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02-23-2012, 09:16 AM
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Very unlikely with alot of money being moved but just wanted to gauge opinions on value. Anybody need to add/giving too much?

LA gets:
Nash
Stafford
Buf 2nd (from Cal)

CBJ gets:
Roy
Bernier
J. Johnson
Buf 3rd
LA conditional pick


Buf gets:
Carter
Brown


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02-23-2012, 09:21 AM
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buffalos gotta get more especially if theyre using their first

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02-23-2012, 09:22 AM
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That's WAY too much leaving Buffalo. 1st, 2nd, Roy, Stafford for Carter [basically Roy] and Brown?

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02-23-2012, 09:23 AM
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buffalos gotta get more especially if theyre using their first
They give up the least amount of talent and get 2 of the best players in the deal so no

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02-23-2012, 09:24 AM
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Either Roy or the 1st has to stay.

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Gotta take out the Sabres Picks to make it closer. No way sabres give up that much

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02-23-2012, 09:26 AM
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I would then just assume take out the 1st rather than get more back. Maybe a 3rd/4th or another conditional? based on Sabres making the playoffs?

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02-23-2012, 09:35 AM
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Changed Buffalo's 1st rd pick to a 3rd.

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02-23-2012, 09:56 AM
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Columbus isn't getting enough to warrant both Nash and Carter in this deal, but Buffalo and LA's ends are pretty close to fair imo.

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02-23-2012, 10:10 AM
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They give up the least amount of talent and get 2 of the best players in the deal so no
Nash and Roy are the 2 best players/highest trade value in the deal

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02-23-2012, 10:30 AM
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Nash and Roy are the 2 best players/highest trade value in the deal
I'd rather have carter and brown ahead of Roy any day of the week. Depending on team needs Johnson is pretty damn close too

I'm not taking away from Roy he's a he'll of a player, I've seen plenty of him in his games against Boston and Philly, he's a first line center better suited for second line duty

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02-23-2012, 10:37 AM
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I'd rather have carter and brown ahead of Roy any day of the week. Depending on team needs Johnson is pretty damn close too

I'm not taking away from Roy he's a he'll of a player, I've seen plenty of him in his games against Boston and Philly, he's a first line center better suited for second line duty
yea, actually id value Jack Johnson very high too

Sorry... Carter's trade value is total crap. He has a bum contract, a piss poor attitude, and he's getting run out of his 2nd city in less then a year.

Colmbus isn't coming anywhere close to recouping what they paid for him

Dustin Brown is a guy I'd love to have... But he has nowhere near the trade value that Roy's track record of production and contract create

while trade value always depends on what a team needs, etc... on a generic level, Roys a 1B/2A center... and I think that will always be valued higher then a 20 goal/50+ pt power forward... but that's just me.

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02-23-2012, 10:47 AM
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yea, actually id value Jack Johnson very high too

Sorry... Carter's trade value is total crap. He has a bum contract, a piss poor attitude, and he's getting run out of his 2nd city in less then a year.

Colmbus isn't coming anywhere close to recouping what they paid for him

Dustin Brown is a guy I'd love to have... But he has nowhere near the trade value that Roy's track record of production and contract create
I would take Brown and Carter over Roy.

Carter's contract is lengthy, but when both he and Roy are on their games I'll take Carter easily.

Brown has a better contract than Roy, is more physical and has as good or better goal scoring ability. He is very underrated imo.

In terms of this trade, I look at it like this.

LA gives JJ and Brown for Nash, Bernier + Cond. Pick for Stafford
Buff gives Roy for Brown, Stafford + 2nd + 3rd for Carter
CBJ gives Nash for Roy, JJ, 3rd for Nash and gets Bernier + Cond. Pick for Carter

They are missing value by way of Carter. If someone wants to justify it by Nash/Carter's contracts, they could try, but would fail imo.

Nash > Carter > JJ/Brown/Roy all very close > Stafford > Bernier

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02-23-2012, 11:04 AM
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I break it down like this:

LA gives Bernier, J. Johnson, conditional for Nash
Buf gives Stafford, 3rd for Brown
CBJ gives Carter for Roy and 2nd

With that said I think Columbus needs to be getting more back for Nash. I originally had Buffalo's first but took it out. Maybe switch LA's conditional to a 1st or 2nd?

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CBJ doesn't care about Roy if they're trading Carter and Nash. It makes the most sense to cut them out of the deal and just deal with LAK directly (which is what will happen).

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02-23-2012, 11:10 AM
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Columbus parting with an elite star talent, and it's second biggest asset, and not even getting a 1st round pick or a top prospect makes no sense.

They are a rebuilding team, and this deal really only gives them one piece to build around, in Bernier, and he is still a question mark.

Rebuilding requires 1st round picks and top prospects, not Derek Roy and Jack Johnson. They'll have to take back salary and roster players, but they won't gut their roster just for Jonathan Bernier.

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02-23-2012, 11:20 AM
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I would take Brown and Carter over Roy.

Carter's contract is lengthy, but when both he and Roy are on their games I'll take Carter easily.

Brown has a better contract than Roy, is more physical and has as good or better goal scoring ability. He is very underrated imo.

In terms of this trade, I look at it like this.

LA gives JJ and Brown for Nash, Bernier + Cond. Pick for Stafford
Buff gives Roy for Brown, Stafford + 2nd + 3rd for Carter
CBJ gives Nash for Roy, JJ, 3rd for Nash and gets Bernier + Cond. Pick for Carter

They are missing value by way of Carter. If someone wants to justify it by Nash/Carter's contracts, they could try, but would fail imo.

Nash > Carter > JJ/Brown/Roy all very close > Stafford > Bernier
Nash > JJ/Brown/Roy all very close >Carter > Stafford > Bernier

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sorry but you just can't value Carter in "talent alone" like you would with most players and their contracts.

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02-23-2012, 11:22 AM
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Columbus parting with an elite star talent, and it's second biggest asset, and not even getting a 1st round pick or a top prospect makes no sense.

They are a rebuilding team, and this deal really only gives them one piece to build around, in Bernier, and he is still a question mark.

Rebuilding requires 1st round picks and top prospects, not Derek Roy and Jack Johnson. They'll have to take back salary and roster players, but they won't gut their roster just for Jonathan Bernier.
agree, about Roy (in terms of rebuilding)

But with Jack Johnson's age, and length of contract/cap hit... you could easily consider him part of rebuilding

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agree, about Roy (in terms of rebuilding)

But with Jack Johnson's age, and length of contract/cap hit... you could easily consider him part of rebuilding
Even if you count him, that's only two pieces to a rebuild (Bernier, Johnson) for Carter and Nash.

Columbus wants at least 3 pieces just for Nash, even if some are just a 1st and a prospect.

The idea of parting with Nash is that the return could land 3-4 pieces that could help for the future. Parting with your two biggest assets to take a chance on a goalie and take on 7 years of Jack Johnson when you already have 6 years of James Wisniewski and Tyutin makes no sense. Contracts as long as Johnson's also are a detriment when a guy like John Moore is ready to pass him on the depth chart and needs a new deal in 3 years.

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02-23-2012, 11:47 AM
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As a Kings fan, hell no.

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02-23-2012, 11:53 AM
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Even if you count him, that's only two pieces to a rebuild (Bernier, Johnson) for Carter and Nash.

Columbus wants at least 3 pieces just for Nash, even if some are just a 1st and a prospect.

The idea of parting with Nash is that the return could land 3-4 pieces that could help for the future. Parting with your two biggest assets to take a chance on a goalie and take on 7 years of Jack Johnson when you already have 6 years of James Wisniewski and Tyutin makes no sense. Contracts as long as Johnson's also are a detriment when a guy like John Moore is ready to pass him on the depth chart and needs a new deal in 3 years.
im not saying its a good deal for the jackets... just commenting on the value of the players involved.

I think Carter's value has taken a massive hit.

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Very unlikely with alot of money being moved but just wanted to gauge opinions on value. Anybody need to add/giving too much?

LA gets:
Nash
Stafford
Buf 2nd (from Cal)

CBJ gets:
Roy
Bernier
J. Johnson
Buf 3rd
LA conditional pick


Buf gets:
Carter
Brown
Solid proposal really, I think it would work.

Columbus gets a stud goalie, which they need. A stud defenseman, which they need. Derek Roy, who is a quick enough forward with no attitude issues that can play with their kids coming up. And two picks for two guys they want to get rid of.

Los Angeles gets a superstar in Nash and a solid scoring winger in Stafford for a goalie, which with Quick/ Gibson getting drafted is expendable. Brown, who with Richards' leadership and his current scoring issues can go and Johnson, who with Voynov can go. And a pick.

Buffalo gets a NY gritty forward in Brown, who they'll love. And Carter, a big center to play with Brown and put up points. They give up Roy, who isn't gritty enough for their style and Stafford, who can't shine with their current set of wingers.

This works all around

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How far off is Johnson, Bernier, and a 1st for Carter and Umberger.

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I think I might just take this deal since they took out the buffalo first.

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How far off is Johnson, Bernier, and a 1st for Carter and Umberger.
Intriguing.

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