No doubt. Richards was offsides when the puck was dropped. Thought he did okay on the draws otherwise and he saw 2nd unit PP time!
As for the Haley chatter, when your head coach says in the presser after the sens game and pretty much most of the season that your line-up lacks physicallity, why would anyone here argue the value of Haley vs. Reasoner or Pando? 1 goal between them at the 60 game mark and both are looking old.
This thread has kind of morphed into the Church of Steve Webb, where the congregation worships crummy AHL players.
Now your questioning Steve Webb? Your kinda looking real foolish here. Your makeing my case ever further. Do you just dislike anyplayer that playes with any fire or physicality ? You just dont get it, but thanks for helping me make my case.
Steve Webb is the perfect example of a player that is not gonna show up on the score sheet but his impact was huge.
The Impact that Steve Webb had throughout the year 02 year and especially in the Toronto series is the perfect example of how you need those types of guys on your team. He had a huge impact on that series.
He played a big impact during that Toronto series. Anyone who questions that is a is just ignorent and loses credibility.
Steve Webb was a lousy hockey player. I don't want lousy hockey players here. His Folk Hero status for his illegal checks in the 1st round playoff loss where the team lost their best Dman and arguably best forward/captain to cheapshots not withstanding. I want good hockey players.
Get Aaron Asham back. Draft more Matt Martin types in the 2nd half of the draft. Bring in Dustin Brown or Milan Lucic. Hell even a Matthew Barnaby would be preferential over a scrub like Haley. Go back in time & get Tie Domi. Those are the types of players we need. not players like Steve Webb & Michael Haley who would not get a shot in the NHL if they were with better franchises.
Steve Webb was a lousy hockey player. I don't want lousy hockey players here. His Folk Hero status for his illegal checks in the 1st round playoff loss where the team lost their best Dman and arguably best forward/captain to cheapshots not withstanding. I want good hockey players.
Get Aaron Asham back. Draft more Matt Martin types in the 2nd half of the draft. Bring in Dustin Brown or Milan Lucic. Hell even a Matthew Barnaby would be preferential over a scrub like Haley. Go back in time & get Tie Domi. Those are the types of players we need. not players like Steve Webb & Michael Haley who would not get a shot in the NHL if they were with better franchises.
Again trying too hard, but nice try anyway. We all know Steve Webb was a lousey hockey player no one is debating that but if your gonna sit here and say he had no impact on that Toronto playoff series you are in fact delusional and your credibility must be questioned. Again showing your igorence on this topic. Try getting others to agree with you that Steve Webb was not a factor in that Series.
Steve Webb may have sucked, but dude is a very rare breed of people that played far bigger than he was and played not to be known as a tough guy, but out of affection for the team and the fans. Theres a reason why he has a cult like following, because in that series when guys were getting maimed Steve Webb didn't mail it in. Steve Webb hit anything that moved.
Cizikas has actual skill. Theres a reason why his junior team basically just through him out there in every ******* situation and ran every play, offensively, defensively, or otherwise through him. Theres a reason why he's the leading scorer on a very tough team to beat in a league dominated by teams that feature mostly older players. Kid has real skill and game. Kid also has that weird ability to play on pure adrenaline.
I'm not denying he had an impact on the series vs the Leafs. I'm just saying I'd rather get that type of performance from someone who can also play the game.
Thought he played well amd will definitely be on the Island one day whether he's centering our third line or riding shotgun on the second line. The kid is good
Edit: does anyone potentially see mike richards lite?
It was great news seeing Cizikas get the call-up and even better seeing him play well in his debut. Here's hoping he's up to stay, can't be any worse than some of the veteran humps still on the roster. Rolston getting waived might mean Cizikas is here to stay, but I see Ullstrom is up now too. We'll see.
I'm not denying he had an impact on the series vs the Leafs. I'm just saying I'd rather get that type of performance from someone who can also play the game.
This is a clear example of what other posters and myself have been trying to get you to understand.
You pretty much just made our argument by admitting that a "bad, lousey or useless" player in Steve Webb had an impact on the 2002 season and especially in the Toronto series.
This is the point you just dont understand and you come off sounding very misinformed when it comes to this issue. The point that you seem to not "get" is that those "bad or useless" players as you like to call them HAVE and can make an impact on the game.
Your one of those guys that looks at stats and if a guy cant score goals then he has no impact on the game. There are intangables that those types of players bring to the team and they cant be measured by how many goals they score.
Steve Webb was a lousy hockey player. I don't want lousy hockey players here. His Folk Hero status for his illegal checks in the 1st round playoff loss where the team lost their best Dman and arguably best forward/captain to cheapshots not withstanding. I want good hockey players.
Get Aaron Asham back. Draft more Matt Martin types in the 2nd half of the draft. Bring in Dustin Brown or Milan Lucic. Hell even a Matthew Barnaby would be preferential over a scrub like Haley. Go back in time & get Tie Domi. Those are the types of players we need. not players like Steve Webb & Michael Haley who would not get a shot in the NHL if they were with better franchises.
I somewhat agree with you but from what I saw last season, Mike Haley is more than just a goon. He played some pretty good hockey in his little time with the Isles.
I somewhat agree with you but from what I saw last season, Mike Haley is more than just a goon. He played some pretty good hockey in his little time with the Isles.
The more knowledgeable posters already know this. Haley has 10 goals and 7 assists down in Bridgeport. He has played on the first line recently, he would be better then anyone on the most useless 4th line in the NHL , useless in every shape and form.
It's the pacifist-girl scout fans that dont like any player if he shows any heart, fire or passion and a desire to stick up for teammates. For some reason these pacifist fans dont understand theres more to an NHL team then just "skill guys who can score" you need those sandpaper type of players on your roster. Thats why just about every NHL team has a player like him on their roster.
Our team is so soft anyway and he would be better then any of the hacks they throw out there now. Atleast he will give this team much needed energy, physical pressence and stand up for his teammates. Martin should not be the only guys doing it.
The more knowledgeable posters already know this. Haley has 10 goals and 7 assists down in Bridgeport. He has played on the first line recently, he would be better then anyone on the most useless 4th line in the NHL , useless in every shape and form.
It's the pacifist-girl scout fans that dont like any player if he shows any heart, fire or passion and a desire to stick up for teammates. For some reason these pacifist fans dont understand theres more to an NHL team then just "skill guys who can score" you need those sandpaper type of players on your roster. Thats why just about every NHL team has a player like him on their roster.
Our team is so soft anyway and he would be better then any of the hacks they throw out there now. Atleast he will give this team much needed energy, physical pressence and stand up for his teammates. Martin should not be the only guys doing it.
Well, in the past few years, fans have experienced disasters such as Gillies and Mitch Fritz. These guys were simply horrible hockey players whose only value was fighting. So it makes sense that fans don't want any more goons. But people need to realize that Micheal Haley isn't simply a 'goon.'
