 goes to nassau, b/c the tickets would be purchased through the team and not the venue theyd play at... so of course the county would ok that.. its more than theyd normally get, so theyd give an exception more than likely for a special 1 time event).. however.. the county would never grant an exception for a game in brooklyn... where they would play in another hockey building with a smaller seating capacity taking and them losing all control over the ticket money from that game....
Yes, but like the pre-season game, the county cannot stop the Islanders from playing a regular season "road" game in a neutral arena.
if we are the road team, there is no issue... and they dont care about preseason games since the team schedules those and not the league.. those are merely bonus games.. preseaso ngames can be played anywhere the isles want as a "Home Team" -- see the bridgeport games
About 15 years ago (maybe longer), the Islanders used to play 2 neutral site regular season games per season. I think it only lasted a few years, but does anyone know the arrangement that was made between the team, league and county to allow for this to happen? Just curious, as I'm not really sure I believe what the turncoat is trying to sell us here...
Yes, but like the pre-season game, the county cannot stop the Islanders from playing a regular season "road" game in a neutral arena.
This is true, but then the "home" team needs to work out an arrangement with their municipality/venue to play at a neutral site. Where does the "home team" benefit from this?
This is true, but then the "home" team needs to work out an arrangement with their municipality/venue to play at a neutral site. Where does the "home team" benefit from this?
Good question. That was the intent of my original question with the assertion by a poster that the Islanders host the rangers in barclays next year during regular season. Without a working knowledge of the actual lease agreement, it would have seemed a more plausible comment if it was with a non rival where they may be able to fill brooklyn due to the spectacle where as NVMC would only draw a small crowd that night..
About 15 years ago (maybe longer), the Islanders used to play 2 neutral site regular season games per season. I think it only lasted a few years, but does anyone know the arrangement that was made between the team, league and county to allow for this to happen? Just curious, as I'm not really sure I believe what the turncoat is trying to sell us here...
I remember those neutral site games. I think the Isles played the Rangers in Nova Scotia
that year
I remember those neutral site games. I think the Isles played the Rangers in Nova Scotia
that year
NHL had an 84 game schedule for two years where each club played two neutral site games.
In 92-93, Isles played EDM in Oklahoma City and STL in Dallas (prior to the Stars relocation). In 93-94, they played MTL in Hamilton and BUF in Minneapolis (after the Stars moved to Dallas). Never played the Rangers in a regular season neutral site game, maybe it was preseason.
