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04-18-2012, 10:22 AM
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Something around Stewart for Brooks Orpik would probably work.

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04-18-2012, 01:58 PM
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What would you think about Halak or Elliott for Edmonton's 2012 #1 overall pick? I think I'd part with Halak over Elliott at the moment but I'd be fine with either one.

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What would you think about Halak or Elliott for Edmonton's 2012 #1 overall pick? I think I'd part with Halak over Elliott at the moment but I'd be fine with either one.
Wouldn't even be close in value for the #1 pick.

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04-18-2012, 02:11 PM
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Please explain your thinking.

If you trade Halak he comes with a 3.75 mil cap hit for 2 years. That's not insane money for a top 5 goalie in the league. Edmonton needs a goalie in the worst way. They're up there with Tampa Bay.

Surely Yakupov. will make somewhere close to that Halak salary if you include potential bonuses.

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Please explain your thinking.

If you trade Halak he comes with a 3.75 mil cap hit for 2 years. That's not insane money for a top 5 goalie in the league. Edmonton needs a goalie in the worst way. They're up there with Tampa Bay.

Surely Yakupov. will make somewhere close to that Halak salary if you include potential bonuses.
I like Halak as much as any other, but for them to trade the #1 pick, they need a goalie that plays 60+ games, and still puts up top 5 numbers. Halak hasn't proven that, especially with the defense that Edmonton has.

Yakupov is a potential elite offensive catalyst, ton of value.

Look at what we traded Halak for. His value has gone up a little bit, but not to the value of a #1 pick.

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04-18-2012, 03:07 PM
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I'd agree with that.

If you had that deal what else would the Blues have to add to land the top pick?

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04-18-2012, 03:08 PM
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There's no goalie in the league that would fetch the #1 overall pick.

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04-18-2012, 03:13 PM
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I get that Halak for the pick straight up isn't fair.

But any goalie to Edmonton for that pick isn't fair? I don't get that. If Nash offered Rinne you don't think that's fair?

I could see your point if it were Gretzky or Lemieux or Crosby sitting there to be picked. But Yakupov?

Do you have that high of value on Yakupov or do you mean that no matter who the #1 pick is a goalie isn't equal to it?

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04-18-2012, 03:15 PM
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I'd agree with that.

If you had that deal what else would the Blues have to add to land the top pick?
Realistically, it wouldn't work for either side because Halak's value is much higher for a team in our position. Halak IMO isn't the player that makes them a playoff team, even in the near future.

A deal with Jake Allen would make much more sense. Ian Cole would have to be included to help their defense, and our other young dmen are too valuable to us.

If I was interested, which I'm not, the best offer I would put together would be: Allen, Cole, and Stewart. Additional picks/prospects to even things out value wise, but that is the most that I would be willing to give up. If the aren't interested, I would give up, and not add anything else.

Adding Yakupov means we would have 7 wingers for 6 spots. Although I guess he could just play in juniors, and then McDonald leaves and he comes up.

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I get that Halak for the pick straight up isn't fair.

But any goalie to Edmonton for that pick isn't fair? I don't get that. If Nash offered Rinne you don't think that's fair?

I could see your point if it were Gretzky or Lemieux or Crosby sitting there to be picked. But Yakupov?

Do you have that high of value on Yakupov or do you mean that no matter who the #1 pick is a goalie isn't equal to it?
Look at the market value for goalies in the last couple seasons. I don't think there is a guy in the league that would fetch the #1 overall....not straight up.

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04-18-2012, 03:22 PM
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Look at the market value for goalies in the last couple seasons. I don't think there is a guy in the league that would fetch the #1 overall....not straight up.
If they were offered Price or Quick, I'd think the Oilers would make a deal, but Montreal and LA wouldn't. That's why it is so hard to make a realistic proposal with actual players for the #1 pick. The center piece typically is always a top 5 or top 10 pick.

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04-18-2012, 03:25 PM
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Throw out 2 years history. I'm just asking you if Rinne for Yakupov is fair in your mind.

To me it's unfair but on the Rinne side. To me Rinne is more valuable on any team than Yakupov.

Like I said, if Lemieux or Gretzky is there at #1 it's different. But is Yakupov more than a point a game player? If so I'm pretty sure he's not a 2 point a game guy.

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I'd agree with that.

If you had that deal what else would the Blues have to add to land the top pick?
What would the Blues have to add on top of Halak? A lot.

Halak
Shattenkirk
2012 First
2013 First

Yakupov
Dubnyk

That doesn't get it done either.

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That's just stupid. That's enough for an established elite forward.

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That's just stupid. That's enough for an established elite forward.
Certainly not saying I make that deal, but that is the kind of overpayment that it would take to get the Oilers interested. They have no reason to move a potentially elite player at this point.

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Rinne for Yakupov is the closest value. Oilers might have to really think about that one.

But as for the Blues, if the consensus #1 guy were a center, there would be more debate about putting together a package involving one of the goalies and other stuff. Yakupov's not a center, so it's moot. There really isn't any deal I can think of with Edmonton that makes sense both ways.

As for Orpik, right about now is when a trade centered around Stewart for Orpik could be ripe. However, Pens still need to do something about their defense, so adding Stewart shouldn't be a priority.

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04-18-2012, 10:34 PM
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The thing with the #1 pick is, they typically develop very fast into big time players. Look at RNH, Hall, Stamkos, Tavares, etc. Recent #1 picks have developed very fast, which meams that pick will have huge value. Add in age and cost controlled years, it makes no sense in trading that pick if you have it, which is why the pick would cost an insane amount.

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04-19-2012, 12:29 AM
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The thing with the #1 pick is, they typically develop very fast into big time players.
...unless the #1 pick belongs to the Blues.

cough, cough, Erik "Golf Cart" Johnson, cough cough...


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04-19-2012, 12:42 AM
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...unless the #1 pick belongs to the Blues.

cough, cough, Erik "Golf Cart" Johnson, cough cough...

LOL, we are the only team since 2000 to bust with the #1, with the Islanders taking DiPietro. Johnson isn't as bad as him, but he isn't worth a #1. MAF is another that might not be #1 value, but I wouldn't say he is a bust either. Literally from 2001 on, every pick has been successful, except Johnson, who is no where close to his potential.

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04-19-2012, 12:47 AM
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LOL, we are the only team since 2000 to bust with the #1, with the Islanders taking DiPietro. Johnson isn't as bad as him, but he isn't worth a #1. MAF is another that might not be #1 value, but I wouldn't say he is a bust either. Literally from 2001 on, every pick has been successful, except Johnson, who is no where close to his potential.
DiPietro isn't all that bad, but his enormous contract really skews his value, and not in a good way.

Fleury's not a bust, but boy, has he ever looked like garbage with a capital "g" in these playoffs... I think he'd have trouble stopping a beach ball with a snow shovel right about now.

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04-19-2012, 12:50 AM
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Fleury's not a bust, but boy, has he ever looked like garbage with a capital "g" in these playoffs... I think he'd have trouble stopping a beach ball with a snow shovel right about now.
I'm not saying he is a bust either, but Johnson really isn't technically a bust when compared to some of the other busts.

DiPietro has been terrible for quite sometime, but he probably would've been a lot better if it weren't for all the injuries.

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If Pittsburgh decides to move Staal, do you all think we could work something out around Stewart + for Staal?

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My guess is that Edmonton keeps the #1 overall and trades someone like Gagner to get back what they need. They may not get a great player for him but they can get a good one that will be able to help them out.

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If Pittsburgh decides to move Staal, do you all think we could work something out around Stewart + for Staal?
I have no interest in Staal. We don't have the luxury of affording 3 centers that all would command pretty decent salaries. Staal is an UFA after next season, so unless we magically become a cap spending team within that time range, we aren't in a position to go after Staal.

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Staal doesn't interest me a whole lot. Hind sight being 20/20, imagine the Pens with Malkin, Crosby, and Toews. They could've taken him instead of Staal in 06.

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