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03-14-2012, 01:23 PM
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Quick question: why didn't the Jackets play Carter on the pk?
probably for the same reason everytime the guy had something wrong with him he was held out of games, because they didn't want to risk him getting seriously hurt.

I seem to remember when his foot was injured there was quite a bit of press that the team was holding him out till he was fully healed from despite reports he likely could have played with the injury.

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03-14-2012, 02:17 PM
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Quick question: why didn't the Jackets play Carter on the pk?
It wasn't often, but he did see occassional time on the PK. I have wondered that question about Nash who is pretty dynamic on the PK. I wouldn't have played them together but both seem to get it and could have helped. I do think Coaches put the thought that they should save him/them for 5v5 and PP time. If d-men can play 25 min per game, so should forwards if needed. That's my opinion though.

Carter also had a few injuries that likely would have been more problematic if he were on the PK. His foot injury may not have liked the quick direction changes and short bursts. I'm just guessing but that may have played into it too.

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If d-men can play 25 min per game, so should forwards if needed. That's my opinion though.
The main reason they don't is that forwards typically have to skate a lot more and a lot harder than defensemen. The only forward anywhere near defensemen in time-on-ice is Kovalchuk, and that guy is a horse.

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03-15-2012, 08:22 AM
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The main reason they don't is that forwards typically have to skate a lot more and a lot harder than defensemen. The only forward anywhere near defensemen in time-on-ice is Kovalchuk, and that guy is a horse.
There is a reason there is 4 forward lines and only 3 defensive pairings.

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There is a reason there is 4 forward lines and only 3 defensive pairings.
Tradition? Lower minor leagues dress fewer players in a game, and international teams dress more.

I still think that the next two expansion teams can be offset with a reduction in the active roster for each team by 1 or 2.

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03-15-2012, 11:17 AM
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Tradition? Lower minor leagues dress fewer players in a game, and international teams dress more.
There aren't enough minutes for 8 defensive players.

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There aren't enough minutes for 8 defensive players.
I also argue there's not enough minutes for fourth-liners that lack NHL talent, but I don't see the NHLPA agreeing to scale back on roster sizes.

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03-15-2012, 01:27 PM
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I also argue there's not enough minutes for fourth-liners that lack NHL talent, but I don't see the NHLPA agreeing to scale back on roster sizes.
Maybe, but those minutes have to go somewhere. Rolling three lines for an entire season would create some major fatigue issues.

Intentional or not, it works almost perfect the way it is.

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03-15-2012, 09:59 PM
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Maybe, but those minutes have to go somewhere. Rolling three lines for an entire season would create some major fatigue issues.

Intentional or not, it works almost perfect the way it is.
Considering the number of injuries in the NHL I say it is less than ideal. But, increasing team sizes just means more specialists not less ice time for the top players.

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I also argue there's not enough minutes for fourth-liners that lack NHL talent, but I don't see the NHLPA agreeing to scale back on roster sizes.
Interesting.

AJ (yeah, i know) played both F and D in a game. Has any team purposely designed their fourth line to have 2 d-men so they can load the d if they need it? Is there something fundamentally wrong with doing that?

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Considering the number of injuries in the NHL I say it is less than ideal. But, increasing team sizes just means more specialists not less ice time for the top players.
Unless you are just carrying on a conversation, in which there was no point in quoting me (I think you quoted the wrong thing), I never commented on the "top players" and their minutes.

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Maybe, but those minutes have to go somewhere. Rolling three lines for an entire season would create some major fatigue issues.

Intentional or not, it works almost perfect the way it is.
Which then leads into another question of how dramatically fatigue would be affected by someone playing 24 minutes a night versus 22 minutes a night. Is it a case of the body truly not being able to recover that quickly, or a case of there being a perception that the body can't recover that quickly (leading to a "sheltering" of sorts?)

I'm sure people have grown tired of my comparisons with other sports, but a four-man pitching rotation used to be common in baseball, with several managers and teams having success with a four-man rotation even when others were going to a five-man. The thinking was that it was illogical to take 8 starts from your best pitcher, 8 starts from your second-best, 8 from your third, and 8 from your fourth and give them all to someone who couldn't crack the rotation. Arm trouble was no more common with a four-man than a five-man rotation as well.

In hockey, is it that different? First-line players lose minutes, second-line players lose minutes, third-liners lose minutes, and fourth-liners (generally easily replaceable players) scoop them all up. I have done very little research into this, but I'd be willing to bet that the idea of rolling four lines came into being with a team that had historical depth up front, most likely combined with an aging group of forwards who legitimately couldn't hold up.

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Considering the number of injuries in the NHL I say it is less than ideal. But, increasing team sizes just means more specialists not less ice time for the top players.
Where's that ice time go? If the first liners go from 24 to 22 minutes a night, who picks up those missing two minutes? It's not the second line, it's not the third line...it could be a smattering of players on special teams, but not at even strength.

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Interesting.

AJ (yeah, i know) played both F and D in a game. Has any team purposely designed their fourth line to have 2 d-men so they can load the d if they need it? Is there something fundamentally wrong with doing that?
Probably on a very short-term basis as a result of injuries up front and having roster issues that precluded calling up someone, and no, I don't think so.

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Which then leads into another question of how dramatically fatigue would be affected by someone playing 24 minutes a night versus 22 minutes a night.
Generally speaking it is the toll over time. Having said that, it's also individual based on conditioning levels. Minor injuries also play a part.

Eventually you do reach a point in which you have nothing else to give. So while you may be able to skate for another couple of shifts, they simply aren't effective. You will also not be thinking as clearly.

I could go into a whole book on conditioning, hitting walls, damage to the body, etc. However, as I've never played hockey at that level I couldn't say how that translates to the individual player. I will say, however, it doesn't take long watching the players to realize that the forwards, generally, skate longer and harder than those on defense.

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Great interview. I'm starting to think there is nothing to dislike about this guy.

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Pinch me. This guy can't be real. I'm looking forward to his next 6 years in Columbus. Let's build a winner and make this guy a key part of it. Loved the comments about being a horrible player at Michigan. Yeah...I'd remember that one too.

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Great interview. I'm starting to think there is nothing to dislike about this guy.
He can't sing and he didn't inherit the dancing gene.

Trade his ass for a bag of pucks!

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he didn't inherit the dancing gene.

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hey guys how has jackson worked for you folks so far?

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hey guys how has jackson worked for you folks so far?
I assume you mean Johnson - you can look back over the last few pages of this thread to get an idea. I would say that the consensus is that we are very happy with the trade.

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hey guys how has jackson worked for you folks so far?
The honeymoon period has been great. We haven't had a chance to suck his will to live yet. He's still wide eyed and motivated. It's kind of cute actually.


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The honeymoon period has been great. We haven't had a change to suck his will to live yet. He's still wide eyed and motivated. It's kind of cute actually.
Bwahahahahahaha!

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Good so far................however, he has yet to be "Jacketized"..................wait for it, it'll come......................

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Good so far................however, he has yet to be "Jacketized"..................wait for it, it'll come......................
That guy's trying...

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That guy's trying...
Union leadership will get him inline with typical production levels soon enough.

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