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i think i'd pony that up if he were available.
$6.8 is pretty steep but he does chew up a lot of minutes and its only for 2 years, if it works out he could be re-signed i suppose.
doesnt sound like he's going anywhere though, certainly not at the deadline anyway.
Thats fine he does have a big cap hit, but we just can't replace what he does for us from within and out side of the potential of Suter going to free agency there isn't anyone we can sign that can replace him.
To Calgary- Cory Schneider, Jordan Schroeder, Keith ballard
Vancouver gets:
D-man that will push them over the top and give them the best D-core they've ever had.
Sucks giving the Flames their goalie for the future
Calgary gets:
Replacement for Kipper who is nearing the end of his career (although he still plays lights out)
They could even trade him and bring in huge assets and instantly set their future.
Jordan Schroeder- Putting up more points than Cody Hodgson in the AHL and trains with Zach Parise in the summers (comparisons have been made between the two players).
Keith Ballard has to go for Cap reasons
The only problem I have from the Nucks side is mark is a left D-man, which we have way to many of, but his skill might be enough compensation to make it work.
Flames fans would you do this? From what I gather on Giordano, he is pretty much your stud on defence so if you feel value is off my mistake.
Lastly, before you blast me for the "inter-conference trade". Canucks are looking to win now, and the Flames are not. We set Calgary for the future, which quite frankly i don't give a **** about if we win the cup. And Calgary sets us for the now, which they shouldn't give a **** about.
To Calgary- Cory Schneider, Jordan Schroeder, Keith ballard
Vancouver gets:
D-man that will push them over the top and give them the best D-core they've ever had.
Sucks giving the Flames their goalie for the future
Calgary gets:
Replacement for Kipper who is nearing the end of his career (although he still plays lights out)
They could even trade him and bring in huge assets and instantly set their future.
Jordan Schroeder- Putting up more points than Cody Hodgson in the AHL and trains with Zach Parise in the summers (comparisons have been made between the two players).
Keith Ballard has to go for Cap reasons
The only problem I have from the Nucks side is mark is a left D-man, which we have way to many of, but his skill might be enough compensation to make it work.
Flames fans would you do this? From what I gather on Giordano, he is pretty much your stud on defence so if you feel value is off my mistake.
Lastly, before you blast me for the "inter-conference trade". Canucks are looking to win now, and the Flames are not. We set Calgary for the future, which quite frankly i don't give a **** about if we win the cup. And Calgary sets us for the now, which they shouldn't give a **** about.
We have Irving(not saying Irving=Cory) but no future #1 center switch Schneider with Hodgson and we add in Jones or Moss to replace Hodgson now.
I don't really understand the Flames fans perspective on this. It has been clear the past 3-4 seasons that they didn't have the skill necessary to win a cup, but they have continued to move picks to acquire older players (not old players, but older then the picks would have been when used). I would look at the Colorado model and try something similar. 2 years with poor record and high draft picks - those 2 years brought in Duchene and Landeskog. Draft well - Stastny, ROR. Keep a couple Vets to help the young guys and reward loyalty - Hejduk. Make trades to fill needs - Downie, O'Byrne, Johnson (who also got them Siemens), McClement, Winnik. Keep salary's low so you have flexibility and when you think your 1 or 2 pieces away from contending you can spend big on a free agent or trade for salary (Colorado isn't there yet so this step hasn't happened)
The Flames have so much money tied up with players that there isn't much flexibility, drafting has been average at best and picks were moved out on Vet players without the success as a result. A rebuild doesn't mean you have to trade away everybody over 25 but sometimes you have to trade away players who won't be around to help the team when they are truly competitive.
If someone is going to offer a 1st + for Jokinen, I think that's a deal that needs to be made. I think that Bourque could have been used to bring in a younger player and a pick, not a 6 million dollar, under performing player in a deal where you added a pick. Regehr - I like that they got Butler, that's a move in the right direction, I don't like that they gave up a 2nd for Buffalo to take Kotalik, they could have bought him out, or waived him themselves. Hannan, Sarich, Stempniak, Moss should all be moved out for whatever they can get (best deal obviously) and give some of their young guys NHL experience and see what you've got.
I don't really understand the Flames fans perspective on this. It has been clear the past 3-4 seasons that they didn't have the skill necessary to win a cup, but they have continued to move picks to acquire older players (not old players, but older then the picks would have been when used). I would look at the Colorado model and try something similar. 2 years with poor record and high draft picks - those 2 years brought in Duchene and Landeskog. Draft well - Stastny, ROR. Keep a couple Vets to help the young guys and reward loyalty - Hejduk. Make trades to fill needs - Downie, O'Byrne, Johnson (who also got them Siemens), McClement, Winnik. Keep salary's low so you have flexibility and when you think your 1 or 2 pieces away from contending you can spend big on a free agent or trade for salary (Colorado isn't there yet so this step hasn't happened)
The Flames have so much money tied up with players that there isn't much flexibility, drafting has been average at best and picks were moved out on Vet players without the success as a result. A rebuild doesn't mean you have to trade away everybody over 25 but sometimes you have to trade away players who won't be around to help the team when they are truly competitive.
If someone is going to offer a 1st + for Jokinen, I think that's a deal that needs to be made. I think that Bourque could have been used to bring in a younger player and a pick, not a 6 million dollar, under performing player in a deal where you added a pick. Regehr - I like that they got Butler, that's a move in the right direction, I don't like that they gave up a 2nd for Buffalo to take Kotalik, they could have bought him out, or waived him themselves. Hannan, Sarich, Stempniak, Moss should all be moved out for whatever they can get (best deal obviously) and give some of their young guys NHL experience and see what you've got.
This isn't entirely true we have acquired youth and we moved next years second in order to make sure we could get Ramo's rights. We have tons of flexibility as many of the vets contracts end this year.
This isn't entirely true we have acquired youth and we moved next years second in order to make sure we could get Ramo's rights. We have tons of flexibility as many of the vets contracts end this year.
Youth, maybe - good youth a different story. Byron and Connelly aren't going to quicken the Flames re-tool. I like the Comeau pick up off waivers.
Ramo - well we'll see if he comes back to NA and if he's developed into a good goalie. I have my doubts but I haven't seen him play for a few years so I can't say for sure
Didn't you move this years 2nd with Regehr or was that last years 2nd?
1. Calgary's point totals are better than Edmonton's (have been for years)
2. Edmonton's organizational/prospect depth is to Costco as the Flames is to 7-11.
3. A top 3 pick is preferable to a 10-15 pick.
4. Bartschi cannot carry (nor will he ever carry) Eberle's stick bag
search your feelings luke you know it to be true
I agree with you points, but saying Bartschi isn't as good as Eberle doesn't mean he isn't a very solid prospect. He's better than Eberle was at the same age, I just don't think his NHL game translates as well. IMO, if he can avoid injuries he's a lock as a top 6 winger and has a shot at being a 1st line type player.
I don't really understand the Flames fans perspective on this. It has been clear the past 3-4 seasons that they didn't have the skill necessary to win a cup, but they have continued to move picks to acquire older players (not old players, but older then the picks would have been when used). I would look at the Colorado model and try something similar. 2 years with poor record and high draft picks - those 2 years brought in Duchene and Landeskog. Draft well - Stastny, ROR. Keep a couple Vets to help the young guys and reward loyalty - Hejduk. Make trades to fill needs - Downie, O'Byrne, Johnson (who also got them Siemens), McClement, Winnik. Keep salary's low so you have flexibility and when you think your 1 or 2 pieces away from contending you can spend big on a free agent or trade for salary (Colorado isn't there yet so this step hasn't happened)
The Flames have so much money tied up with players that there isn't much flexibility, drafting has been average at best and picks were moved out on Vet players without the success as a result. A rebuild doesn't mean you have to trade away everybody over 25 but sometimes you have to trade away players who won't be around to help the team when they are truly competitive.
If someone is going to offer a 1st + for Jokinen, I think that's a deal that needs to be made. I think that Bourque could have been used to bring in a younger player and a pick, not a 6 million dollar, under performing player in a deal where you added a pick. Regehr - I like that they got Butler, that's a move in the right direction, I don't like that they gave up a 2nd for Buffalo to take Kotalik, they could have bought him out, or waived him themselves. Hannan, Sarich, Stempniak, Moss should all be moved out for whatever they can get (best deal obviously) and give some of their young guys NHL experience and see what you've got.
Do you even know what you are talking about? In the past couple years how many moves have the Flames made to get older at the expense of draft picks? And how many of those were made by Feaster?
In the past 2 seasons the Flames have made the following trades:
- White & Sutter for Babchuk & Kostopoulos (Babchuk and White are the same age, so we got older in exchanged Sutter for Kostopoulos, but let's be realistic age or not Kosto is 10x the player Sutter is, but it was a Darryl Sutter trade and not a Feaster trade)
- a 7th in 2011 for Freddy Modin (Oh noes a 7th rounder, the future is now bleak!!!!!)
- Tim Erixon and a 5th in 2011 for Roman Horak and two 2nds in 2011 (Hand was forced by Erixon and agent, but Horak and Erixon are the same age and we added a pick as well as moved up in the draft)
- Robyn Regehr, Ales Kotalik, 2nd in 2012 for Paul Byron & Chris Butler (we got much younger in this deal and relinquished the pick to get them to take Kotalik's contract)
- Keith Seabrook for Jordan Henry (Henry is 2 years older, but its a minor league deal where both are long shots to see the NHL)
- 5th in 2012 for Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond (ill advised trade for sure, but he is only 26 years old and it was only a 5th)
- Daymond Langkow for Lee Stempniak (we got considerably younger)
- Brendan Mikkelsson for Blair Jones (Jones is less than a year older)
- Rene Bourque, Patrick Holland and a 2nd in 2013 for Mike Cammalleri, Karri Ramo and a 5th in 2012 (Cammy is a little younger than Bourque, Ramo is older than Holland but has a much better shot of playing in the NHL, we swapped a 2nd for a 5th because of the difference in skill between Cammy/Ramo and Bourque/Holland)
- Brendan Mikkelsson for Brian Connelly (we got much younger)
- John Negrin for Akim Aliu (same age, but minor league deal)
wow, that's a whole lot of deals to get older players with picks.
and drafting for the Flames has improved in the last couple drafts as they are finally putting more money into scouting. In the last 2 drafts the Flames picked Max Reinhart, Joey Leach, John Ramage, Bill Arnold, Michael Ferland and Patrick Holland in 2010 (not bad with no 1st or 2nd) and Sven Baertschi, Markus Granlund, Tyler Wotherspoon, Johnny Gaudreau and Laurent Broissoit in 2011. It might not be the best picks in teh NHL the past 2 drafts but thaose by all accounts appear to be some very solid picks.
seriously you need to pay attention a little closer
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Youth, maybe - good youth a different story. Byron and Connelly aren't going to quicken the Flames re-tool. I like the Comeau pick up off waivers.
Ramo - well we'll see if he comes back to NA and if he's developed into a good goalie. I have my doubts but I haven't seen him play for a few years so I can't say for sure
Didn't you move this years 2nd with Regehr or was that last years 2nd?
That was this years second but we had 2 2nds last year which is why I think Feaster felt ok dealing this years. Byron is becoming a very good player several scouts/ former coaches have said that even tho he isn't putting up big numbers in the ahl he is constantly the best player on the ice he is very underrated. Connelly might not be anything but we got him for Morrison who can't play any more. We also got Butler who is a young top 4 d-man. Ramo has said he doesn't want to be a backup to a young goalie but he may have shot at the number 1 job in a few years but Kipper is his hero which could be the main thing that brings him here.
For a 28-30th pick? No thanks. Glencross and Jokinen have much more value than posters on HF think. Iginla, Tanguay and JBo have much less value than people on HF think. Glencross and Jokinen are so underrated it's ridiculous.
these two things. it just isn't feasible (Feasterable?). there isn't really much of any value to sell of in a rebuild outside of Iggy and Kipper. If they're not going, good luck.
I agree, I think you could get something decent (Low 1st and average prospect) for Jokinen. We likely don't want to move Giordano, Glencross or Bouwmeester as they're young enough to see the other side of a rebuild. Iggy and Kipper have value, but beyond that I don't think we get more than a 2nd round pick for any of our players over 30 and some are (Stajan, Tanguay) undesirable contracts.
Feaster is an idiot. Should have blown this team up a long time ago. They never stood a chance of doing any damage in the playoffs. Probably wont even make the playoffs.
I think Feaster's hands are tied by ownership on the Iggy/Kipper front. Those types of decisions are made at the ownership level. You have to keep in mind that Iggy is without a doubt the greatest Flame in the history of the franchise and Kipper is without a doubt the greatest goalie in franchise history. They sell a lot of tickets, merchandise and advertising revenue. I think you're right from a hockey perspective, but wrong from a business perspective. The owners look at things from the latter.
If he waived his NTC is JBO a guy who could be moved?
I seem to remember some talk last year but honestly have no idea if its a non starter etc,
so whats up with jBo?
and if he's moveable what would you expect and need as a return?
Who do you cheer for? That helps when asked what we'd like as a return. I think he could be moved, but only in the offseason. We only have two bonafide top 4 guys on this team, if someone wants Gio or Bowmeester now they'd probably have to blow us away. It's likely less steep in the summer. Unless of course Feaster wasn't blowing blue smoke on Thursday.
Keep this thread to speculation Feaster may blow up the Flames. If you must make comparisons to other franchises, make sure it is in proper context and of a valid nature.
In other words, we do not need another Edmonton-Calgary rivalry thread.
And what did young Comrie, Horcoff and Hemsky get you? I remember hearing about the "bright future" back then too.
I'll take the annually competitive team over a "potential future team" any day.
I'm not sure if you're serious, but when were any ONE of those players as highly regarded as the Oilers' current youngsters? Let alone 3, with likely another to come in the draft.
I don't know if you were paying attention, but the Flames haven't been competitive the last couple years.
I'm not sure if you're serious, but when were any ONE of those players as highly regarded as the Oilers' current youngsters? Let alone 3, with likely another to come in the draft.
I don't know if you were paying attention, but the Flames haven't been competitive the last couple years.
Considering there were threads a few years ago about Hemsky being a building block or better than D.Sedin or a better play maker than P.Kane I think you guys definitely hyped Hemsky as much as the big 3.
Since everyone is saying we need to trade Kipper what do you think his value is?
That was this years second but we had 2 2nds last year which is why I think Feaster felt ok dealing this years. Byron is becoming a very good player several scouts/ former coaches have said that even tho he isn't putting up big numbers in the ahl he is constantly the best player on the ice he is very underrated. Connelly might not be anything but we got him for Morrison who can't play any more. We also got Butler who is a young top 4 d-man. Ramo has said he doesn't want to be a backup to a young goalie but he may have shot at the number 1 job in a few years but Kipper is his hero which could be the main thing that brings him here.
I've been a seasons ticket holder for the Heat the past 3 seasons so I know the system fairly well. Byron has had some good games but he's had games where he's been physically eliminated from play as well. The Erixon deal was bad luck for the Flames. The Butler deal was a bad one IMO - you lost Regehr who would sure be helpful now and a 2nd. Butler isn't worth the downgrade in defence and the loss of a 2nd - the dump of Kotalik shouldn't come at the expense of team quality, especially if you're commited to making the playoffs.
Who do you cheer for? That helps when asked what we'd like as a return. I think he could be moved, but only in the offseason. We only have two bonafide top 4 guys on this team, if someone wants Gio or Bowmeester now they'd probably have to blow us away. It's likely less steep in the summer. Unless of course Feaster wasn't blowing blue smoke on Thursday.
Ottawa, although i was really asking what your organizational needs were if you were moving guys out since i dont really expect you to know what Ottawa may have to offer that would suit you.
Considering there were threads a few years ago about Hemsky being a building block or better than D.Sedin or a better play maker than P.Kane I think you guys definitely hyped Hemsky as much as the big 3.
Since everyone is saying we need to trade Kipper what do you think his value is?
I'm really not sure what Kipper's value is. He was good last year, great this year, but was bad the year before. A late 1st and good (not great) prospect would be my guess. Maybe more if you took a bad contract (Bryzgalov type) back.
Considering there were threads a few years ago about Hemsky being a building block or better than D.Sedin or a better play maker than P.Kane I think you guys definitely hyped Hemsky as much as the big 3.
Since everyone is saying we need to trade Kipper what do you think his value is?
Considering there were threads a few years ago about Hemsky being a building block or better than D.Sedin or a better play maker than P.Kane I think you guys definitely hyped Hemsky as much as the big 3.
Since everyone is saying we need to trade Kipper what do you think his value is?
So it's based on a thread one guy made a few years ago?
Hemsky has been the team's best player for a few years now, so he definitely deserved some hype. But he was never thought of as franchise player material.
