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02-24-2012, 03:10 PM
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Listen I want Nash but not at the salary and tenure, so I don't want him. I'm not however, going to ***** and moan about him if he does get here based solely on his salary because it would just be beating a dead horse..

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No I was talking about Dennis Wideman. Honestly dont care if hes soft, he knows how to play the point on the PP and will shoot the puck. The Rangers need that and if he can be had for cheep I have no problem putting him in the lineup in Emingers spot and let Staal cover for his defensive mistakes.
Staal hasn't been able to make up for Eminger, what makes you think he'll cover up Wideman's glaring turnovers and horrible D?

Also, McCabe was supposed to fix our PP last year...BR was supposed to fix it this year. Reality is nobody is going to fix it until Torts changes the system or insists on movement. When he does that, it will be fixed independent if any acquisitions. Fixed or not, Wideman will be responsible for some goals allowed and he won't be primarilly responsible for any corresponding offensive impovement.

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02-24-2012, 03:11 PM
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You'd think they'd have to be. I mean, why is Toronto even interested? They have way more important holes than offense... they are 28th in the entire NHL in goals against per game, yet they are thinking of trading defense for more scoring?? How about address the goalie situation? or team defense?
I dont like Burke at all, but even I dont think hes that stupid.
Look at their fan base. Tons of trade proposals for offensive players and they are always saying how "deep" they are defensively (which is why Schenn is getting less minutes, of course). Amazing how such a deep defensive team can be so bad defensively.

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No I was talking about Dennis Wideman. Honestly dont care if hes soft, he knows how to play the point on the PP and will shoot the puck. The Rangers need that and if he can be had for cheep I have no problem putting him in the lineup in Emingers spot and let Staal cover for his defensive mistakes.
Sorry. Didn't read what I missed in the trade thread. Went here first, so I had no idea about Wideman being potentially available. If Sather can get him on the cheap, then I say go for it. An upgrade of Eminger-that's for sure.

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02-24-2012, 03:15 PM
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Sorry. Didn't read what I missed in the trade thread. Went here first, so I had no idea about Wideman being potentially available. If Sather can get him on the cheap, then I say go for it. An upgrade of Eminger-that's for sure.
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02-24-2012, 03:18 PM
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Staal hasn't been able to make up for Eminger, what makes you think he'll cover up Wideman's glaring turnovers and horrible D?

Also, McCabe was supposed to fix our PP last year...BR was supposed to fix it this year. Reality is nobody is going to fix it until Torts changes the system or insists on movement. When he does that, it will be fixed independent if any acquisitions. Fixed or not, Wideman will be responsible for some goals allowed and he won't be primarilly responsible for any corresponding offensive impovement.
Getting Wideman does more to help the PP than doing nothing. Not saying he definitely helps or is the answer but he'll shoot the puck on the PP and thats what this team needs. He obviously knows how to work the PP. Like I said defense isnt this teams problem and it wont get worse by putting him in Emingers spot but the potential sure as hell is there for him to help the offense.

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Look at their fan base. Tons of trade proposals for offensive players and they are always saying how "deep" they are defensively (which is why Schenn is getting less minutes, of course). Amazing how such a deep defensive team can be so bad defensively.
But Jake Gardiner is the next Nick Lidstrom, and Luke Schenn is a "stud"

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02-24-2012, 03:28 PM
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But Jake Gardiner is the next Nick Lidstrom, and Luke Schenn is a "stud"
And Dion Phaneuf is a top 10 d-man

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02-24-2012, 03:31 PM
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Look at their fan base. Tons of trade proposals for offensive players and they are always saying how "deep" they are defensively (which is why Schenn is getting less minutes, of course). Amazing how such a deep defensive team can be so bad defensively.
With "Vezina" Reimer they don't even need defensemen.

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We need another sniper, all great teams have a marquee duo who get **** DONE.
Let's rewind a bit. Weren't Richards and Gaborik supposed to be that duo?

And if Nash and his unmanageable play to the level or Richards, are we going to start to look at "who do we need to get to play with Nash"?

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02-24-2012, 03:32 PM
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Let's rewind a bit. Weren't Richards and Gaborik supposed to be that duo?

And if Nash and his unmanageable play to the level or Richards, are we going to start to look at "who do we need to get to play with Nash"?
It's a never ending cycle.

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02-24-2012, 03:33 PM
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It's a never ending cycle.
That goes to the fact that a player is much more likely to succeed for NYR if they are brought in under the lights. Some players can play here. And some cannot. Unfortunately, most of the players that are signed/traded for, do not live up to expectations.

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02-24-2012, 03:36 PM
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Jeff Gorton was the Bruins AGM when Mike O'Connell traded Brad Boyes to the Blues for Denis Wideman.

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Let's rewind a bit. Weren't Richards and Gaborik supposed to be that duo?

And if Nash and his unmanageable play to the level or Richards, are we going to start to look at "who do we need to get to play with Nash"?
Gaborik and Richards have actually looked good together this season. That is, the 10 minutes that Tortorella has kept them together this season

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02-24-2012, 03:41 PM
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The Rangers are offering Columbus a shutdown D

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This hulking blueline is anchored by New York Rangers first-round pick Dylan McIlrath. The 6-foot-5, 215-pounder is consistently matched up against opponents' top scorers as a shutdown specialist.

"I try to play big and play a shutdown role against teams' top lines," says McIlrath. "I play physical and try to make it hard on players who try to go hard to the net and sit around the net looking for rebounds."

McIlrath's role with the Warriors is vital to their expected playoff success. He will be heavily counted on to shutdown opponents' top stars. This task obviously won't be easy for the Winnipeg native with the possibilities of being matched up against the likes of Medicine Hat Tigers sniper Emerson Etem and Brandon Wheat Kings star Mark Stone down the stretch.
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/juniorhoc...rhockey,wp7596

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02-24-2012, 03:41 PM
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Gaborik and Richards have actually looked good together this season. That is, the 10 minutes that Tortorella has kept them together this season
The powerplay also looks great whenever Torts lets Richards man the point, which he did in that Philadelphia game.

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02-24-2012, 03:42 PM
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funny how the blue jackets moved carter and backed themselves into a corner. they can't just do half the rebuild. not that it's the end of the world if they don't move nash now, but they do look a bit half-assed.

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02-24-2012, 03:42 PM
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The powerplay also looks great whenever Torts lets Richards man the point, which he did in that Philadelphia game.
I'd say "better" would be more appropriate than "great."

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I know the sheer amount of trades I'm talking about isn't normal, but if the Rangers walk away on Monday with

Nash/Brown
Wideman (if he becomes available)
Pahlsson/Gaustad

That'd be a helluva a trade deadline. Adding offense up front, on the blue line, and a faceoff specialist for the playoffs.

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02-24-2012, 03:44 PM
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I'd say "better" would be more appropriate than "great."
I'd classify 3 PP goals in a game as "great."

Unfortunately, teams picked up on our Gabby-DZ-Cally set play.

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I fully expect to see Dubinsky play out of his mind tonight. However, I should be seeing that EVERY night from him regardless. But, if all this trade talk doesn't light a fire under his ass, I don't know what will.

It sure didn't last game. Going to be interesting to see...

Really. REALLY?! You think that the problem with Dubinsky is one of effort?! Game after game, Dubinsky is flying out there. His line is always the one people are noticing for positive reasons. I've lost count of the number of times that poster after poster in the PGT have said "Dubinsky was one of our best players--shame he didn't pot one." His shot total and his shooting percentage are both way down this season. It's in his head. He'll snap out of it. But to question his effort? You've officially just notified the rest of the board that you don't watch the games. Thanks for letting us know.

--Nash is the one with a copious track record of not showing up for his team. He's a floater who plays hard on HIS terms. If we do trade for Nash (and if we do, I hope to God I'm wrong here), it will be an unmitigated disaster. I give it 10-15 games before he starts hurting the team on the ice, and 1 to 2 years before this board turns on him.


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02-24-2012, 03:46 PM
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I suppose the only problem is the Blue Jackets play in the NHL and not the WHL

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funny how the blue jackets moved carter and backed themselves into a corner. they can't just do half the rebuild. not that it's the end of the world if they don't move nash now, but they do look a bit half-assed.
I actually see it the other way. If they move Nash, who is going to buy tickets? They do have home games left. They could probably use that revenue. And they were the worst team in the league with Vermette, Carter and Nash. Imagine how bad they'll be for the rest of the year without them . They don't want to completely turn their fanbase off in the near term. The ill will could carry over even when they start to be decent again, they'll need to make people forget this year.

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