Fact: Red Wings have been superior for 20 seasons.
Fact: Red Wings have 4 cups and 6 SCF appearances, more wins, more playoff wins, more playoff rounds won, more HHOFer's on roster, more GF, less GA - better everything the past 20 seasons.
And if you want to look at this season only, it's 2-2 head-to-head and the Wings are up by a point on the Nucks, so it's close.
Detroit = proven playoff team
Canucks = not so much.
Even in the best season ever in Canucks history, the 1 real shot they had, they still didn't win the Cup.
The odds of them returning to the finals, after going there last seaso, one would assume are pretty slim.
The last time a team went to the finals back to back were the Wings and Pens in 08 and 09, and before that it was the Red Wings again in 97 and 98.
Sorry Nucks fans, but when it comes to the Red Wings it's a losing battle until proven otherwise
Win a cup.
What does the teams history have anything to do with which team is superior this season?
Fact: Red Wings have been superior for 20 seasons.
Fact: Red Wings have 4 cups and 6 SCF appearances, more wins, more playoff wins, more playoff rounds won, more HHOFer's on roster, more GF, less GA - better everything the past 20 seasons.
And if you want to look at this season only, it's 2-2 head-to-head and the Wings are up by a point on the Nucks, so it's close.
Detroit = proven playoff team
Canucks = not so much.
Even in the best season ever in Canucks history, the 1 real shot they had, they still didn't win the Cup.
The odds of them returning to the finals, after going there last seaso, one would assume are pretty slim.
The last time a team went to the finals back to back were the Wings and Pens in 08 and 09, and before that it was the Red Wings again in 97 and 98.
Sorry Nucks fans, but when it comes to the Red Wings it's a losing battle until proven otherwise
Win a cup.
Yes, the history in Detroit is very, very rich. Can't deny that.
However be careful about living in the past because we all know it can turn out to be like Edmonton, lots of history but very little future.
Last year the Canucks had the 1# power play, the most wins (by 5 on 2nd, and 7 on wings), least amount of losses (6 on wings), most goals a game, least goals against, 2nd best penalty kill, and the best faceoff.
That isn't an opinion. That's fact. Detroit can be a very, very dangerous team but you simply cannot count out the Canucks because they haven't won anything in 40 years and frankly the fact you said that really shows you're sour about the loss or your situation.
Be proud. Detroit has a lot going for them. Canucks fan have waited a long time to have this kind of dominance where we don't get blown out 8-1 from Detroit.
Fact: Red Wings have been superior for 20 seasons.
Fact: Red Wings have 4 cups and 6 SCF appearances, more wins, more playoff wins, more playoff rounds won, more HHOFer's on roster, more GF, less GA - better everything the past 20 seasons.
And if you want to look at this season only, it's 2-2 head-to-head and the Wings are up by a point on the Nucks, so it's close.
Detroit = proven playoff team
Canucks = not so much.
Even in the best season ever in Canucks history, the 1 real shot they had, they still didn't win the Cup.
The odds of them returning to the finals, after going there last seaso, one would assume are pretty slim.
The last time a team went to the finals back to back were the Wings and Pens in 08 and 09, and before that it was the Red Wings again in 97 and 98.
Sorry Nucks fans, but when it comes to the Red Wings it's a losing battle until proven otherwise
Win a cup.
Your long and extremely predictable post merely proves that Detroit has been a better team in the past. No one in Vancouver is trying to argue that, in case you're reading comprehension is lacking. But past cup winner = Past best team. The conversation is on this year, i.e. today. Please try to keep up.
Fact: Red Wings have been superior for 20 seasons.
Fact: Red Wings have 4 cups and 6 SCF appearances, more wins, more playoff wins, more playoff rounds won, more HHOFer's on roster, more GF, less GA - better everything the past 20 seasons.
And if you want to look at this season only, it's 2-2 head-to-head and the Wings are up by a point on the Nucks, so it's close.
Detroit = proven playoff team
Canucks = not so much.
Even in the best season ever in Canucks history, the 1 real shot they had, they still didn't win the Cup.
The odds of them returning to the finals, after going there last seaso, one would assume are pretty slim.
The last time a team went to the finals back to back were the Wings and Pens in 08 and 09, and before that it was the Red Wings again in 97 and 98.
Sorry Nucks fans, but when it comes to the Red Wings it's a losing battle until proven otherwise
Win a cup.
I feel bad for anyone who thinks the premise of that conversation had anything to do with the two team's history and past success. It must be terrible to be that dense.
What does the teams history have anything to do with which team is superior this season?
Who is ahead in the standings?
Both good teams ,if they play 10 games they would probably each go 5-5 in the regular season.
The icing was a tough break but all teams win games and lose them due to tough breaks.
I have to add the smart money would be on the Wings due to experience come April.
Your long and extremely predictable post merely proves that Detroit has been a better team in the past. No one in Vancouver is trying to argue that, in case you're reading comprehension is lacking. But past cup winner = Past best team. The conversation is on this year, i.e. today. Please try to keep up.
Seriously? They are first in the league. If you fail to see that they have kept the same high level of play for the last 20 years (including this year) then you need to try to keep up. Snapping their streak does not mean a thing other than one less point in the standings.
I'm just saying, you guys have a pretty good team and all, but all the cockiness is really un-warranted.
You guys have never won anything yet. Period.
I made a note to bring up this season as well in my post, I said they're 2-2 head to head and Detroit's up by a point. Both teams are having good seasons.
I made a point to bring up the fact that in my honest opinion, since the Canucks real shot at a Cup was last season, and since it's almost impossible for a team in the WC to go to the finals 2 years in a row - I just don't see the Canucks winning the Cup this year.
Look, that doesn't mean they can't, that just means in my opinion they won't lol.
Detroit on the other hand, went deep in 07, (3rd round), and in 08 and 09, and then went out early in the 2nd round the following years.
This season, with the emergence of Howard, and how well the rest of the team is performing, it just seems like the Wings are gearing up again. The pattern seems to be every 4 or so years.
That doesn't mean that from the West it can't finally be SJ's year to go to the Finals, and it doesn't mean that someone from the East could take the Cup after the West teams beat on each other.
You don't like my post, deal with it. It's the truth.
And kudos to the guy who says stop living in the past 20 seasons, and then narrows in on stats from ONLY last season. Yeah, last season. The one where it was the 1 shot the Canucks had to win it all and the Sedins wussied out of grinding it out along the boards in game 7 of the SCF.
Wings fan here coming in peace lol, lord knows Nuck fans like to get their shots in...
Saw the game from the midway point (10 mins left in the 2nd period and on)
Great game. If these two teams meet up in the playoffs we are all in for a great treat. Love the way the Canucks play, great team, well managed.
Just wanted to chime in on this current argument about who is best THIS season. One would only have to look as far as the standings to see that Detroit is in first, no? Not being snide/smug/whatever, I'm simply saying that so far this season, at this point in time, Detroit has the most points in the NHL. I don't see what is to argue about that. Canucks or Rangers could very well take over in the near future, though.
Anyway, good game, wish Datsyuk was healthy so we could see all of the best in action, but that is the way it goes.
I'm just saying, you guys have a pretty good team and all, but all the cockiness is really un-warranted.
You guys have never won anything yet. Period.
I made a note to bring up this season as well in my post, I said they're 2-2 head to head and Detroit's up by a point. Both teams are having good seasons.
I made a point to bring up the fact that in my honest opinion, since the Canucks real shot at a Cup was last season, and since it's almost impossible for a team in the WC to go to the finals 2 years in a row - I just don't see the Canucks winning the Cup this year.
Look, that doesn't mean they can't, that just means in my opinion they won't lol.
Detroit on the other hand, went deep in 07, (3rd round), and in 08 and 09, and then went out early in the 2nd round the following years.
This season, with the emergence of Howard, and how well the rest of the team is performing, it just seems like the Wings are gearing up again. The pattern seems to be every 4 or so years.
That doesn't mean that from the West it can't finally be SJ's year to go to the Finals, and it doesn't mean that someone from the East could take the Cup after the West teams beat on each other.
You don't like my post, deal with it. It's the truth.
And kudos to the guy who says stop living in the past 20 seasons, and then narrows in on stats from ONLY last season. Yeah, last season. The one where it was the 1 shot the Canucks had to win it all and the Sedins wussied out of grinding it out along the boards in game 7 of the SCF.
Good one, bro.
Savoring on your team's past glories won't help it get past the Sharks in the semi-finals.
Savoring on your team's past glories won't help it get past the Sharks in the semi-finals.
Just saying bro.
Realistically though, the Red Wings went to the 3rd round against a physical Ducks team in 07, went to the Finals in 08, and again in 09.....Realistically bro, you can't expect a team to reach the finals or even the 3rd round every year for like 6 years in a row......lol....
IMO, this season - after a few seasons of longer summers, and a few things going in the Wings favour, it seems and looks like they're ready for a long run again....know what i mean,
Entertaining game. Streak had to end sooner or later, and 23 straight home wins is pretty damn good. Now it's time to focus on staying atop the standings in the west.
Good game Nucks fans.
Good game to you guys too. This was more of the type of post I was expecting not all this crying over reffing. Very embarassing
Season series in power plays for the 4 game series was 20-9 for the Wings so I don't really understand how they could complain about reffing. Interestingly enough, no PP goals were scored by either team against each other this season
I made a note to bring up this season as well in my post, I said they're 2-2 head to head and Detroit's up by a point. Both teams are having good seasons.
I made a point to bring up the fact that in my honest opinion, since the Canucks real shot at a Cup was last season, and since it's almost impossible for a team in the WC to go to the finals 2 years in a row - I just don't see the Canucks winning the Cup this year.
You're absolutely right, the Canucks haven't won the Cup. With that said, if you're talking about this season, that fact isn't very relevant considering the fact that no one has won the Cup this season, yet. Also, bringing up that Detroit is up ahead by one point doesn't really mean much because the Canucks also have one less game played (so a better win percentage). All it shows is that both the Wings and the Canucks are two of the top teams in the West.
It isn't "almost impossible" - improbable in today's league, sure - to make it to the Cup finals 2 years in a row. You're wrong on some of your facts (and I know you mention WC in this post, but earlier you said the last time a team made it to the finals in back-to-back seasons was the Wings/Pens in 08-09 and before that 97-98). The Devils made it in 00 and 01; the Stars in 99 and 00; Wings in 97 and 98; Pens in 91-92; and then in the 80s and earlier the majority of Cup finals involved a team that was in the finals the season prior. Granted, there were less teams and the cap has evened the league up.
But anyway, it doesn't matter if the Canucks made it to the finals last season. This is obviously this season and the Canucks are still one of the top teams and contenders; their chances to make it to the finals are just as good as any other playoff team in the league including the Wings. Last season's playoffs shouldn't have much of an affect on this season's; they're probably much more mutually exclusive than you might think. And if anything, it'll motivate them more to make it back to the finals. But, once again it'll be much harder this season (for either/both the Wing and Canucks) as many teams have gotten much much better.
Yes, the history in Detroit is very, very rich. Can't deny that.
However be careful about living in the past because we all know it can turn out to be like Edmonton, lots of history but very little future.
Last year the Canucks had the 1# power play, the most wins (by 5 on 2nd, and 7 on wings), least amount of losses (6 on wings), most goals a game, least goals against, 2nd best penalty kill, and the best faceoff.
That isn't an opinion. That's fact. Detroit can be a very, very dangerous team but you simply cannot count out the Canucks because they haven't won anything in 40 years and frankly the fact you said that really shows you're sour about the loss or your situation.
Be proud. Detroit has a lot going for them. Canucks fan have waited a long time to have this kind of dominance where we don't get blown out 8-1 from Detroit.
Edmonton has very little future? Look at their young players/prospects..if anything they have one of the brightest futures of any team right now.
Wings fan here coming in peace lol, lord knows Nuck fans like to get their shots in...
Saw the game from the midway point (10 mins left in the 2nd period and on)
Great game. If these two teams meet up in the playoffs we are all in for a great treat. Love the way the Canucks play, great team, well managed.
Just wanted to chime in on this current argument about who is best THIS season. One would only have to look as far as the standings to see that Detroit is in first, no? Not being snide/smug/whatever, I'm simply saying that so far this season, at this point in time, Detroit has the most points in the NHL. I don't see what is to argue about that. Canucks or Rangers could very well take over in the near future, though.
Anyway, good game, wish Datsyuk was healthy so we could see all of the best in action, but that is the way it goes.
Of course you love the way the Canucks play, they copied Detroits puck possesion game
Secondly, Canucks have played a game less and have a better winning percentage (I think Rags may too, I'm too lazy to check) so its silly to say that the Wings have been the best team just because they've had more scheduled games.
Anyways, the season series was a tie, both the Canucks and Wings won a home game and won a shootout on the road (Datsyuk missed a game, Kelser missed a game). Seems pretty even to me. Only way will be to settle it will be the playoffs. The Canucks don't seem to care about the president's trophy based on their play the last month and it doesn't matter a whole lot based on the result in last years finals. I only think it would be important for the Canucks to finish ahead of the Wings because the Wings are a very strong home team.
You're absolutely right, the Canucks haven't won the Cup. With that said, if you're talking about this season, that fact isn't very relevant considering the fact that no one this season has won the Cup, yet. Also, bringing up that Detroit is up ahead by one point doesn't really mean much because the Canucks also have one less game played (so a better win percentage). All it shows is that both the Wings and the Canucks are two of the top teams in the West.
It isn't "almost impossible" - improbable in today's league, sure - to make it to the Cup finals 2 years in a row. You're wrong on some of your facts (and I know you mention WC in this post, but earlier you said the last time a team made it to the finals in back-to-back seasons was the Wings/Pens in 08-09 and before that 97-98). The Devils made it in 00 and 01; the Stars in 99 and 00; Wings in 97 and 98; Pens in 91-92; and then in the 80s and earlier the majority of Cup finals involved a team that was in the finals the season prior. Granted, there were less teams and the cap has evened the league up.
But anyway, it doesn't matter if the Canucks made it to the finals last season. This is obviously this season and the Canucks are still one of the top teams and contenders; their chances to make it to the finals are just as good as any other playoff team in the league including the Wings. Last season's playoffs shouldn't have much of an affect on this season's; they're probably much more mutually exclusive than you might think. And if anything, it'll motivate them more to make it back to the finals. But, once again it'll be much harder this season (for either the Wing and Canucks) as many teams have gotten much much better.
Well, you're right because of Detroit and Pittsburgh, but... Gary Bettman has other plans. He hands out cups like he does All Star games. Everyone gets their turn so the fans can come out and celebrate hockey and then you have to wait until your next turn, meanwhile probably not making the playoffs the following year. Like Carolina/Edmonton finaling and then I believe not making it the following year, Ducks won the cup and then missed the playoffs I believe, etc. Wonky league he is running.
How many consecutive games have the Wings played at home without being defeated in regulation time? What is the record? I suppose the OT loss prevents them from being thought of as approaching that record but it does say something about these old warriors.
You just know someone's going to make this out to be a sign of disrespect. As much as I know that's not the case, a part of me just cringed at the eventuality of people blowing this out of proportion.
Meh, don't worry about it. Roberto Luongo could blow his nose and it would be blown out of proportion and over analyzed by tens of thousands. It's only when everyone stops caring so much about every little move he makes that I'll start to get worried. As it is, it's just mounting proof that he's one of, if not the top goalie in the world.
Seriously I have no idea why some Wings fans hate the Canucks so much apart being the latest meme. It's not helped by Nucks trolls here just baiting them on........
It's a shame both fan bases can't take a page out their respective teams. The play each other hard, clean, exciting hockey whistle to whistle with little animosity. Both sides seem friendly terms. You'd think if the teams are on good terms the fans could learn a thing.
It would have been nice to beat you with Dats in the lineup to cut off that excuse but I'm sure the wings won a few against depleted sides and they counted.
Wings your streak is still going as far as I'm concerned but it was an undefeated streak. IMHO shootouts are crap win or lose and don't count for jack especially compared to historical records. Undefeated in 24 hockey games (shoots aren't hockey) at home and still going is brilliant and can get better.
