haley offers protection..we need to protect our stars..we do not do a good job of that
I don't think Haley is really the answer either. I mean I would def rather him over rolston reasoner or pandolfo but that's not saying much. It's not like our young guys are getting cheap shots on them a lot at all but when they are Martin is the one who stands up for them. We bring Haley up he is going to play maybe 5 min. I just think we need to get a few tougher players next year who can actually play the game as well. Very excited to see czikas play tom though
teams aren't going to not hit John Tavares because Michael Haley is on the bench. It sure didn't stop them when guys like Haley, Gillies, Konopka & Martin were in the lineup.
You do not even need to look at the posters name to know this was you .
Listen I dont wan to come off like a D**** but you really are uninformed on this issue.
It is clear that you have never played this sport because if you did you would understand what guys like Haley and Gillies bring to a team.
Sure there will always be cheap shots taken with tough guys in the line-up, no one is claiming that if a Haley or Gillies is here that no one is gonna get cheapshotted.
Your right JT or anyone else are still going to be ran from time to time. Of course that would happen, it happenes on occasion with every team but what you just dont get or realize is that stuff WONT HAPPEN AS OFTEN with guys like that dressed.
Not to mention the fact that when a cheap shot is taken we know those guys will make those teams pay unlike our gutles cowards(except Martin) on this team that have all year let our Goalies to JT to other players being ran and cheapshotted all year and stand and do nothing.
What I can gurantee is teams will be much more willing to hold up on taking a run when those types of guys are on the bench. There is just no debating that. These types of guys also provide star players more confidence to play instead of someone taking their head off and it gives these guys more room on the ice.
Do you notice how all players past and present SAY THIS EXACT THING, from current players to former players ,they all say the same exact thing. INTIMINADATION is a huge part of the game and past and current players have spoke numerous times on this issue and they all say the same thing that those players serve as a deterrent and are a physical pressence on the bench and every player wants a guy like that on their team. There is no debating that ask any past or present player and they will tell you how much these guys mean to a team. Matt Martin also praised Haley when he was called earlier up saying its always nice to have another player willing to take care of business.
I'll take the opinions of past and fromer NHL PLAYERS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME instead of someone that wants to build a fantasy team or NHL the video game.
How many cheapshots have occured this year. Goalies being run over numerous times without any one doing a damn thing. JT being ran numerous times this year with no one doing a thing about it.
You say, "It sure didn't stop them when guys like Haley, Gillies, Konopka & Martin were in the lineup"
What, It didn't? What games were you watching? Last year when we started dressing Konopka,Martin,Gilles and Haley at the end of the year WE HAD NO CHEAPSHOTS, no team tried a damn thing after all those guys playing and after that pitt game. No one was cheap shotting us after that Pitt game. Hmmm, I wonder why.
You are such an anti tough type of fan its actually getting pretty funny.
We have no toughness and are the softest team in the league and you complain about Haley. We get it any player that shows any amount of toughness , emotion or fire you dont like. Go watch womens hockey or euro trash because thats the type of hockey you want and it's clearly obvious.
Cizikas is as big as Haley (which isn't really big) and he has a rep as a tough player, a point getter and a leader. If you want toughness you should be happy Cizikas is coming up but instead you're complaining.
Like another poster already pointed out to you this logic is ridiculous.
Cizikas has never had a fight in his career. Cizikas is leading the bridge in scoring and will do what ever it takes to get a goal. Cizikas does not have a rep for being a tough player Haley does.
Haley and Cizikas are 2 tottaly different players. Haleys job is to protect, defend his teammates and bring energy and fight.
Cizikas is not that player no where close to even being remotley the same type of player Haley is. This logis is so flawed.
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This logic is ridiculous. Cizikas and Haley are 2 completely different players. Haley's purpose is to bring energy and protect our players if they're getting pushed around. Cizikas' purpose is to be a heart and soul guy who will do anything to get to the puck, score a few goals, and set up teammates.
and yet the Islanders are 13-21 in games Haley plays over his career. He's pretty much a non factor. I'll be more than happy to see what the vastly superior Casey Czikas has to offer.
and a "heart & soul" guy who will do anything to get the puck, sounds like an energy player to me.
and yet the Islanders are 13-21 in games Haley plays over his career. He's pretty much a non factor. I'll be more than happy to see what the vastly superior Casey Czikas has to offer.
and a "heart & soul" guy who will do anything to get the puck, sounds like an energy player to me.
WOW! Your really trying way to hard. Blaming the record on Haley makes you sound even more foolish. Thats just a stupid analogy. This whole team has a losing record the last few years so by your analogy, all the players are non factors then right? What a dumb analogy.
Haley is not here to score goals he's here to provide this team with energy, and TOUGHNESS and the ability to stick up for a teammate. What part of that do you not understand?
Comparing the energy of a player in Czikas to the type of an energy and toughness a player a like Haley provides is too different things. This is not that hard to understand. They are 2 tottaly different players.
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and yet the Islanders are 13-21 in games Haley plays over his career. He's pretty much a non factor. I'll be more than happy to see what the vastly superior Casey Czikas has to offer.
and a "heart & soul" guy who will do anything to get the puck, sounds like an energy player to me.
You better be willing to call Czikas a "non factor" if the Islanders wind up having a bad record with him in the line-up. Your argument is so flawed and really makes you look real foolish here.
You are so biased against tough players and you just keep getting worse and worse. Keep trying, your making yourself look real good on this issue.
I don't get it. If Haley is so valuable, why do we want to risk losing him to waivers?
Because unless Bailey is put on LTIR, Haley will need to go through waivers. Cizikas would not. If Haley is good enough to be the clearly correct option there is no way to guarantee him clearing (especially in light of Wallace getting claimed...).
and yet the Islanders are 13-21 in games Haley plays over his career. He's pretty much a non factor. I'll be more than happy to see what the vastly superior Casey Czikas has to offer.
and a "heart & soul" guy who will do anything to get the puck, sounds like an energy player to me.
Haley also provides toughness as Isles4ever82 stated. This team has no toughness. At all. Martin is the only tough player and he's forming into a solid player we can't risk him being in the penalty box for a while. A team like this needs to have guys willing to fight and protect themselves. Our mentality as a whole is fragile and us getting pummeled every night physically with no retaliation does nothing but hurt the team. Look how the team responded when Konopka took a stand on the team in the 2nd half of the season.
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I don't get it. If Haley is so valuable, why do we want to risk losing him to waivers?
Because unless Bailey is put on LTIR, Haley will need to go through waivers. Cizikas would not. If Haley is good enough to be the clearly correct option there is no way to guarantee him clearing (especially in light of Wallace getting claimed...).
Haley for this year is exempt from waivers this season. Next year I believe will have to go through waivers. Don't know the exact reasoning for it, but I do know he wouldn't go through waivers.
and yet the Islanders are 13-21 in games Haley plays over his career. He's pretty much a non factor. I'll be more than happy to see what the vastly superior Casey Czikas has to offer.
and a "heart & soul" guy who will do anything to get the puck, sounds like an energy player to me.
Another stat to offer since you seem so misinformed on this topic. After the all star break when we started to dress one of the toughest line-ups in the NHL we went 15-17 but 6 of those losses came in overtime or the shoot out. So in 6 of those losses not only did we get points we were in a position to win come overtime with all those "useless players" as you put it.
Lets not forget we also had no Striet for those streach of games a horrid defence and no Nabakov stealing games for us like we do this year.
We will see how we finish this year with all those "skill players" taking the spots of the so called useless tough guys in Konopka,Haley and Gillies. Lets see how much better we play down the streatch with your pacifist line-up.
This team has no toughness and for you to be so blind to it makes me question your credibility. You have been called out by numerous posters in other threads on this topic. You clearly just dont get it.
I have been telling you all year your soft as butter lineup is not going anywhere, but you think this is fantasy hockey or the NHL video game and tottaly dismiss or flat dont recognize the intangables a guy like a Konopka or Haley bring. At the end of the year we will see how much better your soft a** team preforms with a healthy Striet,KO a goaltenter stealing games and better "hockey" players then the players like "useless" like Konopka, Haley ect.
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Haley for this year is exempt from waivers this season. Next year I believe will have to go through waivers. Don't know the exact reasoning for it, but I do know he wouldn't go through waivers.
What are you basing this on?
He signed his first NHL contract at age 22, and has played over three seasons since then. That should mean he's lost his exempt status from waivers.
Interesting...In fact I'm a little surprised they decided to call him up now as Bport are on a roll and they could potentially ruiin their momentum with this move. Best of luck to him though - it's well deserved!
Like another poster already pointed out to you this logic is ridiculous.
Cizikas has never had a fight in his career. Cizikas is leading the bridge in scoring and will do what ever it takes to get a goal. Cizikas does not have a rep for being a tough player Haley does.
Haley and Cizikas are 2 tottaly different players. Haleys job is to protect, defend his teammates and bring energy and fight.
Cizikas is not that player no where close to even being remotley the same type of player Haley is. This logis is so flawed.
your right..to think cizikas can fill that role is absurd...anyone who doesn't think that haley wouldn't bring a significant physical upgrade is watching different games than me..and anyone who is seeing the beating that JT is taking is blind
and yet the Islanders are 13-21 in games Haley plays over his career. He's pretty much a non factor. I'll be more than happy to see what the vastly superior Casey Czikas has to offer.
and a "heart & soul" guy who will do anything to get the puck, sounds like an energy player to me.
right i would so much rather see Rolston and Reasoner because they are bringing SOOOOOOOOO MUCH TO THE TABLE...this thread makes me want to stab my eyes out
He signed his first NHL contract at age 22, and has played over three seasons since then. That should mean he's lost his exempt status from waivers.
His first NHL contract was a 2 year contract, considering he was undrafted. This year was his qualifying offer and the 3rd year being signed by the Isles, forcing him to be exempt for this year. Next year he'll have to go through waivers if need be.
I remember there was a mystery as to why he wouldn't cleared waivers in the beginning of the season. Something in the CBA allowed it. Go figure.
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Haley is garbage. Only Islander fans.
Says the guy with none other than... Micheal Haley in his avatar.
Cizikas is as big as Haley (which isn't really big) and he has a rep as a tough player, a point getter and a leader. If you want toughness you should be happy Cizikas is coming up but instead you're complaining.
I'm happy he is coming up. The problem is that others also need to be brought in. Generally speaking, our team is a giant bunch of cream puffs. Considering the number of non-contributing, non-tough guys we have like Rolston, Reasoner, etc., it isn't like you can't fill their spots with folks who can at least be physical. IMO, both Cizikas and Haley should be here. They also need to make some fundamental changes to "the core" as it is populated by too many *******. Grabner, Nielsen, Okposo, Moulson, and Bailey couldn't win a fight with a daisy. They also don't bring a physical element. We get dominated and ***** slapped by all the physical teams to the point that we worry about the long term health of the skilled guys.
That's the problem Hockify, and it doesn't help that the cat got out of the bag about Wang trying to design a team full of ******* and not wanting anyone to fight. That works if you are a middle aged house wife running for the PTA. That does not work with an NHL hockey team. It's like putting a racing team in Nascar and telling them not to speed because it's dangerous, further proof that if the hockey ignoramus running this club accidentally wandered into a stage 4 titan missile and took a one way trip to Saturn we'd all be better off.
Does he have any NHL potential? Or is he stuck in the AHL for his career.
You'd figure on this team, most AHL players have a chance to play in the NHL. I'm just wondering how they are deciding because most of the call ups this year I wasn't too familiar with. Those who I thought should have been up, weren't.
ahl player...north and south only...can't do anything with the puck and is not a good or strong skater
The obsession of Isles fans to have players like Haley and Gillies in our line-up over a player like Cizikas, Ulstrom or Rhakshani is rather unfortunate.
The play of Haley and Gillies last season did not bring the Isles anywhere close to sniffing the playoffs.
They are both in essence, goons with 1-dimension of play.
Cizikas and Ulstrom are players who will fill 3rd line rolls and possibly put some pucks in the net, shut down opposing teams better lines over time with high energy and physical play.
The upside of Cizikas and Ulstrom is far higher then Haley. Why Isles fans want him here is beyond understanding. If he had a game like Matt Martin, Id understand. Martin does a lot more then drop the gloves.
My only issue with bringing Cizikas up now is the argument of letting him play pressure free for an entire season in Bridgeport. The other possibility is that this taste brings him up a notch, and perhaps it gives the Isles flexibility in possibly moving Josh Bailey during the summer.
Im excited to see a rookie come in. Open mind. Open heart. Maybe the guy can add something we dont have. An element that is missing. To be negative on a player before he has played a single game, or had a single shift is not healthy!
I would have my line up as follows for tonight....although, I would have brought Ulstrom back in to replace Rolston...
The obsession of Isles fans to have players like Haley and Gillies in our line-up over a player like Cizikas, Ulstrom or Rhakshani is rather unfortunate.
The play of Haley and Gillies last season did not bring the Isles anywhere close to sniffing the playoffs.
They are both in essence, goons with 1-dimension of play.
Cizikas and Ulstrom are players who will fill 3rd line rolls and possibly put some pucks in the net, shut down opposing teams better lines over time with high energy and physical play.
The upside of Cizikas and Ulstrom is far higher then Haley. Why Isles fans want him here is beyond understanding. If he had a game like Matt Martin, Id understand. Martin does a lot more then drop the gloves.
My only issue with bringing Cizikas up now is the argument of letting him play pressure free for an entire season in Bridgeport. The other possibility is that this taste brings him up a notch, and perhaps it gives the Isles flexibility in possibly moving Josh Bailey during the summer.
Im excited to see a rookie come in. Open mind. Open heart. Maybe the guy can add something we dont have. An element that is missing. To be negative on a player before he has played a single game, or had a single shift is not healthy!
(mod edit: come on really?)
nobody wants gillies..period..he can't get on the ice in bport...nobody wants haley over a young skilled player...WE WANT HALEY OVER BRIAN F'ING ROLSTON AND MARTY F'ING REASONER...why can't anyone see this..how many times this season does jt get run..or PA gets hit high...it happens at least once a game...will Haley win games?? no will he bring a much needed energy to the team YES..if your ok with JT being in a wheelchair in four years then go right ahead...this thread makes my eyes vomit
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WOW! Your really trying way to hard. Blaming the record on Haley makes you sound even more foolish. Thats just a stupid analogy. This whole team has a losing record the last few years so by your analogy, all the players are non factors then right? What a dumb analogy.
Haley is not here to score goals he's here to provide this team with energy, and TOUGHNESS and the ability to stick up for a teammate. What part of that do you not understand?
Comparing the energy of a player in Czikas to the type of an energy and toughness a player a like Haley provides is too different things. This is not that hard to understand. They are 2 tottaly different players.
The part that I don't understand is how he does he actually protect John Tavares (the only player we're really concerned about protecting) when he's sitting on the bench for 55 minutes a game.
The record isn't Haleys fault. It's just a fact that protecting our players with 4th liners doesn't do anything. Players need to be on the ice in order to protect eachother. Michael Haley is a waste of a roster spot.
Give me a guy who can play this sport Give me a guy who the coach can count on to take a regular shift. Give me another Matt Martin. Not some career AHL player who takes dumb penalties and wastes the roster spot of a superior player. Hell Pandolfo does more to help this team win then Michael Haley would.
Haley also provides toughness as Isles4ever82 stated. This team has no toughness. At all. Martin is the only tough player and he's forming into a solid player we can't risk him being in the penalty box for a while. A team like this needs to have guys willing to fight and protect themselves. Our mentality as a whole is fragile and us getting pummeled every night physically with no retaliation does nothing but hurt the team. Look how the team responded when Konopka took a stand on the team in the 2nd half of the season.
Haley for this year is exempt from waivers this season. Next year I believe will have to go through waivers. Don't know the exact reasoning for it, but I do know he wouldn't go through waivers.
And Matt Martin is valuable to the team because he has the smarts & abilities to play 15 minutes a night and he doesn't take stupid penalties. Hell if Haley just had the smarts of Martin then Haley would be on this team now. But he doesn't. he goes for big hits every single time & fair or not, the refs are going to make calls on Haley.
Martin knows how to hit properly. When players are in a vulnerable spot, he doesn't lay them out. He lightly checks them into the boards, which takes them out of the play temporarily, but he doesn't get a penalty. If a player is in a vulnerable position, Haley will just crush him and get a boarding penalty. Haley can skate. That's about the only hockey skill he has. That plus his toughness would be adequate if he had any brains. But he doesn't. I don't want to waste a roster spot on a guy who will play 5 minutes a night and in those 5 minutes he'll get at least 1 penalty. That does NOTHING to help the team.
I'm sure that Scott Hartnell is real scared of Michael Haley screaming at him from the bench.
Get tough top 6 forwards to protect our star player. That is the ONLY way to do it in todays NHL.
I am excited for Cizikas, I wish he werent playing with Rolston. I was hoping for Nino to be on that line but he cant because he would be lost without the great mentoring of Marty Reasoner and Jay Pandolfo.
I am excited for Cizikas, I wish he werent playing with Rolston. I was hoping for Nino to be on that line but he cant because he would be lost without the great mentoring of Marty Reasoner and Jay Pandolfo.
