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02-26-2012, 08:20 AM
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1 year @ 3.5

2012-13; let AK and Bourque battle it out,loser goes.

Trying to replace AK will cost more than 3.5,guaranteed,better the devil you know,
and we don't need another Cole or Bourque contract. Yeesh!
Cole has been worth very penny!
Bourque has been a disappointment so far.
Kosistuyn has been a failure after years of patience


All three are vey different circumstances.

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He keeps saying he wants to stay and at a discount from his market value but never says how much. I think given the Ruutu deal anyone who thinks he'll take less than 4 million is dreaming and that might be a conservative estimate.

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He keeps saying he wants to stay and at a discount from his market value but never says how much. I think given the Ruutu deal anyone who thinks he'll take less than 4 million is dreaming and that might be a conservative estimate.
But have you ever heard any impending UFA discuss actual dollar amounts with the media? Those details would stay between the agent and the GM, and didn't AK's agent say the Habs have yet to contact him to start negotiations? Sadly that would be consistent with previous reports regarding the Habs' approach to their impending UFAs.

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02-26-2012, 08:43 AM
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But have you ever heard any impending UFA discuss actual dollar amounts with the media? Those details would stay between the agent and the GM, and didn't AK's agent say the Habs have yet to contact him to start negotiations? Sadly that would be consistent with previous reports regarding the Habs' approach to their impending UFAs.
I'm not criticizing him for not putting the dollar amount out there. I'm merely saying that I believe (based on Ruutu's deal plus UFA deals last season) that his market value is north of 4.5 million per season and anyone thinking he'd accept less than 4 million is dreaming. There's hometown discounts and then there is bargain basement prices.

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1 year @ 3.5

2012-13; let AK and Bourque battle it out,loser goes.

Trying to replace AK will cost more than 3.5,guaranteed,better the devil you know,
and we don't need another Cole or Bourque contract. Yeesh!
Cole has been a GREAT signing, if they all played with his passion we'd be having very different threads.

Bourque is what he is, the contract is way better value than Cammy was giving us.

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He keeps saying he wants to stay and at a discount from his market value but never says how much. I think given the Ruutu deal anyone who thinks he'll take less than 4 million is dreaming and that might be a conservative estimate.
Kostitsyn is not consistent scorer enough to play on top two lines. Bottom six forward he is not a good fit for either. I'd rather get the draft pick now and use the 4 million on either upgrading the defense or adding better goal scorer winger

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02-26-2012, 11:07 AM
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But, if Kostitsyn is getting traded, it's going to be after 8:00 pm today.

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02-26-2012, 12:43 PM
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AK had more chances than anyone else in this organisation.(with its overall bas assets' management)

He's a tease.

He certainly doesn't worth 4 milion $ a season.

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AK had more chances than anyone else in this organisation.(with its overall bas assets' management)

He's a tease.

He certainly doesn't worth 4 milion $ a season.
Theres alot of those in the NHL.
Thats the problem and it has ruined the game.

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Hopefully Ak gets traded within 26 Hours. I am afraid we wont be able to, as not much teams have showned interest in him. Contenders want to improve, can you improve by getting AK??? We might have to suffer his presence on the team for another 20 games... Then its Bye! Bye! to the KHL

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It'S not that I hate him, but I suppose it might be in the best interests of the team to deal him if they can get something significant out of him.

RC doesn't use him, and while RC won't be back, it might just piss AK enough so he bolts for the KHL.

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02-26-2012, 01:12 PM
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EVERY SINGLE COACH in Akosts NHL career has treated him this way. Maybe its the player for once.
Maybe, maybe not.
Let me ask you though, why did Martin take him off his usual line with Plek-Cammy to be placed with Gomez when he was playing well? I know Martin was trying to jump start Gio and Gomez with AK that was on fire, but after a period Gionta was promoted to the first line and AK was left with Gomez/grinder.
Why did RC take him off Eller's wing when he clearly had chemistry with him?

You can blame the player all you want. It doesn't mean the coach did a good job putting all the chance on his side.

Both share responsibility.

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He has 12 goals this year yet people keep calling him a 20 goal scorer. I don't get it.
99 goals in 378 career games = 21 goals per 82 games

82 games = 1 NHL season

Get it?

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Maybe, maybe not.
Let me ask you though, why did Martin take him off his usual line with Plek-Cammy to be placed with Gomez when he was playing well? I know Martin was trying to jump start Gio and Gomez with AK that was on fire, but after a period Gionta was promoted to the first line and AK was left with Gomez/grinder.
Why did RC take him off Eller's wing when he clearly had chemistry with him?

You can blame the player all you want. It doesn't mean the coach did a good job putting all the chance on his side.

Both share responsibility.
The guy did not help himself. This is no minor hockey, it's the NHL whre players are supposed to be adults, mature, and professional.

He was given all the chances to get better and succeed.

Time to move on... If it's possible.

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02-26-2012, 01:17 PM
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99 goals in 378 career games = 21 goals per 82 games

82 games = 1 NHL season

Get it?
21 goals with the tools he has (shot, size, speed) just isn't enough.

Of all the 2003 guys drafted in the 1st round, he is about the 20th in production, and lots of second and third rounders have better stats.

But stats don't tell the whole story. Look at him playing. Frustrating as hell.

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02-26-2012, 01:22 PM
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21 goals with the tools he has (shot, size, speed) just isn't enough.

Of all the 2003 guys drafted in the 1st round, he is about the 20th in production, and lots of second and third rounders have better stats.

But stats don't tell the whole story. Look at him playing. Frustrating as hell.
oh stop it with the 'he has more talent than he's showing' or 'we passed better guys at the draft' cries. who cares where he was drafted. look at him for what he is now, not what you wish he were.

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Maybe, maybe not.
Let me ask you though, why did Martin take him off his usual line with Plek-Cammy to be placed with Gomez when he was playing well? I know Martin was trying to jump start Gio and Gomez with AK that was on fire, but after a period Gionta was promoted to the first line and AK was left with Gomez/grinder.
Why did RC take him off Eller's wing when he clearly had chemistry with him?

You can blame the player all you want. It doesn't mean the coach did a good job putting all the chance on his side.

Both share responsibility.
It's always the same result with Kostitsyn: No results.

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02-26-2012, 01:31 PM
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21 goals with the tools he has (shot, size, speed) just isn't enough.

Of all the 2003 guys drafted in the 1st round, he is about the 20th in production, and lots of second and third rounders have better stats.

But stats don't tell the whole story. Look at him playing. Frustrating as hell.
Who the frig cares at this point about his draft status. I know you want Kostitsyn to be a better player than he is but he isn't and that line of thought is really irrelevant at this point.

The question is whether Kostitsyn the player that exists is useful to your team. A 20 goal man is plenty useful. There tends to be only about 120 of them in the league at a given point, or in other terms about 4 per team. Losing one of them for some magic beans return like a 2nd and a prospect isn't going to do you much good. Not if you care about winning in the near future.

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Who the frig cares at this point about his draft status. I know you want Kostitsyn to be a better player than he is but he isn't and that line of thought is really irrelevant at this point.

The question is whether Kostitsyn the player that exists is useful to your team. A 20 goal man is plenty useful. There tends to be only about 120 of them in the league at a given point, or in other terms about 4 per team. Losing one of them for some magic beans return like a 2nd and a prospect isn't going to do you much good. Not if you care about winning in the near future.
facts: the guy has 12 goals this season, and he won't score 20 barring a miracle.

fact: he is playing like crap 75 % of the games

fact: he is paid over 3,5 milion

fact: he's gonna be a UFA player next July

fact: this team is not winning anyway with him in the line up

So what do you want to do with him ?

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facts: the guy has 12 goals this season, and he won't score 20 barring a miracle.

fact: he is playing like crap 75 % of the games

fact: he is paid over 3,5 milion

fact: he's gonna be a UFA player next July

fact: this team is not winning anyway with him in the line up

So what do you want to do with him ?
exactly days of AK are near to an end with the Habs

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If we aren't going to use him on the Top 2 line (which we don't) then he need to be dealt for the highest return possible and let's move on already.

Not the kind of player that is going to win you anything when the chips are down. I'd much rather see us go after a guy who can play the third line, chip in 10-15 goals/25-30 points who is going to play hard and can kill some penalties than have AK in that role.

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Cole has been worth very penny!
Bourque has been a disappointment so far.
Kosistuyn has been a failure after years of patience


All three are vey different circumstances.
How is Bourque a dissapointment? Cammi isn't doing **** right now in Cal. Bourque saved us 3 million at least.

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He's being centered by Gomez.

His worst point of last season was also when he played with Gomez.

I said it before, I'll say it again, Gomez is a black hole of suck capable of tearing out the offensive potential of any player.

No one was complaining about Kostitsyn when he was paired with Eller.

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He's being centered by Gomez.

His worst point of last season was also when he played with Gomez.

I said it before, I'll say it again, Gomez is a black hole of suck capable of tearing out the offensive potential of any player.

No one was complaining about Kostitsyn when he was paired with Eller.
tell that to RC

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tell that to RC
AK at 4 million on a 3rd line is a HUGE waste.

If they keep him (or are unable to get rid of him), play him with DD and MaxPac for a while, and see what he's made of.

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