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02-24-2012, 02:39 AM
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Burke gets Nash . NYR play Tor in 1 ST round , Nash and company light us up . Really hope this doesn't happen . The Monster sucks against everyone but NYR . Nash in Tor sweep us in 3 in round one .Dubi still stuck on 6 goals . Salivating over Dustin Brown . More players that play behind the net . Only player I ever seen in 43 years who could REALLY MAKE THINGS HAPPEN BEHIND THE NET HAS HIS SWEATER FETIRED LEAGUE WIDE .

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Rick Nash looks like he's on the CC Sabathia diet.

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Nyr need players that can play someplace other than the boards or behind the net to truly compete

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If you build a Stanley Cup team, chances are, your players are really good, and it will be hard to keep them together when their contracts are up.

The biggest thing people are missing about the future is, Gaborik will not be resigned if Nash is added. We will have a 3 year window of opportunity to win the Cup with both of them. After that, Gaborik is expendable in favor of youth coming up. 34 year old Gabby that still has health questions becomes expendable when you have 30 year old Nash and other players like Stepan turning 25, Kreider turning 27, etc...

Timing is everything. Kreider will not be an instant 30-40 goal superstar. You have to give him 2-3 years to develop. Nash is the player the Rangers need right now and through the next 3 years. By the time Kreider is ready, Gaborik can be let go at age 34. Nash will still be there as the Rangers top player. BUT Kreider can't be involved. You gotta go with something like Dubinsky, McIlrath, Christian Thomas, and a #1. maybe even substitute Hagelin for McIlrath.

How do you expect to keep a roster like Staal, Girardi, McDonagh, Del Zotto, Sauer, McIlrath, Erixon????? Thats 7 TOP defensemen that will command top contracts and top minutes. Move 1 piece now to complete a lack of offense on the team and make your cup run.

Your never gonna be able to hold onto all those D in 3 years when Erixon and McIlrath are ready. Fill a hole now before you lose someone in the future for less.
Going for a Stanley Cup is all about getting the most peaking players in their prime as you can. You may have prospects up the rear, but if the timing is always off on the development, then you will never win. The Rangers are in a VERY important 3 year stretch right now when they have some world class Defense ALL signed. Lundqvist is in his prime. They NEED to make the move for Nash to complete the Offense. If you wait, then you will eventually lose Defense to higher contracts, Lundqvists gets older, etc... Gotta take FULL advantage of the next 3 year window to win the cup.

Our Defense is already one of the best in the league. You need offense to add to it in order to win. EVERY team will step up in defense when the playoffs come around. If we can't finish against the 30th team in the league, then what happens in the playoffs???

Our games come down to defense and goaltending way too much. You need to address the lack of finishing NOW or it will hurt you in the playoffs when EVERYONE starts to play more shutdown D.
Your first point isn't true at all.

Chicago is one example of a SC team who had to get rid of pieces. But, they're still a contending team. Detroit always, Pittsburgh, Boston, etc. It's hard to win back to back Cups, but it's not hard to put a Cup contending team out there for a long period of time.

Getting Nash now makes the window much more closed. I'd say it's Cup or Bust for this year and next before things get dicey.
After this season:

-Del Zotto RFA

After 2013 season:

-Stepan RFA
-Hagelin RFA
-Sauer RFA
-McDonagh RFA
-Anisimov RFA

Please tell me how we keep most of those guys with raises with Nash, Lundqvist, Richards,? Also, 2014 Lundqvist, Callahan, and Gaborik's contracts are up. How do we keep Hank and our Captain with 7.8 mill of Nash and 6.6 of Richards,eating up space? Fine, let Gaborik walk or trade him. And we're back to where we are now with Gaborik being our only goal scorer whereas Nash would be then, ONLY with likely key young guys gone, the same ones who have been key players of a 1st place team.


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Burke gets Nash . NYR play Tor in 1 ST round , Nash and company light us up . Really hope this doesn't happen . The Monster sucks against everyone but NYR . Nash in Tor sweep us in 3 in round one .Dubi still stuck on 6 goals . Salivating over Dustin Brown . More players that play behind the net . Only player I ever seen in 43 years who could REALLY MAKE THINGS HAPPEN BEHIND THE NET HAS HIS SWEATER FETIRED LEAGUE WIDE .
Round 1 is best of 7 games... This isn't baseball.

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That is the system we play. If Nash comes, that's the way he's going to be expected to play. There's a reason we are one of the top teams 5 on 5. Hopefully, Nash will help the powerplay.

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When NYR are out in 1 ST round again will this season still be looked at as a success because this time they held there prospects .

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Your first point isn't true at all.

Chicago is one example of a SC team who had to get rid of pieces. But, they're still a contending team. Detroit always, Pittsburgh, Boston, etc. It's hard to win back to back Cups, but it's not hard to put a Cup contending team out there for a long period of time.

Getting Nash now makes the window much more closed. I'd say it's Cup or Bust for this year and next before things get dicey. You also act as if our young guys aren't up for contracts until 2020. Oh, the same ones who key components of a 1st place hockey team.

After this season:

-Del Zotto RFA

After 2013 season:

-Stepan RFA
-Hagelin RFA
-Sauer RFA
-McDonagh RFA
-Anisimov RFA

Please tell me how we keep most of those guys with raises with Nash, Lundqvist, Richards,? Also, 2014 Lundqvist, Callahan, and Gaborik's contracts are up. How do we keep Hank and our Captain with 7.8 mill of Nash and 6.6 of Richards,eating up space? Fine, let Gaborik walk or trade him. And we're back to where we are now with Gaborik being our only goal scorer whereas Nash would be then, ONLY with likely key young guys gone.
Because there is only ONE way to sign all those guys. Who knows ... could trade Nash or Gaborik. Could have enough cap room just by payroll going up ... could have to get rid of Rupp's 1.5 million salary.

There's a million things that the Rangers could do, and will do to keep those players. This isn't Chris Drury, Gomez, and Redden. Those were all players in the decline of their career. Nash is 27 and his contract runs for his PRIME years. He will always be a trade-able asset. Yes, cap room would be an issue in 2 years, but it can and will always be fixable.

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When NYR are out in 1 ST round again will this season still be looked at as a success because this time they held there prospects .
As someone else mention in a previous post/thread. Nash doesn't guarantee the Rangers anything. But if their chances right now are 12.5% to win the cup, they would go up to 15% with Nash. He would help, not guarantee anything.

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That is the system we play. If Nash comes, that's the way he's going to be expected to play. There's a reason we are one of the top teams 5 on 5. Hopefully, Nash will help the powerplay.
NYR play that SYSTEM because they lack players like RICK NASH . They signed Brad Gomez to create and help the PP not cycle .

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Because there is only ONE way to sign all those guys. Who knows ... could trade Nash or Gaborik. Could have enough cap room just by payroll going up ... could have to get rid of Rupp's 1.5 million salary.

There's a million things that the Rangers could do, and will do to keep those players. This isn't Chris Drury, Gomez, and Redden. Those were all players in the decline of their career. Nash is 27 and his contract runs for his PRIME years. He will always be a trade-able asset. Yes, cap room would be an issue in 2 years, but it can and will always be fixable.
So why would we trade Gaborik?

We'd be back to where we are now except replace Gaborik with Nash, but with also raises due for many players. 2013 and 2014 is where things get tricky.

Like I said, it's basically Cup or bust for this year and next if we trade for Nash.

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NYR play that SYSTEM because they lack players like RICK NASH . They signed Brad Gomez to create and help the PP not cycle .
Why do you continue to rant? It all sounds useless and a waste of your breath

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So why would we trade Gaborik?

We'd be back to where we are now except replace Gaborik with Nash, but with also raises due for many players. 2013 and 2014 is where things get tricky.

Like I said, it's basically Cup or bust for this year and next if we trade for Nash.
And that's a bad thing? There's no more dynasties people, get that through your heads.

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And that's a bad thing? There's no more dynasties people, get that through your heads.
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And that's a bad thing? There's no more dynasties people, get that through your heads.
Sure, no team right now is winning 3 or 4 in a row. BUT, we won ONE in 94. And then the Devils went on a 10 year run of being competitive and winning 3 times. Wouldn't you rather look to a different model like the Red Wings of the past 15 years than a repeat of 94? I'm sick of creating these small windows to win and then spending 10-15 years in mediocre misery. I'm 36 years old and I've seen the team play in a total of 7 stanley cup finals games (guess which year). It's pathetic. All because we always think we need to trade for some other teams growing headache.

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NYR play that SYSTEM because they lack players like RICK NASH . They signed Brad Gomez to create and help the PP not cycle .
Bradley Gomez was the man!

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NYR play that SYSTEM because they lack players like RICK NASH . They signed Brad Gomez to create and help the PP not cycle .
Cycling is the most important part of offensive zone play in hockey, right. Success in any offensive situation, including the PP, usually begins with cycling,

In fact, the Rangers don't cycle the puck enough. They shuffle the puck back and forth along the boards. Two very different things. What exactly do you expect Rick Nash to do, if not cycle?

No wonder you try to draw comparisons between Richards and Gomez.

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Bradley Gomez was the man!
Haha! But it was actually Bradford Gomez.

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Because there is only ONE way to sign all those guys. Who knows ... could trade Nash or Gaborik. Could have enough cap room just by payroll going up ... could have to get rid of Rupp's 1.5 million salary.

There's a million things that the Rangers could do, and will do to keep those players. This isn't Chris Drury, Gomez, and Redden. Those were all players in the decline of their career. Nash is 27 and his contract runs for his PRIME years. He will always be a trade-able asset. Yes, cap room would be an issue in 2 years, but it can and will always be fixable.

When the Rangers signed Bradford Gomez, he was so out of his prime! I mean, what 27 year old UFA can be expected to play at a high level at such an old age? There's no way it was because he wasn't that talented or motivated to begin with, right?

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Genuine question guys,

Is Dustin Brown really that much of an upgrade over what what we already have? Sure he is a good player but when you look at what it would take to acquire both Nash and Brown then it just seems a little far fetched.

I have to say after reading Mooseheads post regarding Nash it has put me at ease with the deal should it happen but with Brown i am just not sure if he'd be worth the assets required.

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Brown's a pretty good player, except this year. He has 30 goal, 60 point talent, but ultimately is pretty much another Callahan.

Which isn't bad at all, you just have to define what you're looking for. A guy who could be a gamebreaking scorer, or a solid all around player with good skills.

I don't think the Rangers have the assets to trade for both of them

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Brown's Right handed shot from the LW can help this team a great deal.

Get both him and Nash.

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I know that this should not be the case, but for some reason I think I am going to be very disappointed come Tuesday morning that we have essentially the same team....don't get me wrong, I LOVE this team, but the prospect of bringing in Nash AND Brown perhaps in place of Dubi and Arty and nobody else from the roster?...wow that's a scary team to match up against....Tuesday can't come quick enough

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When will this stuff end?

Sutter will just love Anisimov

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